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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140887 Nov 26, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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So your claim is that atheists can't be recovering alcoholics?
Seriously?
My claim is atheism can't turn a alcoholic or drug addict around.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#140888 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Doctor everyone of those people that died in the flood died because of unbelief. They all could have been saved but they refused to get inside the boat. It was all a big joke to them. Until it started to rain.
During 1969 a powerful hurricane hit Gulf Coast. It’s name was Camille. It was a category 5 hurricane. The actual wind speed is not known because it destroyed all the meteorological measuring equipment.
Hurricane Camille made landfall late on August 17 in and decimated Pass Christian, Mississippi, ground zero. Maximum wind speeds near the coastline are unknown, but gusts were estimated to have approached 200 mph (325 km/h).
Remember this location Doctor, Richelieu Manor Apartments in Pass Christian, Mississippi. Several people in the Apartments decided to have a hurricane party. Ignoring all the warnings from officials. These Apartments were located right on the coast.
The hurricane came in and wiped out the apartments. Only the foundation was left after the storm. People are stupid Doctor. They were stupid in Noah’s day and they’re stupid today. Unbelief killed those people in Noah’s day just like it did to those in the Richelieu Manor Apartments.
So your bible is metaphorical myth, we already knew this.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140889 Nov 26, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Even though the credit is his, he will always claim it was jesus and never have the pride he should have in himself.
That's a shame.
You most likely don’t know anything about alcoholism. It’s not a battle you win all by yourself.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140890 Nov 26, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
Verse 29 deals with the penalty phase. You play, you pay. The man must marry the damsel. There is a reason for this. She probably going to be pregnant. The father must work and provide support for the mother and child.
She may or may not be pregnant. The reason she is required to marry her rapist is that she is no longer a virgin, hence the father can get NOTHING for her, She becomes worthless. Nice how your God treat women isn't it. It's almost as though bronze age old men were writing the bible.(smiles)
Can you imagine a worse fate if you are a young, lets say a15 year old girl, and a filthy old man of 50, who's personal hygiene is nonexistent, decided she would make a wonderful sex toy for him, so he rapes her knowing full well he will possess her for all of his life. Meanwhile this poor girl has a young man whom she loves and he loves her. She must now abandon all hope of being with the man she loves and spend her life with this filthy old man who sexually abuses her every night. If you can't begin to understand how this would affect a young girl ask your wife how she would have felt has she been this young girl.
It's a never ending journey for you to try and rationalize these hideous edicts from your God. Try as you might, no one in their right mind would consider have a rape vicim marry her rapists with no possibility if divorce as a moral or humane law. GIVE IT UP!!!!
Doctor, it’s talking about two young lovers in the field. It comes down to a shotgun wedding.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140891 Nov 26, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
Verse 29 deals with the penalty phase.
Judges 21:10-24

No reverence to rape, None.

http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape...

The writer presumes to think for its readers, entering in opinions about just how bad of a crime rape really is. It says "How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me." Now, after butchering the English language, it again attacks the Bible using its own opinions, that the Bible condones rape, without looking at the actual text. Again it fails to realize that the Bible frequently tells stories of the Israelites' wrongful acts, but that by no means shows that the Bible is condoning what they are doing. Let's take at look at their so-called "examples":

