Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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I think it's a symbolic narrative.
A flood symbolizes uncontained water which has gone beyond the basic boundary between earth and water.
Floods symbolize the end of one cycle of time and the beginning of a new cycle of time. There is the dual symbolism of death and regenerative birth associated with the flood.
Part of that you are really stretching. But the other part is close.

Floods represent cleansing in mythology.

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I know, I'm the only person who'll tell it to you straight up without any bullsh*t.
You have such a warm and loving personality.

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Jan 2, 2013
 
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If god is real, mae he strike me the f*ck down right the f*ck now.
Try this little experiment this coming Spring.

When the next severe thunderstorm comes rolling in your neighborhood.

Take your shoes off and sprinkle a little salt in both shoes. Then put them both on.

Then go outside in the middle of the street while it is raining and flip the bird at God. Be sure to hold that hand up as high as possible.

Say real loud,I dare you to strike me the f*ck down right the f*ck now.

Say it loud and at least three times. See what happens.

Be sure there are no kids or pets standing by you.

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Desert nomads? No, no, no...
I will not accept the unfounded claim that all life on Earth came from one single-celled organism. That's the assumptive nature of ToE that doesn't wit quit right with me and many others.
There is obvious design in all aspects of life. The human brain is an exquisite example.
The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe. It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.
This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain.
In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans all without knowing they are doing so.
Anthropomorphizing. The human brain isn't much different from other animals, and it's more well understood than you seem to think. Considering you actually are getting your description about it from a religious source and not a scientific one, it's not surprising you'd find it complex.

Each neuron is a cell, the basic explanation, very easy to understand, of how neurons work is this:

Each path between specific neurons has a weight value, which determines the most likely direction for any signal to take when it reaches that neuron. A signal is generated by stimulation from various input sources, nerves is what we call them. That signal then travels along the neurons, finding the "path of least resistance," which is what the weights are. If the resulting action is neutral, no changes happen, if the result is negative the weights along that path are decreased as a response, if the results are positive they increase. Resulting in more positive responses each event, hopefully, as there are some factors which can interrupt the process, we call those mental disabilities. That is how learning engines work. The structure of the brain itself actually shows all the stages or development, and evolution, it has gone through, making it pretty easy to see how it came to be what it is for every species that possesses one.

Emotion are actually the result of "misfires," but even a glitch can be beneficial in many instances. Thus nature tends to select things that are actually flaws almost as often as those which produce none. When presented with a situation, if the specific stimuli fires a specific signal, these can trigger the releases of certain chemicals, resulting in unrelated actions, such as crying for example. Crying serves no actual purpose to the organism, and can actually damage it, however it serves as a communication system that informs other organisms there is a problem. Thus the crying organism gets help even if unable to communicate any other way, while those not crying are not noticed and often die off.

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Exactly.
Why no outcry about that from gun nuts?
Because even the staunchest gun owner knows that the silencer is designed to make it easier to get away with killing people.
But these same people can't admit that the assault weapon is designed to kill people.

The assault rifle is manufactured in mass but it is designed to wound. The fact remains however YES they do kill people though Aero.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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Try this little experiment this coming Spring.
When the next severe thunderstorm comes rolling in your neighborhood.
Take your shoes off and sprinkle a little salt in both shoes. Then put them both on.
Then go outside in the middle of the street while it is raining and flip the bird at God. Be sure to hold that hand up as high as possible.
Say real loud,I dare you to strike me the f*ck down right the f*ck now.
Say it loud and at least three times. See what happens.
Be sure there are no kids or pets standing by you.
Been there, done that ... except the salt, which makes no sense at all.

But it still proves nothing. All it does prove is that you like to wish harm onto other people. If your god was real, I'd be dead a million times over, yet here I am, showing how your god doesn't exist. Why do you try it, prove to yourself that your god is there.

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Part of that you are really stretching. But the other part is close.
Floods represent cleansing in mythology.
You don't know if it's a stretch, just admit that's your opinion.

