Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jan 13

Dillon, CO

#147365 Jan 6, 2013
I am not mindless, nor do I exist as a "rock". It is just that I will believe science over mythology any day. The beauty of science is that it can say, "We don't have all the answers yet, but we are working on it." Religion says, "We have all the answers, and if you don't believe us, you will burn in hell."

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147366 Jan 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You poor simple minded soul.

There are plenty of cardinals, bishops, and a Pope or two in science. Gatekeepers of the approved way of looking at things. They also have a problem with the heretics within their church, too.

In your simple mindicity you default to this hazy religion you call science, and develop this belief this all happened along by chance. This is a religion, a belief you will find the answers in time. Well, you won't, but you hope mankind will. Part of the religion. They do the same in some churches.

You, and many others like you, get lost in the sophistry of modern physics. You started worshiping that concept I mentioned instead of the unknowable creative force. You make the mistake of denying its existence.

If you had some more smarts about how things work, it would be easier for you to realize that you are just a construct in this manifestation. You are no different than a damned light bulb, except they are brighter. You are circuitry for a force set into motion. Like a light can reveal things by its energy impacting them, AND those reflections in turn affect it, your existence is very similar, just a whole bunch more complex. The difference is the potential for you to manifest as a more coherent form on another level, or even here.

Here is the difference between a light bulb and a human being. A light bulb doesn't know there is a switch powering it. It just exists, just like your average Topix atheist. No fucking brains to see beyond itself and the moment.

Thanks for the welcome back.

:-)
You're welcome.

And I see you haven't changed.

I mistakenly thought you might be worth engaging.

You're not.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#147367 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be impossible, I cannot love someone who did not love me. Even then, it's common knowledge that you cannot prove you do, nor how much you do, love someone or thing. That's why there are so many poems and songs about it, people attempt to prove it but cannot. They cannot prove it because they don't know what it actually is.
Now ask a neurologist to demonstrate it, they'll show you images of how it effects the brain, much like blowing up a balloon demonstrates air exists, the effects the chemicals that produce the feeling we call "love" demonstrates that love exists. But you have already been shown these scans, so meh.
So the people that love God, that's what happens to their brain too, right? So their love for God is real too, that love also exists. Love is the same whether u love an animal, human or even God. We don't know what love or God is, you're right, we can only express our feelings not prove them.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147368 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Lol, good point.

But they don't call it "beliefs", they call it "theories"....
We have the guts to say we don't know.

We have the guts to say we may never know.

And we have the curiosity and determination to keep trying.

Something you and Dave will never understand.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#147369 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the original, note the qualifier, topic is:
"Atheism requires as much faith as religion?"
Silly girl, your belief there is no intelligent design is based upon a belief on scientific theories. There is not really much of it "proved", especially that cosmology.

It is called speculation.

Fact is, you think you are here and exist. You got here somehow.

The hardware activated by your coding would have a hard time identifying the source of its ultimate creation. All it can do is look at other coding.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#147370 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, good point.
But they don't call it "beliefs", they call it "theories"....
Theory is based on evidence , you mean hypothesis.
Your hypothesis is somehow a freaky invisible sky daddy existed billions of years before the first primitive ape man even walked
on the Earth and has magic he created everything with then dissapeared into a triple entity of past present future
who is everywhere and nowhere . But you can pray to him and he grants you magic wishes and such. And you think WE are crazy because WE don't think you're right?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147372 Jan 6, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>That continues to be a matter of opinion.
Then please present it.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#147373 Jan 6, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Yh, I've been bored too, I'd rather just sit and do my work then come on topix, but I have got a lot of it done, so being bored of topix has helped me, lol.
I can try and help make it fun for a few days, but then I'm going away for 3 weeks, i wish u best of luck, u guys r gonna need it! People are getting more boring!!!
Three weeks? Vacation?

I'm flying to San Francisco tomorrow, will be there two days. But it's work. Fun work, but work nonetheless.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147374 Jan 6, 2013
jeffthecheeseman wrote:
Darwinism: A theory based on all known scientific facts compiled by scientists up to this date, considered by all reputable thinkers as one of the crown jewels of human thought. The Bible: a hodge-podge of 5000 year old Middle Eastern mythology. Hmm. Which shall I believe?
'Tis a puzzlement.

To some.

Welcome aboard, Jeff.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#147375 Jan 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly girl, your belief there is no intelligent design is based upon a belief on scientific theories. There is not really much of it "proved", especially that cosmology.
It is called speculation.
Fact is, you think you are here and exist. You got here somehow.
The hardware activated by your coding would have a hard time identifying the source of its ultimate creation. All it can do is look at other coding.
Hey Dave.

