Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#148346 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Perhaps the motion of the molecules is caused by the absorption of light energy?
I've posted before about watching frost on windshields on frozen mornings evaporate before direct sunlight hits them. The sun was just coming up and still behind the mountains. A mile high and low humidity. Scattering from the atmosphere. Low level intensity. This sets up a current, resulting in that lowest temperature of the day after sunrise phenomenon, caused by the Peltier-Seebeck effect.
EM, son, it's all about the EM. Motion.
Could have sworn the BBT is based upon a superhot and superdense something or other suddenly expanding and then separating, then creating individual forms from condensing.
Boil water. Melt some gold. Melt some platinum. Let the vapor encounter an outside force and see if they condense differently. Or something like that.
Polymath257 is probably right--he is a physicist, after all, so this is within his area of expertise. But that's an appeal to authority, of course, and could be wrong. Consider, though, what happens to the ice cubes in your freezer if you leave them there for a long time without using them--they get smaller and eventually disappear altogether, evaporating in the cold and dark because of that molecular motion, which does not come from light energy and slows only as the temperature of the ice approaches absolute zero.

I think. I'm sure Poymath will correct me if I'm wrong.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148347 Jan 15, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>HaHa..... the IQ of his heart is indeed dismally low :)
Hearts pump blood, they are a muscle, as such they contain no intelligence.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148348 Jan 15, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Why do you deny what a corpse represents? Why do you deny that memory and awareness are functions of an organ called a brain and these functions cease upon death no different than your blood stops flowing when your heart stops beating? Why do you deny these plainly obvious things? If a corpse can not be considered proof that death ends personal memory and awareness then NOTHING we know could ever be considered to be proven for a corpse is the most conclusive proof there could ever possibly be to support the fact that death ends life.
That's because you choose to ignore those who have almost died and been delivered back to their bodes. Out of body experiences, or NDE's ..... the corpse represents the Vessel that the Soul traveled in, and when the Soul departs the Vessel, it is empty and devoid of 'life' as we know it!

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#148349 Jan 15, 2013
Pat wrote:
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A delusional dream is all you've got? Could it be that you had that particular dream due to your religious indoctrination? The bottom line is that awareness REQUIRES working senses and a brain to process the information, neither of which you have after death. It is impossible to experience anything after death. What you had was a dream or it was your just brain shutting down when you were close to death.
You are obviously inattentive and unable to grasp things, perhaps a genetic defect.

My brain, or even yours, would be panicking like crazy when it sees the final curtain coming down. Didn't happen. Just having to move along. Be advised I just ate a dump truck pulling a bulldozer moments before. I was not dreaming. I've been under the knife and didn't remember a thing, but I recall that experience very well.

It boils down to if you believe meat makes the mind, or the mind makes the meat. If you are stuck on being a piece of stellar poop, then I will not argue with you, and certainly won't hold you in any special regard. You are just a piece of meat, just a bit warmer than that corpse you refer to.

You are assuming a lot about what happens just because a body ceases to function anymore. Here is something to think about. It is everyone else that has died, not you. Your "physical" proof is that a mechanism just ceased to exist, not a consciousness.

The walking dead like you are a drag on mankind. Man must aspire to something more than being just animated collections of molecules.

After many millenia of experience, mankind still refers to the spirit in each of us. Spirit is intangible. Non-physical, but very, very real.

You have no license for passing judgments or determining truths for others.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148350 Jan 15, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>That's because you choose to ignore those who have almost died and been delivered back to their bodes. Out of body experiences, or NDE's ..... the corpse represents the Vessel that the Soul traveled in, and when the Soul departs the Vessel, it is empty and devoid of 'life' as we know it!
"Almost died" is not dead. We know why they see what they think they see, we have explained it. You ignore the facts simply because you hate your life so much you think you deserve another chance, or more of it. If you'd stop wasting time planning for something you "hope" exists and start living your life, you'd have a more fulfilling life.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#148351 Jan 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Well, you can rationalize all you want, and I don't blame you for trying, but frankly, the Bible is pretty clear that women are to be subjugated, and Paul was very clear that they should not teach Christian ideology at all. Spread the word? Yes. Discuss it intellectually? Absolutely not.
Yes, you are right, however there is much to learn and not all men have that much to teach, so we go to where our interests are, to get that which we seek.

