Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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“Think&Care”

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#147418 Jan 7, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Arguing probability doesn't require "observable evidence". It simply concludes given a set of circumstances what is more likely.
It also requires knowledge of the laws that apply to determine which set of circumstances is more likely. And the determination of those laws requires observational evidence to establish them.

To determine a probability, you need to know what the range of possibilities is and how many of those possibilities have the condition under discussion. Without *both* of those, it is impossible to determine a probability.

In the specific case under consideration, we are actually attempting to determine what is known as a conditional probability. Given the fact that the universe around us is as it is, what is the probability that there is a deity?

To determine a conditional probability, you need to know the range of possible universes which look like ours and then determine which of those has a deity and which do not. Clearly, we are nowhere close to even knowing what the range of possible universes is (is it even possible for the universe to be different---what does that even mean?). And we have no basis to determine which universes that look like our have or do not have deities that got them going.

So there is simply no way to even get started calculating a probability of there being a deity.

But, what we *do* know is that none of the scientific theories that agree with the evidence we have requires a deity to explain the universe around us. That alone suggests the probability of a deity is small.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#147419 Jan 7, 2013
Not a designer you dolt a brewer! The tea pot billions of years got all steamed up and blew it's top which was the Big Bang. As it boiled it's divine tea for lack of a better word it poured out batches that were the various stars, suns and planets.

After a while it decides to boil up a batch of microscopic life that could simmer on our planet until it simmered to human beings who will either believe in the tea pot or burn forever in the scalding non decaf of the underworld!

You can't prove this didn't happen and it's just as likely as any deity you care to mention. More likely than Jesus by a lot.
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text> Stock line.There is good evidence for the creation of the teapot and the methods of it potentially being placed in space. The teapot and the delivery system both can be proven to exist due to a designer. There is no evidence of that occurring.The rest is you engaging in the usual shots at some Christians beliefs.So I assue you believe there is a designer.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147420 Jan 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Your biggest misconception is that gun owners, specifically those that have guns for home protection, live in fear.
It's not living in fear, not at all. It's acknowledging that threats exist and using whatever means you can to protect yourself from those threats.
As is typical for an RR comment, you have no real understanding of the psychology behind your claim.

Acknowledging the threat exists and then arming yourself to counter the threat is driven by basic human emotion, FEAR.

How you choose to dress it up is entirely up to you but it makes no difference to the facts.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#147421 Jan 7, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text> There is more of a probablity for a diety than the teapot.
Please talk to your doctor about Haldol.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147422 Jan 7, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text> You're delusional. I for one am grateful you don't have a gun.But then your type prefers to use government to infringe on the rights of those you disagree with,the law be damned.
What is delusional about understanding that ANYONE, whether they are armed or not can have a breakdown?

What is delusional about the fact that someone with access to a gun is FAR more likely to shoot a person or persons than someone without access to a gun?

Rights? Are you talking about the “unalienable” rights of Americans that just happen to have been amended?

Rights? Are you talking about why Americans are not subject to the International Declaration of Human Rights?

The US is the only country in the world other than the collapsed state of Somalia that has not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
The US is the only 1st world country and one of only a handful of countries that have not ratified the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.
The US has not ratified the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
The US has not ratified it’s own American Convention on Human Rights.
The US provision for human rights is abysmal but if you think that packing a gun makes if for that defect well, you live there…

FYI, The government in the UK is democratically elected by public vote.
FYI, You can legally own a firearm in the UK.
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/f...

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#147423 Jan 7, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Arguing probability doesn't require "observable evidence". It simply concludes given a set of circumstances what is more likely.
Which requires a sample size greater than 1 and a set of outcomes to calculate any probabilities. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

I'll stick with observable and measurable evidence that is independently verifiable and will consider outcomes in direct proportion to the amount of this evidence.

Thus far, there is gathering evidence for the expansion of the universe and no evidence of any magic from an invisible supernatural sky deity.

