Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#146819 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know. As I've said many times, evolution is a real thing. My problem with it is the assumptive & speculative nature of The Theory of Evolution. It doesn't work.
You have a problem with an established theory upheld by mountains (literally) of objective evidence across various scientific disciplines, but have no problem accepting the unfounded claims of ancient desert nomads?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#146820 Jan 2, 2013
real proof wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iUEDbWNTmUEXX&feature=pla yer_detailpage
explain this one please..........
Ben Goldacre's book Bad Science...
http://www.badscience.net/
won't explain all the propaganda by those who are superstitious as fast as they can produce it, but his book helps. Well, it helps if you are objectively and rationally following the evidence without a personal agenda and without an inherently supestitious way of thinking.

Dr Goldacre has now had a new book published: Bad Pharma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Pharma

(Real proof? Lol!)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#146821 Jan 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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A lot in Alaska.
Or if you're around Polar bears.
Touche.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146822 Jan 2, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Do you consider the story of the flood in Genesis literally accurate or a mythological parable?
I think it's a symbolic narrative.

A flood symbolizes uncontained water which has gone beyond the basic boundary between earth and water.

Floods symbolize the end of one cycle of time and the beginning of a new cycle of time. There is the dual symbolism of death and regenerative birth associated with the flood.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146823 Jan 2, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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You have a problem with an established theory upheld by mountains (literally) of objective evidence across various scientific disciplines, but have no problem accepting the unfounded claims of ancient desert nomads?
Desert nomads? No, no, no...

I will not accept the unfounded claim that all life on Earth came from one single-celled organism. That's the assumptive nature of ToE that doesn't wit quit right with me and many others.

There is obvious design in all aspects of life. The human brain is an exquisite example.

The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe. It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.

This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain.

In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans all without knowing they are doing so.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146824 Jan 2, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Not to mention Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu scientists, amongst others. And of course, Scientologists.
Science in one's specific line of work doesn't always translate into total rationality in one's personal perspectives of the world at large. It's called cognitive dissonance.
I disagree. I don't see religion & science as conflicting.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#146825 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think it's a symbolic narrative.
A flood symbolizes uncontained water which has gone beyond the basic boundary between earth and water.
Floods symbolize the end of one cycle of time and the beginning of a new cycle of time. There is the dual symbolism of death and regenerative birth associated with the flood.
Part of that you are really stretching. But the other part is close.

Floods represent cleansing in mythology.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#146826 Jan 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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I know, I'm the only person who'll tell it to you straight up without any bullsh*t.
You have such a warm and loving personality.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#146827 Jan 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
If god is real, mae he strike me the f*ck down right the f*ck now.
Try this little experiment this coming Spring.

When the next severe thunderstorm comes rolling in your neighborhood.

Take your shoes off and sprinkle a little salt in both shoes. Then put them both on.

Then go outside in the middle of the street while it is raining and flip the bird at God. Be sure to hold that hand up as high as possible.

Say real loud,I dare you to strike me the f*ck down right the f*ck now.

Say it loud and at least three times. See what happens.

Be sure there are no kids or pets standing by you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#146828 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Desert nomads? No, no, no...
I will not accept the unfounded claim that all life on Earth came from one single-celled organism. That's the assumptive nature of ToE that doesn't wit quit right with me and many others.
There is obvious design in all aspects of life. The human brain is an exquisite example.
The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe. It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.
This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain.
In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans all without knowing they are doing so.
Anthropomorphizing. The human brain isn't much different from other animals, and it's more well understood than you seem to think. Considering you actually are getting your description about it from a religious source and not a scientific one, it's not surprising you'd find it complex.

Each neuron is a cell, the basic explanation, very easy to understand, of how neurons work is this:

Each path between specific neurons has a weight value, which determines the most likely direction for any signal to take when it reaches that neuron. A signal is generated by stimulation from various input sources, nerves is what we call them. That signal then travels along the neurons, finding the "path of least resistance," which is what the weights are. If the resulting action is neutral, no changes happen, if the result is negative the weights along that path are decreased as a response, if the results are positive they increase. Resulting in more positive responses each event, hopefully, as there are some factors which can interrupt the process, we call those mental disabilities. That is how learning engines work. The structure of the brain itself actually shows all the stages or development, and evolution, it has gone through, making it pretty easy to see how it came to be what it is for every species that possesses one.

