Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#148668 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Lack of belief in God is a moral position as that belief dictates human moral reactions to the idea of God...
Why would atheistic secular humanism claim an absolute moral standard as you stated about genocide?
Lack of belief in god is a rational position. There is no evidence to support the existence of any god.

Secular humanism is not atheistic. It just rejects religious dogma. You can believe in any number of gods and still be a secular humanist. And it doesn't claim any moral absolutes. I don't think such a thing exists.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148669 Jan 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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First of all, irregardless isn't a real word, except maybe to the urban dictionary.
Second, I've already shown you how your thoughts & ideas of what salvation is are flawed. I don't care to do it again.
This is what I mean by I tire of repeating myself over and over again to you people.
So again, you got nuthin. You still haven't refuted what I said:

If one truly repents and accepts Jesus as their savior before they die, they are saved, regardless (thanks!) of what they may have done in their life (unless they blasphemed against the Holy Spirit).

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#148670 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Of course belief dictates morals...
Your presuppositions define your morality.
Arguing there is no God, argues there is no ultimate standard for morality...
How?

And what would be an example of an ultimate standard for morality?

You're basically saying that if it were proven to you that god didn't exist, your morals would vanish.

That's pretty scary.

You'd better stick with god.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148671 Jan 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You can be equal if you dump the misogynist bible.
<quoted text>
In your opinion.....

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148672 Jan 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Limits of Archaeology
(1) little of what was made or written in antiquity survives to this day;
(2) few of the ancient sites have been surveyed and a number have not even been found;
(3) probably fewer than 2 percent of the known sites have been meaningfully excavated;
(4) few of these have been more than scratched; and
(5) only a fraction of the fraction that have been excavated have been published and data made available to the scholarly world.
Why would the Egyptians keep a record of their greatest humiliation? They most likely wouldn't. Even today, historians are still debating what happens in our 2 works wars. If we were writing everything on paper & stone, do you think it'd still be around in 3500 years?
Here, read all about it, if you can with an open mind:
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/08/...
How did 2-3 million people travel out of Egypt and leave almost no trace? Did they float and have no possessions? I mean, this is a major story of the Bible, lots and lots of people have searched for evidence, which would confirm what the Bible said. They all have come up with nada. I find that telling.

It's akin to the flood story: where is the evidence for the mass migration of every animal on Earth from a single point? Didn't any of them breed or die on their way to wherever they were supposed to go? How did the land animals on Australia get there? Did God provide a special unmentioned ferry for them? Give me a break.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148673 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Lack of belief in God is a moral position as that belief dictates human moral reactions to the idea of God...
Lack of belief is not a belief, and does not dictate moral reactions to the idea of God or gods.
mtimber wrote:
Why would atheistic secular humanism claim an absolute moral standard as you stated about genocide?
I don't think secular humanism claims absolute moral standards of any kind, as there is no mechanism at this time to make those kinds of claims. Secular Humanism is a voluntary ethical guide that promotes subjective values. You either agree to the values or you don't. There is no authority involved, that I'm aware of.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148674 Jan 17, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>In your opinion.....
The fact that the Bible is misogynistic is not an opinion. Nor is the fact that it is also racist, homophobic, supports slavery, genocide, incest, and ethnic cleansing. It's all in there.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148675 Jan 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So....
You're saying I'm wrong that my words show I'm an atheist?
Call it whatever u want. You can't be the follower of the Jesus I know. Either there is more than 1 Jesus or we have a totally different understanding of Jesus. Jesus tried to spread peace but all u people do is spread hate, u just can't be the follower of Jesus who said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Even Jesus, the son of God, didn't pick up the stone, even he considered himself below God, but u people think u r above God.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#148676 Jan 17, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
How?
And what would be an example of an ultimate standard for morality?
You're basically saying that if it were proven to you that god didn't exist, your morals would vanish.
That's pretty scary.
You'd better stick with god.
He's making the same kind of arguments as William Lane Craig. Maybe he's a fan.

This kind of troll is good for a few days fun.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148677 Jan 17, 2013
Aura... I watched that documentary, it was bullsh*t!!!:-)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148678 Jan 17, 2013
wilderide wrote:
How did 2-3 million people travel out of Egypt and leave almost no trace? Did they float and have no possessions? I mean, this is a major story of the Bible, lots and lots of people have searched for evidence, which would confirm what the Bible said. They all have come up with nada. I find that telling.
I find it telling that evidence is yet to be discovered. Those millions had only clothes, carts, food, etc & had nothing that would withstand 3,500 years.

Jesus confirmed the story of exodus Himself.

Absence if evidence is not evidence of absence.

Remember that the world was flat until proven otherwise.
It's akin to the flood story: where is the evidence for the mass migration of every animal on Earth from a single point? Didn't any of them breed or die on their way to wherever they were supposed to go? How did the land animals on Australia get there? Did God provide a special unmentioned ferry for them? Give me a break.
"where is the evidence for the mass migration of every animal on Earth from a single point?"

See? Your idea of the stories of the bible are wrong. Never did "every animal migrate"...

Do you need a new lesson on the great flood? I can help you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148679 Jan 17, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Call it whatever u want. You can't be the follower of the Jesus I know. Either there is more than 1 Jesus or we have a totally different understanding of Jesus. Jesus tried to spread peace but all u people do is spread hate, u just can't be the follower of Jesus who said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Even Jesus, the son of God, didn't pick up the stone, even he considered himself below God, but u people think u r above God.
In what way have I demonstrated that I think I'm above God?

In what way have I demonstrated that I spread hate?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#148680 Jan 17, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Lack of belief in god is a rational position. There is no evidence to support the existence of any god.
Secular humanism is not atheistic. It just rejects religious dogma. You can believe in any number of gods and still be a secular humanist. And it doesn't claim any moral absolutes. I don't think such a thing exists.
Secularist, yes ... Humanist, no. "Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity."

Secularism however, is well supported by theists of numerous religions.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#148681 Jan 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Remember that the world was flat until proven otherwise.

Do you need a new lesson on the great flood? I can help you.
The world used to be flat?

If that's what you think, then no thanks, I'd rather not have a lesson from you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148682 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The fact you are asking for evidence, means that you inherently strive to ascertain absolutes...
You only deny them because deep down you know where they come from, you are just denying the obvious because the truth is not something you can face up to.
Um, what? Do you check what you type before posting the comment? My continual quest for evidence and data shows that I know there are no absolutes, otherwise I'd take whatever is known now and stop learning ... like what you seem to have done.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148683 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber, now, again I ask, name one thing that is an absolute, anything that is not in a book of myths and legends.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#148684 Jan 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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In what way have I demonstrated that I think I'm above God?
In what way have I demonstrated that I spread hate?
u r ignorant, u r mean, racist, u say things and don't even understand u r hurting someone's feelings. You would probably get more hurt if i called God or Jesus names then if i called Catcher names and started picking on him. You would probably laugh at his pain.

Why do u people feel the need to defend God, when he is capable of defending himself? Why can't u see the pain of human-beings, but u believe u feel the pain of God? You love God but u don't love his creation! You walk around with your eyes closed, but u think u can see!

Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148685 Jan 17, 2013
That was factual, not emotional.
mtimber wrote:
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You need to learn to control your emotional outbursts.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148686 Jan 17, 2013
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 2:12

So STFU or do the right thing: disobey your bible.
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>In your opinion.....
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#148687 Jan 17, 2013
Because that's how IKEA shipped it.
Catcher1 wrote:
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The world used to be flat?

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