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#147424 Jan 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
That would be impossible, I cannot love someone who did not love me. Even then, it's common knowledge that you cannot prove you do, nor how much you do, love someone or thing. That's why there are so many poems and songs about it, people attempt to prove it but cannot. They cannot prove it because they don't know what it actually is.
Right! Just like I can't prove God to you.

Since: Jul 12

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#147425 Jan 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Theory is based on evidence , you mean hypothesis.
Your hypothesis is somehow a freaky invisible sky daddy existed billions of years before the first primitive ape man even walked
on the Earth and has magic he created everything with then dissapeared into a triple entity of past present future
who is everywhere and nowhere . But you can pray to him and he grants you magic wishes and such. And you think WE are crazy because WE don't think you're right?
I don't believe in an invisible sky daddy, so your argument is moot.

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#147426 Jan 7, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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And you are just looking at numbers of those that are self identified as atheists.
But since "a-theism" literally is "not-theism", you are creating false breakdowns that do not compare apples-to-apples. Sorry Just like Baptists are a subset of theism, Humanists are a subset of atheism. There are lots of subsets of both categories. The category atheists includes every subset that cannot be included in the category theism. Deal with it.
Deal with it?

LOL, ok.

2% of Americans are self-identified atheists.

Dealt with.

Since: Jul 12

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#147427 Jan 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Acknowledging the threat exists and then arming yourself to counter the threat is driven by basic human emotion, FEAR.
Right....

So everyone that puts on their seat belt is living fear while driving?

Since: Jul 12

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#147428 Jan 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
The US is the only country in the world other than the collapsed state of Somalia that has not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
The US is the only 1st world country and one of only a handful of countries that have not ratified the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.
The US has not ratified the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
You forgot to add:

The US is the only world super-power and the best hope of freedom for the world.

Since: Sep 08

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#147429 Jan 7, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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And if I don't have a "belief system" but am instead awaiting evidence? How about if I just allow tacit approval in direct proportion to the available verifiable evidence?
I am sure your "tacit approval" gives whatever creative force a warm and fuzzy feeling and will be instrumental in the further development of mankind and the universe itself.

"Belief systems" are just logics based upon observation and experience. If you are a passive learner, like a rock, you sit there and absorb the beliefs of others as truths instead of putting your own mind and soul to work to explain things. You follow the herd.

Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#147430 Jan 7, 2013
It's more than that: you live in a two faced society.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Deal with it?
LOL, ok.
2% of Americans are self-identified atheists.
Dealt with.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147431 Jan 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> What bothers you is that someone of relative insignificance could in fact blow your head clean off.
It does not matter on the significance of the shooter and I feel it’s rather pathetic of you to consider the status of a murderer as a choice. One would be just as dead if it were some sad lame brain or the president of the USA. I live in a country where there the threat is minimal and there is no need for that fear and I see no need for the “my gun is bigger than you gun, I can p|ss further up the wall that you macho cr/\p” you seem to live for. Just a different way of life.
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> In fact it would not , but it would reduce your ability to do anything about it.
Sorry, removing access to all guns would not reduce gun crime, tell me how you figure this out
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Are you willing to discuss this in the terms of Sudan or Somalia?
If you want, are you saying that that those in Sudan or Somalia who gang together and commit murder are normal, unaffected, everyday individual human beings? However under typical civilised constraints it is very difficult to kill another human close up and personal without training.
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> But you continue to murder each other, you only have reduce the means. As an added bonus you have no ability to resist anything I could take over your country by politics alone , you effectively eliminated any opposition outside Parliament.
This means you have NO CHOICE AND no ability to resist.
Wise flew out the window. America will give up its power, when you pry it from it's cold dead ........
Yes we do but at a reduced murder rate (about ¼) that on the US side of the Atlantic puddle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

I would very much like to see you try. Come on, we are waiting…Oh hang on, you were being metaphorical, right?
Yes democracy ever heard of it?
The choice is at election time. There is no need to resist the macho big mouth redneck gung ho gun nut, we are not troubled by them.
So you feel it unwise to prevent the dickheads going on a gun rampage, fine.
What power? The power to shoot school chidden at will, that is a power you are welcome to keep.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#147432 Jan 7, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Arguing probability doesn't require "observable evidence". It simply concludes given a set of circumstances what is more likely.
Any math representing a physical thing requires a base line figure or figures that are physical to calculate.