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Anthropomorphizing. The human brain isn't much different from other animals, and it's more well understood than you seem to think. Considering you actually are getting your description about it from a religious source and not a scientific one, it's not surprising you'd find it complex.
100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells is complex, no matter which way you crack it.

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Been there, done that ... except the salt, which makes no sense at all.
But it still proves nothing. All it does prove is that you like to wish harm onto other people. If your god was real, I'd be dead a million times over, yet here I am, showing how your god doesn't exist. Why do you try it, prove to yourself that your god is there.
You're not showing that God doesn't exist, you're showing that God gave you free will.

Good job!

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NRA mentalist La Pierre (AKA freedom gun?) pulled up your media for saying 5.56mm rounds (NATO standard) were the most powerful for the reasons you explain.
It's only a technicality. They still do far more damage than knives.
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I agree , and they probably kill more often than not , but that's the issue with the person firing multi shots into the victim. I am against control however because , they are not effective at curtailing crime. The answer I think is security.
banning High capacity clips wont help either. They simply attach 3 of them together , slows fire a little but not enough to matter in a situation like the last one.

He could have used a single shot 12 gauge and killed as may kids .

Security will be the only answer.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think it's a symbolic narrative.
A flood symbolizes uncontained water which has gone beyond the basic boundary between earth and water.
Floods symbolize the end of one cycle of time and the beginning of a new cycle of time. There is the dual symbolism of death and regenerative birth associated with the flood.
Well, if you aren't taking the story of the flood literally, then science disproving it could have happened would not make any difference.

As to the symbolism of the flood story, frankly, it just seemed to me like God was unhappy with what he made, did a reboot, and that didn't keep either. I never thought about it as the end of one "cycle" and the beginning of another. In your view, what cycle ended and what began afterward?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I disagree. I don't see religion & science as conflicting.
Only if religion is reduced to philosophy.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Well there you go.

Scientists can also be religious.

Because science & religion aren't enemies, like you want.
Then why do you reject so much of it?

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Aerobatty wrote:
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Yeah.
And its use COULD be to hammer nails.
Right?
It could be just a toy , you do not have to vilify the gun.
It is the villain you fear.
Ive shot a zillion cans and targets at the range and turkey shoots.
Hunted for deer and hogs.
Turkeys etc.

I even made a active target that spun when you hit it.

But I've never once considered shooting another person with one.
Except maybe when 9/11 came and I saw all those victims.
But no the gun is not the enemy, stupidity , mental illness , radical fundietisim and our desensitization of violence in our youth is the problem. It's not going away easy.

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Desert nomads? No, no, no...
I will not accept the unfounded claim that all life on Earth came from one single-celled organism. That's the assumptive nature of ToE that doesn't wit quit right with me and many others.
There is obvious design in all aspects of life. The human brain is an exquisite example.
The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe. It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.
This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain.
In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans all without knowing they are doing so.
Yeah, but you are also forgetting about the immense amount of time that these changes were supposed to occur over. Beyond that, if your argument is one of incredulity over how evolution works, then you must not believe in the existence of any matter, because how atoms work is even more far-fetched than how evolution produced sentient beings.

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You're not showing that God doesn't exist, you're showing that God gave you free will.
Good job!
Not according to Eagle's assertion.
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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> ..Security will be the only answer.
Its security or guns. One or the other. The evidence is overwhelming.

Privately owned guns don't stop or reduce crime. If criminals use guns the police must use them, as they do in all developed countries. Guns don't kill people, people who won't accept tight gun control help to get people killed.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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You have such a warm and loving personality.
And you are such a good judge of that, after all.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're not showing that God doesn't exist, you're showing that God gave you free will.
Good job!
Free will can't exist if God already knows the future and fate, remember?

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100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells is complex, no matter which way you crack it.
Our computers have that too. Again, "complex" is a relative term. We understand it, that was my point. We can understand a lot of complex things, it's sort of the only real difference between us and the other animals, it's our one gift to the animal kingdom, if we start to actually use it instead of just giving more animal like non-answers like "god dun it."

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