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-Gilead (Judges 21. 10-24): First off I would like to ask a simple question: Where was the rape? It never says it outright in the verse, and therefore requires some very large assumptions from EvilBible in order to make this work for them, which they do without a thought. EB uses this syllogism: "The virgin's relatives were killed. The men who killed them took the virgins in. They got married, so it must have been equivalent to rape (notice EB also assumes the marriage was forced)" Syllogisms do not contain perfect logic, for example "fish can swim. I can swim. I must be a fish." Therefore, there is no reason to believe that this actually contained rape, let alone repeatedly. There were even regulations for how to deal with said regulation. Give them a peace offer (Deut 20.10-14). This verse even goes on to show how war captives were to be treated, as follows:
Provide them with housing (taking them in)
Allowing them 1 month to mourn.
Then allow marriage
If they divorce, no mistreatment.
Where's the rape? You should know by now.
2) Murder, rape, and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31.7-18): Almost the same thing as above. Again, they say "Clearly Moses approves of rape of virgins". Apparently EB sees the word virgin and immediately thinks rape. Rape, or even sex, is never mentioned in the entire verse. The process above still applies, as well.
3) More murder, rape, and pillage (Deuteronomy 20.10-14): Let's make a little checklist, shall we?
Murder: This is war, and peace was rejected, God even commanded to offer peace.
Rape: Still only says as much as the above two, rape's been inserted by EB.
Slavery: The word that here was translated as forced slavery can also be translated to simply mean work, which here could easily be a form of indentured servitude. Also, I already talked about how slavery in the Bible's time, not the same as America's early history: http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/slav...
4) Laws of rape (Deut 22.28-29): Here Mariano was a great resource by providing the etymology of the verse. The word used here, translated as rape, is the Hebrew word shakab, meaning lying down. Taphas is the Hebrew word for catching, handling, taking hold, and isn't used. If you look at most other translations it merely says "a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he lays hold of her and lies with her." Where in the verse does it say the intercourse was forced? The verse even ends with "and they were found". It doesn't say he was caught, THEY were caught. This shows that they were engaging in fornication, not rape. This made them have to get married because the woman was not even previously betrothed.
5) Death to the rape victim (Deut. 22. 23-24): Here it is interesting to note than EB has been citing the NLT, and now switches to the NAB for the remainder of the article. The NLT's verse is even farther away from citing rape, while the NAB is closer, and therefore suits EB's purpose, deliberate misinterpretation, better.

“Mercury bubbles blast!”

Since: Mar 11

Mercury

#140892 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Adam was just as real as you are. He was not only the first man but the very first biologist.
All numbers are synonymous with the number one. If you don’t have a one then there will be no numerical succession to follow.
You have a biblical name. It could be worse and you could have a Russian name like, Dumbshitsgy.
Adam is a fictional character in your mythology. He never existed.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#140893 Nov 26, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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I don't HAVE to do anything.
I choose to.
It's my morning guilty pleasure.
GFY
Morning?

Afternoon and evening, too, I am sure.

Pot, opium, hashish, and the sort deaden the brain to some sensory inputs, for normal people. It lets your mind go wandering off to think about other things. Builtin if you know how to shut the outside off, which you should learn after a while. You get stuck in that illusory world if you don't take a break from it.

Meth and cocaine give you a buzz that gets the brain in gear, elevating the electricity. Gives dummies the illusion they are smart, like middle aged pot heads. Problem is, it is like putting nitro fuel in a 1958 English Ford Anglia. It will run real peppy for a while. Plus you run so fast for the brain supplied, you miss things to the side.

So let me guess, you did cocaine, hit your limit, and now slip off into la la land to quiet the burned out neurons.

You ain't all there, Batty. Missing cylinders or something.

“Mercury bubbles blast!”

Since: Mar 11

Mercury

#140894 Nov 26, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Nah.
Pot works for some people. It's not necessarily a young thing. The other posters are naive.

“Mercury bubbles blast!”

Since: Mar 11

Mercury

#140895 Nov 26, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>huh?
That is like me saying someone that believes in capitalism practiced in the U.S is a socialist because they don't believe in the countries that practice socialism. So they are a socialist minus the capitalist country they believe in?
LOL...you atheists are a riot!
You know that America doesn't really practice capitalism, yeah?

“Mercury bubbles blast!”

