Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#148789 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
But it's not real!
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IPU is not real! Heathen!

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#148790 Jan 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And Hitler turned his back on his faith and his religion and because an atheist. Just as many of you have done.
Nope, not according to him, not according to those close to him, not according to the catholic church

What he did he did with the teaching, benefit and approval of his faith and church just as so many other despotic dictators have done and are doing.

If course we have been here before and I have shown you reams and reams of contemporary documentation to validate the fact that Hitler was and remained true to his faith.

However there are some godbots such as yourself for attempt to distance yourselves from his church approved christian actions by lying. Such a good christian trait and you don't even see the hypocrisy
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148791 Jan 18, 2013
Prove it!
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>IPU is not real! Heathen!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#148792 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Prove it!
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Damned heretics everywhere...

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#148793 Jan 18, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Ok enough teasing you with definitions of your faith.
There also exists a atheism, sometimes called "strong" or "explicit" atheism. With this type, the atheist explicitly denies the existence of any gods — making a strong claim which will deserve support at some point. Some atheists do this and others may do this with regards to certain specific gods but not with others. Thus, a person may lack belief in one god, but deny the existence of another god.
Atheists and freethinkers have defined atheism relatively consistently over the past couple of centuries. Although a few have focused solely on the sense of "strong" atheism, many more have differentiated between "weak" and "strong" atheism.
Atheism is no faith
Pat

Granby, CT

#148794 Jan 18, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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Atheism is no faith
If you simply reject the theist claim of a god because you feel it is unproven then you are correct, it is no faith, it is the rejection of it. However, if you claim there is no god then you are in the same boat as the theist, making a claim you can not support with proof.

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#148795 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Did you want me to "deal" with it?
I will now.
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Have you ever heard of "humoring"? How about "playing the Devil's advocate"?
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Would you apply that line of reasoning to all claims made that are argued against? Or would this be a case of special pleading?
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This is called an argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy.
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This is called a strawman argument, a logical fallacy.
You have to apply this reasoning to all claims of course.

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#148796 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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No. This is another argument from ignorance. All you need is two people to have contradictory moral beliefs to demonstrate the subjective nature of morality between those two individuals. On the larger scale of the human race, the various contradictory moral systems demonstrate the subjective nature of human morality.
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Morality is subjective, because it is subject to the person making moral distinctions. It is subject to the person's upbringing and other factors.
You define things by relating to other things.
You are equivocating here.

But let us follow your argument to its logical conclusion.

If morality is subjective, then there is no absolute "good" or "evil".

There is nothing absolutely "wrong", because two subjective opinions on morality, would both have equal authority.

So with that in mind, nothing is wrong of itself.

Do you understand where your own reasoning leads you, have you ever considered and thought through what you are saying?

If morality is a merely subjective construct of society, then nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right.

This is your argument.

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#148797 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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This is called a strawman argument, a logical fallacy.
So you don't think that we are all here due to an accident in the universe?

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#148798 Jan 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I don't think you understood the analogy... to demonstrate the absurdity of taking extraordinary claims seriously that are presented without any objectively verifiable evidence.
What separates the quality of evidence for your god from that of any number of other gods?
You believe in a god don't you? Why?
Very simple.

God has to be absolute in all things by His very nature.

That being the case, all transcendant knowledge proceeds from God and is accountable because of Gods absolute nature.

The gods you refer to are not able to meet that measure.

This is why your analogy is a false analogy...

It does not matter how much you deny it, it doesn't change the fact you have not been able to reason around this simple problem.

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#148799 Jan 18, 2013
madscot wrote:
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I don't rely on Dawkins. The FSM is the alpha and Omega for infinity.
This is an arbitrary claim based on your own opinion.

Can you back this up with reasoning?

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#148800 Jan 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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No, it is a logical position.
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No, society dictates human morality.
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Morality is not based on your god. You may claim to base your morality on your god, but you are wrong.
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Anyone stating what is moral and what is not, is basing that on current standards mixed with the moral standards of where and when they grew up.
So if society dictates human morality, there are times when it is acceptable for adults to have sex with children?

That is essentially your argument taken to its logical conclusion.

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#148801 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
christ you're thick.
I said I can swear and be right at the same time.
No one should have the right not to be offended.
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Is that an absolute moral position you are presenting here?

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#148802 Jan 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Clem lady can you show me where he made this racist joke perhaps page and post number so it can be properly reported?
Thanks so much :)
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It's on the prove a God thread, one was about black people and the other was when he called Muslims towel-heads and i said to him i'm a sikh, we wear turbans more than Muslims do, but he told me not to get offended.

I'll try and find the page number, liberty guy!:-)

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#148803 Jan 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Racist. ;)
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What the hell does -ist mean?

OMG, OMG, OMG, LOOK AT THE SNOW, THINKING!!

Tide, keep your clothes on, it's too cold!!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#148806 Jan 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Limits of Archaeology
(1) little of what was made or written in antiquity survives to this day;
(2) few of the ancient sites have been surveyed and a number have not even been found;
(3) probably fewer than 2 percent of the known sites have been meaningfully excavated;
(4) few of these have been more than scratched; and
(5) only a fraction of the fraction that have been excavated have been published and data made available to the scholarly world.
Why would the Egyptians keep a record of their greatest humiliation? They most likely wouldn't. Even today, historians are still debating what happens in our 2 works wars. If we were writing everything on paper & stone, do you think it'd still be around in 3500 years?
Here, read all about it, if you can with an open mind:
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/08/...
What number of ancient sites haven't been found?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#148807 Jan 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Very simple.
God has to be absolute in all things by His very nature.
That being the case, all transcendant knowledge proceeds from God and is accountable because of Gods absolute nature.
The gods you refer to are not able to meet that measure.
This is why your analogy is a false analogy...
It does not matter how much you deny it, it doesn't change the fact you have not been able to reason around this simple problem.
Your god's not able to meet that measure, either.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148808 Jan 18, 2013
I associate "accident" with sentience.
mtimber wrote:
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So you don't think that we are all here due to an accident in the universe?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148809 Jan 18, 2013
Why?
mtimber wrote:
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Is that an absolute moral position you are presenting here?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148810 Jan 18, 2013
It's great, isn't it?
Built the bottom half of that snowman yet?
Clementia wrote:
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What the hell does -ist mean?
OMG, OMG, OMG, LOOK AT THE SNOW, THINKING!!
Tide, keep your clothes on, it's too cold!!

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