Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Since: Jul 12

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#142671 Dec 8, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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"Emotions" and "numbers" are both concepts.
Emotion is a state of the brain. Numbers are abstracts that relate to that which is countable. Emotions can be related with numbers too. A brain scan produces numbers which relate to brain states.
The point is, both are concepts, as you say, are are not provable by science.

Yet both exist.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#142672 Dec 8, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Have you?
I'm waiting to observe your point, if such a point exists.
Hey now....

Does the sign in you avatar point to the same place as the sign in my avatar?

Now that might be a point worth observing.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#142673 Dec 8, 2012
Faith in Science.

Alan Sokal, a physics professor at New York University. In 1996, Sokal submitted an article to Social Text, an academic journal of postmodern cultural studies.

The article "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity", published in the Social Text Spring/Summer 1996 "Science Wars" issue, proposed that quantum gravity is a social and linguistic construct.

Sokal wrote "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity", an article proposing that quantum gravity has progressive political implications, and that the "morphogenetic field" (characterized by Sokal as "a bizarre New Age concept due to Rupert Sheldrake"[2]) could be a cutting-edge theory of quantum gravity.

He concluded that, since "physical reality" is, at bottom, a social and linguistic construct, a "liberatory science" and an "emancipatory mathematics", spurning "the elite caste canon of 'high science'", must be established for a "postmodern science [that] provide[s] powerful intellectual support for the progressive political project".

The above material came from Wiki:

Like many other scientists, I was amused by news of the prank played by the NYU mathematical physicist Alan Sokal. Late in 1994 he submitted a sham article to the cultural studies journal Social Text, in which he reviewed some current topics in physics and mathematics, and with tongue in cheek drew various cultural, philosophical and political morals that he felt would appeal to fashionable academic commentators on science who question the claims of science to objectivity.

The editors of Social Text did not detect that Sokal's article was a hoax, and they published it in the journal's Spring/Summer 1996 issue.1 The hoax was revealed by Sokal in an article for another journal, Lingua Franca;2 he explained that his Social Text article had been "liberally salted with nonsense," and in his opinion was accepted only because "(a) it sounded good and (b) it flattered the editors' ideological preconceptions."

Newspapers and newsmagazines throughout the U.S. and Britain carried the story. Sokal's hoax may join the small company of legendary academic hoaxes, along with the pseudo-fossils of Piltdown man planted by Charles Dawson and the pseudo-Celtic epic Ossian written by James Macpherson.

The difference is that Sokal's hoax served a public purpose, to attract attention to what Sokal saw as a decline of standards of rigor in the academic community, and for that reason it was unmasked immediately by the author himself.

http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/weinberg.htm...

Eagle 12

How many other hoaxes have been printed in Scientific Journals and publications that have gone unclaimed? Alan Sokal proved that the Scientific community can be hoaxed. And that’s not saying much for the general population.

How about this one? The Emperors New Clothes, by Hans Christian Anderson.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#142674 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I couldn't handle his rantings. I made it to about the 3rd minute...
Do you wonder why you couldn't handle it?

Does that not seem strange to you?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#142675 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Bible doesn't need correction & is above your atheistic understanding.
Oh goody - the "secret decoder ring" apologetic. How unoriginal.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#142676 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The point is, both are concepts, as you say, are are not provable by science.
Yet both exist.
It is very difficult to explain the concept of concepts. Concepts or labels automatically exist as part of our brain states the moment they occur to us. So, the number 4, as a concept, exists in my brain as an arrangement of atoms. My arrangement of atoms corresponding to the number 4 is probably different than yours. To confuse the issue even further, at some point when I think about the number 4 again, that arrangement of atoms may be different than the previous arrangement of atoms, though both represent my conceptualization of the number 4. Concepts exist when they are conceptualized by us, but they aren't objectively real, or real on their own.

Emotions are scientifically demonstrable. We know emotions exist because we can f_ck with them and predict the effect.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#142677 Dec 8, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Hey now....
Does the sign in you avatar point to the same place as the sign in my avatar?
Now that might be a point worth observing.
I never got any farther than the volleyball court.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#142678 Dec 8, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Oh goody - the "secret decoder ring" apologetic. How unoriginal.
The higher order thinking of the modern day atheist has been technology-enhanced by recontextualize thematic synergies. Differentiated lessons bound by the holistic approaches to integrated functionalities. This triangulates to interfaces mission-critical metacognitive methodologies
models as previously operationalized.

