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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#140980 Nov 26, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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I was already confused, don't answer the question with a question, now i'm more confused, lol.
They have too many mental and emotional issues to be rational.

Clearer?:-)

Since: Oct 12

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#140981 Nov 26, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Religious belief itself is irrational.
If you evaluated all religious claims equally, you would find that no single religion boasted a more valid supernatural claim. You'd have to pick/choose/select based on some other criteria. For most people, the most important factor in choosing belief is convenience, which also includes early childhood enculturation. When you hear about Jesus all the time, the Jesus myth is the first you would think of adopting. It would also be readily available. People who have never heard of a specific god wouldn't adopt that god belief, even if that god belief was in many ways superior to the convenient store belief being sold a few miles from their home.
We can only accept/reject beliefs that we are aware of, and many people are just so quick to accept that it doesn't matter what the beliefs are, just that they are faith based and satisfy emotional needs.
But I heard about Jesus all the time, I didn't become a christian. I chose to believe the techings of guru nanak, eventhough I didn't know anything about him when I was a child.

I don't think it matters what your belief is, if that belief is making you a better human-being, then go for it. Well, that's what I think.

“Live Good, & Feel Good.”

Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#140982 Nov 26, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Why? Why did I not listen to Bobby Lobby lah and liberty guy?? I'm stupid that's why, but finally I've seen the light. Sorry guys, you were right!
Yeah, Jesus (God himself) couldn't make this many christians in his time, but I guess the christian missionaries are doing a better job than Jesus himself! God wasn't that omnipotent then, but he's getting there now! Congratulations, I'm sure Jesus is proud of those people who call themselves 'christians' these days.
what were the "guys" right about?

As I told you before, just because someone calls themselves a Christian, does not mean they know Jesus Christ. A spiritual indwelling is what is needed for someone to know Jesus Christ. A "Christian" without a spiritual connection to the Christ, only has a religion.

Christianity...saves no one. Only Jesus saves. Christianity is man-made. Jesus never called anyone to Christianity, Jesus called people to Him, that they may be saved.

Since: Oct 12

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#140983 Nov 26, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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It's not that there can't be "a" god, it's that any specific god claim should be backed up with evidence or considered and labeled as myth, to do otherwise is delusion. While delusion isn't always, or inherently, a bad thing, when the majority of the people are insane, then the sane people are at risk. The assertion follows that in a group of delusional people, one person will take it too far, but since the others cannot break that delusion they follow that one person ... and then you have Salem witchhunts or some other atrocity. The first sign of having a delusion is "knowing" something is real even when there is no solid and testable evidence. People say that soap operas are real life all the time, we treat them for their delusions, yet soap operas are real, and the actors are real, they have more evidence supporting their delusion than any religion does.
So atheists don't commit crimes? only religious people are evil?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#140984 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Doc, I was enjoying your message. I think you have a little bit of preach in you.
I posted three bizarre and ridiculous stories, one for each religion, Muslim, Mormon, and Christian. I asked you why your Christian story is any less bizarre and ridiculous than the other two. Why is one more believable than the others? All have a holy book swearing to its authenticity.

Since: Oct 12

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#140985 Nov 26, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Oh, ok, sorry hehehe!!
What u up too, eh?

confusing Eagle again? u confusing me, lol!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#140986 Nov 26, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Dave knows all abut sucking it deep.
I take it you don't like being called a shyster.

Understandable.

Why you resort to crudity instead of intellectual erudity. Shysters do that.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#140987 Nov 26, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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They have too many mental and emotional issues to be rational.
Clearer?:-)
Yh, thanks!:-)

Since: Nov 12

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#140988 Nov 26, 2012
What happened to the troll? I was having fun talking to him.

Since: Oct 12

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#140989 Nov 26, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>what were the "guys" right about?
As I told you before, just because someone calls themselves a Christian, does not mean they know Jesus Christ. A spiritual indwelling is what is needed for someone to know Jesus Christ. A "Christian" without a spiritual connection to the Christ, only has a religion.
Christianity...saves no one. Only Jesus saves. Christianity is man-made. Jesus never called anyone to Christianity, Jesus called people to Him, that they may be saved.
They said you were crazy and that I have more common sense than you, lol!

Hang on, in other post you said that christianity doesn't need me and is doing good without me, but now you're saying not every christian is a true believer in Jesus?