***For Jews of today, Serah bat Asher serves as a traditional model for our contemporary women leaders, imbued with worldly wisdom, Torah learning, and spiritual power.

http://huc.edu/faculty/faculty/pubs/pbregman.... ***

Although I am not Jewish, as such, I can comprehend that we are linked and then separated .... JESUS Himself was a Jewish Rabbi, and Christianity as we know it came after the death of JESUS; and we each went our separate ways, seeking the Path that takes us to that where we are heading :)

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#148352 Jan 15, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Polymath257 is probably right--he is a physicist, after all, so this is within his area of expertise. But that's an appeal to authority, of course, and could be wrong. Consider, though, what happens to the ice cubes in your freezer if you leave them there for a long time without using them--they get smaller and eventually disappear altogether, evaporating in the cold and dark because of that molecular motion, which does not come from light energy and slows only as the temperature of the ice approaches absolute zero.
I think. I'm sure Poymath will correct me if I'm wrong.
Check for holes in your ice trays. Try not to open the door so much, either.

There is an amount of EM waves bouncing around in that freezer. Freezers aren't that cold. It is colder in many parts of the world, yet the glaciers don't seem to shrink too much.

OOPS!!!!

I forgot!! They are! Global warming. The scientists say so. Must be because we don't use them often enough. The glaciers, that is.

Everybody!! Go to the Arctic and fix a drink! Save the planet.

:-)

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148353 Jan 15, 2013
Serah wrote:
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Yes, you are right, however there is much to learn and not all men have that much to teach, so we go to where our interests are, to get that which we seek.
***For Jews of today, Serah bat Asher serves as a traditional model for our contemporary women leaders, imbued with worldly wisdom, Torah learning, and spiritual power.
http://huc.edu/faculty/faculty/pubs/pbregman.... ***
Although I am not Jewish, as such, I can comprehend that we are linked and then separated .... JESUS Himself was a Jewish Rabbi, and Christianity as we know it came after the death of JESUS; and we each went our separate ways, seeking the Path that takes us to that where we are heading :)
It really doesn't bother you that you are to be subjugated to men, can have any leadership roles, and can't even discuss Christian ideology?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148354 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Check for holes in your ice trays. Try not to open the door so much, either.
There is an amount of EM waves bouncing around in that freezer. Freezers aren't that cold. It is colder in many parts of the world, yet the glaciers don't seem to shrink too much.
OOPS!!!!
I forgot!! They are! Global warming. The scientists say so. Must be because we don't use them often enough. The glaciers, that is.
Everybody!! Go to the Arctic and fix a drink! Save the planet.
:-)
Global warming is a well-established scientific fact. And not because scientists say so, but because objective evidence over several disciplines do. Now, you could argue what the ramifications of climate change might be, but the phenomenon is happening.

“Proud Member”

Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#148355 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Check for holes in your ice trays. Try not to open the door so much, either.
There is an amount of EM waves bouncing around in that freezer. Freezers aren't that cold. It is colder in many parts of the world, yet the glaciers don't seem to shrink too much.
OOPS!!!!
I forgot!! They are! Global warming. The scientists say so. Must be because we don't use them often enough. The glaciers, that is.
Everybody!! Go to the Arctic and fix a drink! Save the planet.
:-)
A freezer running and seldom opened , would take keep ice indefinitely, presuming it ran that long.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#148356 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Check for holes in your ice trays. Try not to open the door so much, either.
There is an amount of EM waves bouncing around in that freezer. Freezers aren't that cold. It is colder in many parts of the world, yet the glaciers don't seem to shrink too much.
OOPS!!!!
I forgot!! They are! Global warming. The scientists say so. Must be because we don't use them often enough. The glaciers, that is.
Everybody!! Go to the Arctic and fix a drink! Save the planet.
:-)
Actually, the phenomenon incorrectly called "Global Warming" is caused by evaporation of the ice, not the inverse ... well ... not the inverse only.

