Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#146216 Jan 1, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
If I may I would like to make some observations and I am well aware that I am an outsider to your country. Let me start with that the US and OZ are very similar but the there some subtle differences. As a friend of mine once said on his first trip out here said “everything is the same but different”. For example the cars are similar but we drive on the other side of the road.
Agree.
Richardfs wrote:
SOCIALISM:
Socialism is a means of economic production as is capitalism. Neither extreme works and all countries are some where between the two. We have universal health care and unemployment benefits, is it perfect, NO, but nobody gets turned away from hospital and everybody gets treatment. The same goes for unemployment benefits.
To me it is important to try and look after those in need and not make them feel like rejects.
It seems to us outsiders to the US that Communism has become synonymous with Socialism which is not true. Communism is a political system as is Fascism.
I agree, but to a point. Here in America, we have had more and more people believing that they are entitled to a free life, or even a comfortable life, without contributing. Several state tried a program where instead just getting just a flat rate for unemployment, they could work for the state, a few hours a week, and get a bonus, not much of one, but better than the base pay. Most people worked for the state and they claimed that it was not for the extra money, but for the pride of earning the wage.
As wilderide’s quote says,“How do you know what you know?” I realize that I only think I know what I know. If you prove me wrong on anything I say; remember this! I try never to lie, but I have been known to know something that turned out to be false.
Richardfs wrote:
CORRUPTION:
Why would a democratically elected government become excessively corrupt? Well from the outside we see people like J.E. Hoover (one SOB) who seems to have blackmailed politicians because of sexual conduct. Out here we could give a rat's about who our pollies f..k as long it is between consenting adults, as long it is not us.(which they do anyway). That's why we all have elections.

But it seems us that the US is almost paranoid about it.
Yes, the shit started just as soon as we became a super power. That is too much responsibility for any group of people. It has gotten worse since the fall of the USSR.
Richardfs wrote:
DISASTERS:
Having no experience in the US I can't say. But having gone through a cyclone, floods and bushfires I have no fear of been shot for food.

A couple of years ago my youngest girl had her house burnt down due to arson. The community response for her and four children was staggering.
If we lived in New Orleans during Hurricane Katina and had we been stupid enough to stay there, we both would want a gun! Where I live; I have been through two major hurricanes, lost power for a week or so, and never once felt the need for protection.
Richardfs wrote:
MEDIA:
One really big difference I see is in the media. We receive a huge amount of TV from the US but also from other countries and here lies the difference. An enormous amount of US programming is extremely violent, but have a real hang up sex and nudity. The reverse tends to be true from other countries. I am in noway saying that TV violence causes real world violence, but rather its acceptance as the norm is a symptom. I mean lets face it how many people do you know have murdered and how many do you know bonk?
I agree! We cannot say,“shit’ on normal TV channels, but a character can slaughter 50 people and few blink an eye! We cannot see a boob, but a gunshot to the head, no problem! We are so bad, that when I was a kid, into my teens, a model modeling a bra had to wear it outside a sweater!

One would think that with all the religious nuts that we have over here that we would only see G rated movies and TV shows!

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146217 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Those were like every invention Aero taken and contracted into something that kills other people.
Olympics target shooting is not practice to kill people.
Neither is USPSA competition. If you invented the power source
like in the Dark Knight rises , someone would turn it into something that kills people. People somehow feel the need to kill other people , that's why it happens.
Take away all the guns and people will use clubs to kill each other. I'm actually not bothered by a non permanent assault weapons high capacity clip ban. The rest of the bill sucks crap
because that's just a prelim to confiscation. It also tacks a 200 fee to owners to register a grandfathered gun. Do you seriously think that's fair to the gun owners across the nation?
Especially collectors who have dozens to hundreds of them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/...

A man in China stabbed 22 children and 1 adult. None of them died. Don't think we'd be able to say the same if he had shot them all, now could we?

A gun's intended use is to kill. If you want to use it for sports - that is fine. But how about we limit it to sports, then? Certainly, if that is a gun's use as you and several others on this thread have mentioned, there should be no harm in restricting guns to competitions.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146218 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, he is describing "intended uses." Big difference. Guns aren't made for shooting ranges, they're made for killing/hurting animals and people.
I just shoot cans.