That's what I said, I believe in Jesus but not the bible.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#140990 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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If I had been raised a Mormon I would most likely would be a Mormon. Or if I had been raised a Buddhist than I would believe in Buddha.
Since I was exposed to both Christianity and Atheism. I reached out to God at an early age and found out God is real. How do I know? Well itís like this, I know beyond any doubt.
Over the years God has blessed me, give me direction, and God has spoken to me many times. Oh he doesnít have these long conversations with me. What he has to say he can say in just a few words.
I have seen his working of miracles first hand. I canít share them with you because of your unbelief. But I have seen many, real live miracles. One of them was my Brother, Mark.
He was a hopeless alcoholic with a extensive criminal record. He was also dangerous. One time the Houston SWAT Team had to go after him because he had taken a hostage with a pump shotgun.
Mark started drinking when he was 16 and didnít stop until he was 42. Doctor you have been around the block long enough to know how difficult it is for someone to stop an addiction. All I can say it was real bad. Mark was impossible to deal with.
He went to church one night and God delivered him of alcohol and drug abuse. Heís been drug and alcohol free for five years now. You would have to know and seen Mark from where he was to what he is today to understand.
God gave him a new life with a new beginning. Thatís something Atheism canít do for someone. How do I know God is real. Look at my Brother today. Heís clean and sober. Has a good job and goes to church regularly.
To bad neither you nor your brother had the inner strength to deal directly with your problems. One of the dangers of relying on an imaginary outside agent to guide you throughout adversity, is you don't learn to develop this inner strength. It's a crutch, a false sense of comfort, in the end it can only weaken you. Curled up in a ball whining for God to "please help me" instead of standing on your own two feet and facing the world like a man. You end up a whimpering child, begging your sky daddy to help and comfort you.

Since: Oct 10

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#140991 Nov 26, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Alcohol is a drug.
So is Aspirin.

Since: Oct 10

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#140992 Nov 26, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Surely you are not just an advocate of needless death and destruction as public policy.
It's the American way.

“lie2menomo”

Since: Jul 09

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#140993 Nov 26, 2012
prayer should be in school so chldren can be taught to open heart and soul to a higher power. They should be educated in religion and spiritual truth. That way they will have knowlege to choose thier faith when mature enough to understand truth from the word, or thier own experince. Not be subject to so much hate and confusion. They should be protected from ignorance of stupid people, allow them to be taught the history of presidents, wars, law and look at how confusing it is to us we can`t trust goverment and it is not because of religon,or race it is because ignorance. Learn about welfare, durg users, children who have never know trust or love. They can not even depend on a church, Look how they have even confused our faith and judgment. We should focus on every religon and faith right along with goverment and law. The truth will always lead to the word. Their is a Higher power.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#140994 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Do you use a bong?
You donít want to let any of that rich aroma escape. Suck it deep into the lungs for that transfer of carcinogens into the hemoglobin. Dope heads rule! Another way to say it is, sh** heads rule!
You do know that there are beneficial drugs,right? Morphine, Codeine, Oxycodone, etc are opiates. Just like Heroin is an opiate. You allow politicians to decide which drugs are good and which ones are bad. Seems a bit silly to me.

“Live Good, & Feel Good.”

Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#140995 Nov 26, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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They said you were crazy and that I have more common sense than you, lol!
Hang on, in other post you said that christianity doesn't need me and is doing good without me, but now you're saying not every christian is a true believer in Jesus?
That's what I said, I believe in Jesus but not the bible.
lol..that's typical of these atheists.

Well..Christianity is growing, which is good. But only Jesus really knows how many of these Christians are authentic Christians that have a spiritual relationship with Him...and who the false hypocritical Christians are that have fallen away or only have a title "christian", own a bible, and go to church.

You believe in Jesus? is Jesus your personal Lord and Savior and the only God you serve? or do you just believe in Jesus because of his teachings? they are not the same thing. Many people believe Jesus existed and agree with His teachings, but that alone does them no good.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#140996 Nov 26, 2012
movinon09 wrote:
<quoted text>To Aerobatty, Newbee.
OK. There is a reply button that when used will leave no doubt.

:-)

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#140997 Nov 26, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I take it you don't like being called a shyster.
Understandable.
Why you resort to crudity instead of intellectual erudity. Shysters do that.
Dave.

You posted to Aerobatty, chiding him for smoking pot, and sarcastically telling him to suck deep. Knowing of your cigarette smoking habit, I posted to you, suggesting the same.

No crudity. Just your dirty-old-man mind.

Can I help you with anything else?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#140998 Nov 26, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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But I heard about Jesus all the time, I didn't become a christian. I chose to believe the techings of guru nanak, eventhough I didn't know anything about him when I was a child.
I don't think it matters what your belief is, if that belief is making you a better human-being, then go for it. Well, that's what I think.
You're not like most people, Clementia.

That's a good thing.

:)
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#140999 Nov 26, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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LOL!!!
I live in England! It's REALLY not like that here. There are more atheists here than believers!
Ahh, I didn't know you lived in England. That changes things. Well, I'll just bugger off then...

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