The problem is that the ice in the glaciers does always evaporate, and more is laid on top. That is why ice core samples are used to help out a bit, but we can't get core samples to past a few thousand years because of the cycle.

What happens is when the atmosphere temperature increases, the surface ice melts and releases pockets of gas, thus increasing the temperature of the atmosphere through the greenhouse effect. This then causes more of the ice to evaporate at a faster than typical rate, which in turn causes climatological chaos.

Point is, the ice has always been evaporating there, it's just the lower levels that evaporated first before the atmospheric conditions changed.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#148357 Jan 15, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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A freezer running and seldom opened , would take keep ice indefinitely, presuming it ran that long.
I know.

The only time I ever saw it shrink was due to cheap ice trays.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148358 Jan 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
Again, women are not to discuss religious ideology at all. The Bible says they are to be living examples merely, and subjugated in all ways to men. Any women who instructs in the Word is sinning. She must defer to her husband or a male relative. They can hand out all the Bibles they want, and tell everyone how much they love Jesus, but it can go no futher than that.
I tries to be specific, but you may have missed something.

The bible teaches that women should not preach the bible to men, not that they are subserviant.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#148360 Jan 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
It really doesn't bother you that you are to be subjugated to men, can have any leadership roles, and can't even discuss Christian ideology?
They can teach children :)

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#148359 Jan 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Global warming is a well-established scientific fact. And not because scientists say so, but because objective evidence over several disciplines do. Now, you could argue what the ramifications of climate change might be, but the phenomenon is happening.
I quite agree it is happening, but not with the reasons they state, and especially the money making opportunity they envision.

Pure and simple reasons. Two, actually. Much, much, much, much, much more EM emissions, which induces charges in all materials they pass through,and thus elevating temp, and direct deposit of greenhouse gases in the stratosphere by jets and rockets. Those are gases that wouldn't get there any other way. However, you will not see the aerospace or aviation industries take a hit to combat that.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#148361 Jan 15, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>That's because you choose to ignore those who have almost died and been delivered back to their bodes. Out of body experiences, or NDE's ..... the corpse represents the Vessel that the Soul traveled in, and when the Soul departs the Vessel, it is empty and devoid of 'life' as we know it!
Rather you choose to deny that horse poop has been debunked long long ago. Magic magic magic!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148362 Jan 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I tries to be specific, but you may have missed something.
The bible teaches that women should not preach the bible to men, not that they are subserviant.
Ephesians 5:21-24: "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Pretty clear, no?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148363 Jan 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
They can teach children :)
Not Christian ideology.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#148364 Jan 15, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_...

Note the oscillation, vibration, and rotation. This causes heat. Kinda stresses things.

Radios, TV's, microwaves, and all of those other frequencies except for infrared pretty much came from space before we started creating them locally. Full strength sources on a local level.

The sun's magnetic field is supposed to be about the strength of a refrigerator magnet, albeit a rather large one. A long ways distant. We have stronger magnets than that powering this planet locally.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#148366 Jan 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I quite agree it is happening, but not with the reasons they state, and especially the money making opportunity they envision.
Pure and simple reasons. Two, actually. Much, much, much, much, much more EM emissions, which induces charges in all materials they pass through,and thus elevating temp, and direct deposit of greenhouse gases in the stratosphere by jets and rockets. Those are gases that wouldn't get there any other way. However, you will not see the aerospace or aviation industries take a hit to combat that.
Greenhouse gasses emitted into the air from the ground never rise up into the atmosphere? Huh?

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