Strategic interdisciplinaries can only be explained by life-long learning cross-curricular learning styles over-arching paradigms. In conclusion atheist will believe anything if their benchmark thinking deployed by disaggregate complexity.
Loren Eberly

Mansfield, OH

#142679 Dec 8, 2012
Planned Parenthood:

Nonunion workers, consumers, and taxpayers that believe it’s a sin to plan parenthood and get an agreement (union contract) with Government and every Employer; Agreeing to comply with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; Successfully reelected Obnoxious President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund nonunion parents that believe it’s a sin to plan parenthood and form or join a Labor Union that conceive 15 to 20 children (jobs), Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Fund County Commissioners granting Commissioners husband $660,000, Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands is bankrupting USA and won’t enable President Obama and Congress to avoid fiscal cliff or balance budget. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old. America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years. America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#142680 Dec 8, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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The higher order thinking of the modern day atheist has been technology-enhanced by recontextualize thematic synergies. Differentiated lessons bound by the holistic approaches to integrated functionalities. This triangulates to interfaces mission-critical metacognitive methodologies
models as previously operationalized.
Strategic interdisciplinaries can only be explained by life-long learning cross-curricular learning styles over-arching paradigms. In conclusion atheist will believe anything if their benchmark thinking deployed by disaggregate complexity.
You know if you'd stick a few VERBS in there you might at least make whole sentences.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#142681 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I couldn't handle his rantings. I made it to about the 3rd minute...
Because you can't handle the truth.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#142682 Dec 8, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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The higher order thinking of the modern day atheist has been technology-enhanced by recontextualize thematic synergies. Differentiated lessons bound by the holistic approaches to integrated functionalities. This triangulates to interfaces mission-critical metacognitive methodologies
models as previously operationalized.
Strategic interdisciplinaries can only be explained by life-long learning cross-curricular learning styles over-arching paradigms. In conclusion atheist will believe anything if their benchmark thinking deployed by disaggregate complexity.


More alphabet soup from duck12.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#142684 Dec 8, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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You know if you'd stick a few VERBS in there you might at least make whole sentences.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#142685 Dec 8, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>More alphabet soup from duck12.
I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit a more comprehensible post than the duck.

Since: Oct 12

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#142686 Dec 8, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>08Dec12.....
.....Wow!!!!
Ps:....Now dat's a berry goot explanation of why your friend has the 'best' bike....and it goes fast (as you said before' because it looks nice.
The engine-Size stuff is EveryDing.
Less than 500cc is considered small Stuff.
Forever and Ever
Bobloblah
Lol, don't take the piss, i'm learning stuff, it'll take time.

My cars 1.6, that means 1600cc, right? That's alot over 500cc, but it still aint that fast, motorbikes zoom pass me. Their engine must be like 10,000cc, right?

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#142687 Dec 8, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit a more comprehensible post than the duck.
It makes my brain hurt just trying to think down to its level.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#142688 Dec 8, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I never got any farther than the volleyball court.
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The last line is the best!

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#142690 Dec 8, 2012
You say it all the time, Christians believe in and worship Jesus you think in your sub 80 IQ mind that Catholics are not Christians. Again I didn't ask what church you attended but what brand of Christianity do you belong to? Why is this such a difficult question for you.

Remember you said in your own words. Catholics do not worship like WE do. Hence you were admitting to being part of a christian religion that worships differently than Catholics. Ok so what church do you align yourself with?

Stop being a dickless coward and answer the question.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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When have I ever once said that Catholics don't believe in Jesus?
Again, I don't go to church...

Since: Apr 11

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#142691 Dec 8, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Only on my Harley.
09Dec12.....

.....BobLoblah once had a contortionist girlFriend and just hadda wear a helmet in da sack.

Ps:.....BobLoblah got ridda dat von. Didn't wanna be 'tangled' up with'er any more....

.....'sides she both drank and stank like a fish.

Ah velll, easy come and easy go.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#142692 Dec 8, 2012
Yes Catholics are Christians. If someone of another faith becomes a Christian then guess what? They are now a Christian. It seems this concept is beyond your meager IQ.

As far as your other word salad goes, you as usual are wrong.
Darwin was an ape wrote:
<quoted text>So, please explain how it came about that Catholics all became Christians. I mean, some Jews, Muslims and Hindus became Christians. Not all Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists and Protestants are Christians, but you believe that all Catholics are Christians.
Where is this truth, since most South American Catholics adamantly protest that they are not Christians. They do not pray to him, they pray to Mary, Thomas, and many dead saints. Each one has a specific purpose. Golly Liberty, those folks even have their own Bible, altar and incense.

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