You know....

MexiCans

AfriCans

Puerto RiCans

:)

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146219 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
Cute. Let's joke about killing foreigners now.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#146220 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, he is describing "intended uses." Big difference. Guns aren't made for shooting ranges, they're made for killing/hurting animals and people.
You don't get to establish a preliminary intent of a potential gun buyer. You have no idea what that intent is.
Unless they tell you. That's where you liberals are a rotten steamy pile, the intent could be to use it for plinking.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#146221 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
Americans too

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146222 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Those were like every invention Aero taken and contracted into something that kills other people.
Olympics target shooting is not practice to kill people.
Neither is USPSA competition. If you invented the power source
like in the Dark Knight rises , someone would turn it into something that kills people. People somehow feel the need to kill other people , that's why it happens.
Take away all the guns and people will use clubs to kill each other. I'm actually not bothered by a non permanent assault weapons high capacity clip ban. The rest of the bill sucks crap
because that's just a prelim to confiscation. It also tacks a 200 fee to owners to register a grandfathered gun. Do you seriously think that's fair to the gun owners across the nation?
Especially collectors who have dozens to hundreds of them.
From my reading, the original hand cannons were invented in China.

Do you really think they were invented for target shooting?

I know people shoot competitively now. And I know it can be fun. I enjoy target shooting. I also enjoy darts (I played very competitively. Even beat a couple of Englishmen) and bow and arrow.

But those are all alternate uses for what are weapons of death. To deny that is just being evasive.

The primary purpose of any firearm, with the possible exception of small caliber, high precision firearms specifically designed for competition (Which, I will add, can STILL be used to kill) is to kill. High capacity assault weapons are DESIGNED specifically to kill humans. As many humans in as little time as possible with the capacity to reload quickly enough to thwart any attempts to disarm or gain advantage on the shooter.

Since: Oct 10

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#146223 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
RepubliCans?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146224 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
I know you're just joking.

At least I hope you are.

But I'd think twice about joking like that on a public forum.

Seriously.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146225 Jan 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I just shoot cans.
You know....
MexiCans
AfriCans
Puerto RiCans
:)
And now that I think about it, I'll bet that's the kind of humor that goes around NRA meetings and gun clubs.

And I'll bet that sometimes it's not said in jest.

That's why I question the mentality of people who feel the need to own assault weapons.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146226 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You don't get to establish a preliminary intent of a potential gun buyer. You have no idea what that intent is.
Unless they tell you. That's where you liberals are a rotten steamy pile, the intent could be to use it for plinking.
Let's take a look at the widely used meaning of the word gun:

gun
n.
A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.

A weapon, you say? Let's see what that means!

weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

How can you argue that a gun's intended purpose is "plinking" when the definition of the word itself contradicts this? I don't care what any buyer's intent of using a gun is, the reason that there are guns is so they can be used as weapons.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#146227 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
From my reading, the original hand cannons were invented in China.
Do you really think they were invented for target shooting?
I know people shoot competitively now. And I know it can be fun. I enjoy target shooting. I also enjoy darts (I played very competitively. Even beat a couple of Englishmen) and bow and arrow.
But those are all alternate uses for what are weapons of death. To deny that is just being evasive.
The primary purpose of any firearm, with the possible exception of small caliber, high precision firearms specifically designed for competition (Which, I will add, can STILL be used to kill) is to kill. High capacity assault weapons are DESIGNED specifically to kill humans. As many humans in as little time as possible with the capacity to reload quickly enough to thwart any attempts to disarm or gain advantage on the shooter.
Again you are talking a intended use, not intended design criteria.
I agree an assault weapon is manufactured as a weapon of war.
But you cannot assign an intended use for a potential civilian gun buyer.
You do not get to decide for them their reason , that's being disingenuous and fallacious.