Emotion are actually the result of "misfires," but even a glitch can be beneficial in many instances. Thus nature tends to select things that are actually flaws almost as often as those which produce none. When presented with a situation, if the specific stimuli fires a specific signal, these can trigger the releases of certain chemicals, resulting in unrelated actions, such as crying for example. Crying serves no actual purpose to the organism, and can actually damage it, however it serves as a communication system that informs other organisms there is a problem. Thus the crying organism gets help even if unable to communicate any other way, while those not crying are not noticed and often die off.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#146829 Jan 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Exactly.
Why no outcry about that from gun nuts?
Because even the staunchest gun owner knows that the silencer is designed to make it easier to get away with killing people.
But these same people can't admit that the assault weapon is designed to kill people.

The assault rifle is manufactured in mass but it is designed to wound. The fact remains however YES they do kill people though Aero.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#146830 Jan 2, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Try this little experiment this coming Spring.
When the next severe thunderstorm comes rolling in your neighborhood.
Take your shoes off and sprinkle a little salt in both shoes. Then put them both on.
Then go outside in the middle of the street while it is raining and flip the bird at God. Be sure to hold that hand up as high as possible.
Say real loud,I dare you to strike me the f*ck down right the f*ck now.
Say it loud and at least three times. See what happens.
Be sure there are no kids or pets standing by you.
Been there, done that ... except the salt, which makes no sense at all.

But it still proves nothing. All it does prove is that you like to wish harm onto other people. If your god was real, I'd be dead a million times over, yet here I am, showing how your god doesn't exist. Why do you try it, prove to yourself that your god is there.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146831 Jan 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Part of that you are really stretching. But the other part is close.
Floods represent cleansing in mythology.
You don't know if it's a stretch, just admit that's your opinion.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146832 Jan 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Anthropomorphizing. The human brain isn't much different from other animals, and it's more well understood than you seem to think. Considering you actually are getting your description about it from a religious source and not a scientific one, it's not surprising you'd find it complex.
100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells is complex, no matter which way you crack it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#146833 Jan 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Been there, done that ... except the salt, which makes no sense at all.
But it still proves nothing. All it does prove is that you like to wish harm onto other people. If your god was real, I'd be dead a million times over, yet here I am, showing how your god doesn't exist. Why do you try it, prove to yourself that your god is there.
You're not showing that God doesn't exist, you're showing that God gave you free will.

Good job!

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#146834 Jan 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
NRA mentalist La Pierre (AKA freedom gun?) pulled up your media for saying 5.56mm rounds (NATO standard) were the most powerful for the reasons you explain.
It's only a technicality. They still do far more damage than knives.
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I agree , and they probably kill more often than not , but that's the issue with the person firing multi shots into the victim. I am against control however because , they are not effective at curtailing crime. The answer I think is security.
banning High capacity clips wont help either. They simply attach 3 of them together , slows fire a little but not enough to matter in a situation like the last one.

He could have used a single shot 12 gauge and killed as may kids .

Security will be the only answer.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#146835 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think it's a symbolic narrative.
A flood symbolizes uncontained water which has gone beyond the basic boundary between earth and water.
Floods symbolize the end of one cycle of time and the beginning of a new cycle of time. There is the dual symbolism of death and regenerative birth associated with the flood.
Well, if you aren't taking the story of the flood literally, then science disproving it could have happened would not make any difference.

As to the symbolism of the flood story, frankly, it just seemed to me like God was unhappy with what he made, did a reboot, and that didn't keep either. I never thought about it as the end of one "cycle" and the beginning of another. In your view, what cycle ended and what began afterward?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#146836 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I disagree. I don't see religion & science as conflicting.
Only if religion is reduced to philosophy.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146837 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Well there you go.

Scientists can also be religious.

Because science & religion aren't enemies, like you want.
Then why do you reject so much of it?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#146838 Jan 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yeah.
And its use COULD be to hammer nails.
Right?
It could be just a toy , you do not have to vilify the gun.
It is the villain you fear.
Ive shot a zillion cans and targets at the range and turkey shoots.
Hunted for deer and hogs.
Turkeys etc.

I even made a active target that spun when you hit it.

But I've never once considered shooting another person with one.
Except maybe when 9/11 came and I saw all those victims.
But no the gun is not the enemy, stupidity , mental illness , radical fundietisim and our desensitization of violence in our youth is the problem. It's not going away easy.

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