Since: Mar 11

Mercury

#140896 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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My claim is atheism can't turn a alcoholic or drug addict around.
Atheism can help people stop hurting themselves through religion and religious guilt.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#140897 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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You most likely don’t know anything about alcoholism. It’s not a battle you win all by yourself.
No, you win it with sober friends. In the shelters I was one such "call person" for many alcoholics and recovering addicts of various sources, because I don't, and have never, had any of those problems. So I know how to find ways to avoid that "scene" with ease. The success of an addict depends entirely on two things:

1. The network of friends who they can contact to avoid situations that compromise their sobriety.

2. The sheer willpower and desire to stop.

No god gives them more strength than they can find in themselves. Beliefs hinder sobriety because they tell the person they are weak and incapable, which is exactly what they do not need. I helped three women become not only clean and sober, but successful in life, just by being there. Sadly I was unable to help them all, but my personal success rate is higher than the local AA/NA programs.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#140898 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Judges 21:10-24
No reverence to rape, None.
http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape...
Christians displaying their hypocrisy again. It's an "attack" when we show you what it really says, but it's not an "attack" when you use what it says to belittle other people.

“Live Good, & Feel Good.”

Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#140899 Nov 26, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You know that America doesn't really practice capitalism, yeah?
Capitalism is an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit.[1] Other elements central to capitalism include competitive markets and capital accumulation.
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last time I checked almost all businesses in the U.S are privately owned and are for profit.

Just because Wall Street crashed and the government had to bail out a few bank and investment firms, didn't change much.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#140900 Nov 26, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>Capitalism is an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit.[1] Other elements central to capitalism include competitive markets and capital accumulation.
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last time I checked almost all businesses in the U.S are privately owned and are for profit.
Just because Wall Street crashed and the government had to bail out a few bank and investment firms, didn't change much.
Actually, in the US, because of oppressive copyright laws for one thing, we are Corporatist now. The bailouts are part of that corporatism as well. But corporatism is a spin off of capitalism.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#140901 Nov 26, 2012
Nearly half of fertilised embryos just don't make it so your god is by far the biggest abortionist of all.
Eagle12 wrote:
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Thank you for that twisted and demented version of our God. Just for the record rape was and is an illegal act. Oh, and God never aborted babies. If you are referring miscarriages that is not the same as an intentional abortion.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#140902 Nov 26, 2012
Depends how weak willed or dependent you are. Alcohol affects people very differently.

Alcoholics tend to be only slight less boring and self obsessed than born agains.
Eagle12 wrote:
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You most likely don’t know anything about alcoholism. It’s not a battle you win all by yourself.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#140903 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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My claim is atheism can't turn a alcoholic or drug addict around.
I've known numerous nonbelievers who have turned their lives around without the aid of divine intervention. No "miracles" were required or needed, just firm determination.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#140904 Nov 26, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Vaporize, baby. Vaporize.
Vaporizers rule!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#140905 Nov 26, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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And you never will be able to say it. That's because the war on drugs is a failure. But it's not just a failure. It's been a quagmire that has cost this country more than I can possibly list. It certainly hasn't done anything to quell drug use. It's higher than ever. Wasn't that the point? FAIL.
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If we abruptly decriminalized all narcotics, drug lords and gangs would be upset. They might revolt. So? Are they an unstoppable force? Don't we want to arrest them? They're the real criminals. Let them get pissed off, or adapt, or whatever.
It wouldn't be a benefit to them. They can only operate and turn a profit because narcotics are illegal. The war on drugs created them, and keeps them in business.
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They will do that regardless of whether drugs are illegal or not. If you're willing to inject yourself with a dangerous drug, how worried are you about jail? I'd estimate that your thoughts are elsewhere.
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It's just like getting addicted to tobacco, similar to gambling addiction, and I've never heard of an addiction to video games. That's an obsession or manifestation of some other problem.
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I don't think Jesus would be with you on this.
Where do you get your morals from?
I.......

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#140906 Nov 26, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Because you're an alcoholic?
I'm just guessing, put down the broken bottle.
It's okay...it's okay.
Calm. Breath.
Golly gee. I can't say "beer" without being called an alcoholic....

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