The fact is a car could be bought to kill people , it is quite capable of mowing down lots of people. But then again maybe they are buying the car to have fun using it legally.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#146228 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's take a look at the widely used meaning of the word gun:
gun
n.
A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
A weapon, you say? Let's see what that means!
weap·on
Noun
A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
How can you argue that a gun's intended purpose is "plinking" when the definition of the word itself contradicts this? I don't care what any buyer's intent of using a gun is, the reason that there are guns is so they can be used as weapons.

A gun is only a *potential weapon.
So are cars, airplanes , knives, and baseball bats .
You are looking at a man from a christian country and swearing him a christian. He is in fact only potentially a christian.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#146229 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
A gun is only a *potential weapon.
So are cars, airplanes , knives, and baseball bats .
You are looking at a man from a christian country and swearing him a christian. He is in fact only potentially a christian.
The difference between cars, knives, baseball bats, etc., and guns is that GUNS ARE MADE TO BE USED AS WEAPONS. Cars are made for transportation. Guns are made to be used as weapons. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else might use them for sports, by definition, their intended use is as a weapon.

Should we ban everything thing that CAN be used as a weapon? No. Should we ban things that are made to be used as weapons to kill or maim? Yes, we should.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#146230 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are talking a intended use, not intended design criteria.
I agree an assault weapon is manufactured as a weapon of war.
But you cannot assign an intended use for a potential civilian gun buyer.
You do not get to decide for them their reason , that's being disingenuous and fallacious.
The fact is a car could be bought to kill people , it is quite capable of mowing down lots of people. But then again maybe they are buying the car to have fun using it legally.
I beet you're good at dodging bullets, too.

You just can't admit that the primary and designed purpose of an assault weapon, no matter what it will actually be used for, is to kill people, can you?

If you want to consider your car analogy valid, then practically anything can be used, not for its designed purpose, but to kill people.

Your arguments are alarmingly weak.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#146231 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference between cars, knives, baseball bats, etc., and guns is that GUNS ARE MADE TO BE USED AS WEAPONS. Cars are made for transportation. Guns are made to be used as weapons. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else might use them for sports, by definition, their intended use is as a weapon.
Should we ban everything thing that CAN be used as a weapon? No. Should we ban things that are made to be used as weapons to kill or maim? Yes, we should.
That is only true with certain types and even then is an intent you do not get to establish. You can say it till you turn blue it wont change the fact a gun is only potentially a weapon.
If it is used for hunting it is not a weapon , it's a tool.

If you assign a gun a singular intended use then cars are weapons airplanes are weapons baseball bats are weapons and knives are weapons.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#146232 Jan 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I beet you're good at dodging bullets, too.
You just can't admit that the primary and designed purpose of an assault weapon, no matter what it will actually be used for, is to kill people, can you?
If you want to consider your car analogy valid, then practically anything can be used, not for its designed purpose, but to kill people.
Your arguments are alarmingly weak.
I said assault rifles are manufactured as weapons of war, but a civilian version is manufactured as any other gun and it's intended use can't be assigned
by anyone but the buyer.
War = killing other people yes.

My position is reality Aero , and you or any other cannot establish intent before the fact.

“I am but a humble duck.”

Since: Dec 12

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#146233 Jan 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That is only true with certain types and even then is an intent you do not get to establish. You can say it till you turn blue it wont change the fact a gun is only potentially a weapon.
If it is used for hunting it is not a weapon , it's a tool.
If you assign a gun a singular intended use then cars are weapons airplanes are weapons baseball bats are weapons and knives are weapons.
Guns are DEFINED as weapons. I don't care what you say, until you can somehow manage to get every credible definition to change this definition, they are weapons.

Cars/airplanes are defined as tools for transportation.

A baseball bat is an instrument to play a sport with.

Knives are tools commonly used to aid cooking, etc.

And guns are weapons.

Or does the meaning of words no longer matter?

Oh, and would you kindly list some guns that aren't weapons, if that only applies to certain kinds? Which kind of gun isn't designed to be used as a weapon?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146234 Jan 1, 2013
WesTheDuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Cute. Let's joke about killing foreigners now.
Foreigners?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#146235 Jan 1, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
Americans too
lol, there's the double pointers!

MexiCan AmeriCans

AfriCan AmeriCan

- my fav -

Can-adian AmeriCan

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