To what may we attribute your absence?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147376 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>The tell me why America is filled with so many intellectual, rational people yet atheists are only .07% of the population.
It's called cognitive dissonance.

People walk around all day acting one way and believing another.

For instance, you might claim your god loves you and your family and so, should protect you from harm, yet you feel the need for assault weapons to protect you and your family.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#147377 Jan 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
We have the guts to say we don't know.
We have the guts to say we may never know.
And we have the curiosity and determination to keep trying.
Something you and Dave will never understand.
Well, it's the truth, we really don't know a lot!! But even some scientists think they know it all.

But what has our curiosity and determination helped us achieve? OK, u sent a man to the moon, so what? U discovered big bang theory, so what? U sent gadgets to outer space, so what? We humans are still killing each other like animals, we're so close to even making the bloody fish in the sea extinct, How has science and knowledge helped us to become better human-beings?

Thanks to science we even know that we all come from the same ancestor, we are all one species but has racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination stopped? No, it's just taken on another form, but it's still there.

Science is not the answer to world peace!! That's more important than knowing how the world was created!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#147378 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence is not a matter of opinion, any evidence that requires opinion is not evidence, it's opinion.
When discussing this particular subject what constitutes evidence and what constitutes probability remains largely opinion.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#147379 Jan 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Then please present it.
Present opinion? Isn't that what we have all been doing?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147380 Jan 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>They shouldn't.

If you have faith, you'd know.

If you believed in God, you'd know.

Because once you do, He is there for you.
Faith and knowing are incompatible.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#147381 Jan 6, 2013
jeffthecheeseman wrote:
I am not mindless, nor do I exist as a "rock". It is just that I will believe science over mythology any day. The beauty of science is that it can say, "We don't have all the answers yet, but we are working on it." Religion says, "We have all the answers, and if you don't believe us, you will burn in hell."
How silly

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#147382 Jan 6, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>Well, it's the truth, we really don't know a lot!! But even some scientists think they know it all.

But what has our curiosity and determination helped us achieve? OK, u sent a man to the moon, so what? U discovered big bang theory, so what? U sent gadgets to outer space, so what? We humans are still killing each other like animals, we're so close to even making the bloody fish in the sea extinct, How has science and knowledge helped us to become better human-beings?

Thanks to science we even know that we all come from the same ancestor, we are all one species but has racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination stopped? No, it's just taken on another form, but it's still there.

Science is not the answer to world peace!! That's more important than knowing how the world was created!!
Good points.

Science doesn't deal with the why's.

But religion doesn't do such a great job either, does it.

As for what might help us learn to get along better, my vote goes to secular humanism.

And don't confuse that with atheism. You can be religious AND a secular humanist.

In the case of Christians, they might have to give up their homophobia.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#147383 Jan 6, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, it's the truth, we really don't know a lot!! But even some scientists think they know it all.
But what has our curiosity and determination helped us achieve? OK, u sent a man to the moon, so what? U discovered big bang theory, so what? U sent gadgets to outer space, so what? We humans are still killing each other like animals, we're so close to even making the bloody fish in the sea extinct, How has science and knowledge helped us to become better human-beings?
Thanks to science we even know that we all come from the same ancestor, we are all one species but has racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination stopped? No, it's just taken on another form, but it's still there.
Science is not the answer to world peace!! That's more important than knowing how the world was created!!


Allow me to disagree with you, Clementine.

As I see it, it is the religious folks who think they know it all; their faith deprives them of the ability to question their beliefs, to reconsider, to examine evidence. Scientists are generally in a quest to gain knowledge, to examine new discoveries, to change their views on the basis of persuasive evidence.

As for the wars, here too religion generally tends to play a major part. And much discrimination, against homosexuals for example, is justified by Christians by their Bible.

Science may not be the answer to discrimination or to world peace and harmony. But religion is often the enemy of these goals.

Three whole weeks?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#147384 Jan 6, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Three weeks? Vacation?
I'm flying to San Francisco tomorrow, will be there two days. But it's work. Fun work, but work nonetheless.
Nope, I bloody wish tho!! Uni started and also I got to go back to work and it's full on work, work, work. It's hopefully only going to be 3 stressful weeks, I got deadlines and presentations, i think it'll calm down after that until May, f*cking exam time!!! Anyway, i'll be working hard and won't have time for topix, coz I need my sleep or i'll just fall asleep while i'm teaching and the kids will make MORE fun of me, lol.

Aww, take me with u, I'll make u nice masala tea and give u an Indian head massage, just take me with u, plssssss!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#147385 Jan 6, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Dave.
To what may we attribute your absence?
He was abducted by aliens or God!

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