Of course you can construct a hypothetical scenario out of the abstract, but it has little meaning. Like calculating alternate universes, we can say if there are infinite universes , the probability that there are mirror repeats of Earth is high.
But this concept has no basis in reality.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147433 Jan 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Right....
So everyone that puts on their seat belt is living fear while driving?
Why are you so stupid? You deny basic human psychology because it shows you are a wimp? Tough… live with it.

Of course there is the safety aspect involved that seat belts tend to stop you going head first through the windscreen when some RR prat cuts you up because his right foot is too heave after an overdose of tequila

So you are saying that owning a gun will stop some p|ss head idiot with other guns shooting you?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#147434 Jan 7, 2013
Georgia mom home alone with kids shoots ex-con intruder

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/06/georgia-...

Thank god we didn't get her .38 revolver taken away from her! Everyone knows that a .38 revolver is only designed for killing!

Some of you have already come up with the, "We were talking about military grade assault weapons" defense, but the so called "military grade assault weapons" are not military grade and .38's were on the hit list for being too easy to conceal.

Since: Jul 12

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#147435 Jan 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Why are you so stupid? You deny basic human psychology because it shows you are a wimp? Tough… live with it.
You seem like such a kind & loving person.
Of course there is the safety aspect involved that seat belts tend to stop you going head first through the windscreen when some RR prat cuts you up because his right foot is too heave after an overdose of tequila
I don't drink & drive. Ever.

And I don't speed.

So....
So you are saying that owning a gun will stop some p|ss head idiot with other guns shooting you?
No, that means IF some piss head wants to shoot at me, he'll likely think twice about it because I can shoot back. He'll more likely shoot you straight through you protest sign.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#147436 Jan 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You forgot to add:
The US is the only world super-power and the best hope of freedom for the world.
No I didn’t forget, It was irrelevant to the topic however it seems that following the demise of the Soviet Union China has taken up the reigns

Yes I sure Hitler thought the same thing, freedom under imposed terms is not freedom

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#147437 Jan 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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It does not matter on the significance of the shooter and I feel it’s rather pathetic of you to consider the status of a murderer as a choice. One would be just as dead if it were some sad lame brain or the president of the USA. I live in a country where there the threat is minimal and there is no need for that fear and I see no need for the “my gun is bigger than you gun, I can p|ss further up the wall that you macho cr/\p” you seem to live for. Just a different way of life.
<quoted text>
Sorry, removing access to all guns would not reduce gun crime, tell me how you figure this out
<quoted text>
If you want, are you saying that that those in Sudan or Somalia who gang together and commit murder are normal, unaffected, everyday individual human beings? However under typical civilised constraints it is very difficult to kill another human close up and personal without training.
<quoted text>
Yes we do but at a reduced murder rate (about ¼) that on the US side of the Atlantic puddle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
I would very much like to see you try. Come on, we are waiting…Oh hang on, you were being metaphorical, right?
Yes democracy ever heard of it?
The choice is at election time. There is no need to resist the macho big mouth redneck gung ho gun nut, we are not troubled by them.
So you feel it unwise to prevent the dickheads going on a gun rampage, fine.
What power? The power to shoot school chidden at will, that is a power you are welcome to keep.
Bottom line is we wrote these things into law because of your country. They worked then to defeat you as the oppressor of my country. I find it slightly curious it is now your country that is the biggest supporter of disarming this country.

No I favor a assault weapons and high capacity clips ban , but not any outright bans or national registration.
I also think we need address the issue in schools as well as mental health screening from middle school on up, along with security in the schools.

The reason is simple you will never be able to remove access to all guns Christine , it is guaranteed under the second amendment.
But the fact remain also Christine , while there are les murders with guns over there , per capita violent crime is actually higher over there too.

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