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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140849 Nov 26, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have to smoke weed at your age now as a thinking enhancer, then you are both. Which means you are useless.
Smoke a joint and think about it.
Dope is for losers. Arobatty should give the dope up and do something with his life.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140850 Nov 26, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
So this invisible silent entity just picked you out as special, kinda like a lottery win.
I guess Hindus, Muslims, Non religious, Buddists, and other people born in the wrong place and time, their damnation is assured. And you believe that????
Adam, you have the oldest name in all the earth.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#140851 Nov 26, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, I'll srop. But first I wanna know which IRA you're talking about.
The original IRA
The Irish Republican Army
The Official IRA
The Provisional IRA
The Continuity IRA
The Real IRA
???
'cuz what I can tell is that they're an IRISH army. Which has absolutely nothing to do with me....
Maybe it's you that's been funding them.
Choose any, all the same, they just can’t agree who is boss, more splinter groups, more mayhem. It’s the christian way, hence the 38,000+ sects of christianity.

Noraid helped finance them all, they were not particular who took US dollars to kill brits. You can shrug your shoulders like a good christian but noraid collections were carried out by Americans in and around christian congregations in America and still you have not admitted or denied donating funds the Noraid

What have you got to be ashamed of?

What are you frightened of?

You either did not donate to noraid, in which case question answered.

Or you did donate to noraid and are too ashamed to admit that you are at least partially responsible for financing terrorism and murder.

Your continues refusal to give a direct answer only aggravates suspicion.

Honey bitch, your attempted sarcasm does not fall well on one who has been injured by the ira, basically it’s just a sick attempt at humour that shows you to be the ignorant moron you are.
dr of history

United States

#140852 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Adam, you have the oldest name in all the earth.
Not quite my fine feathered friend.The adam and eve story is a rehashed story from the sumerian culture from thousands of years before the bible creation story.Did you know that 99% of the storys in the old testiment are coppied from the sumerian writings? Yes the sumerians live on the tenth planet in our universe.Scientiest have just recently discovered there is a tenth planet by detcteing a fait glimmar of it. The ancient sumerian writings have the entire solar system mapped out thousands of years before the telescope. They call eart the seventh planet which would be the seventh if you were traveling towards the sun from the outside.They tweeked the cave man dna to create the modern man that can communicate with eachother and understand complex problems.Ya see they needed slaves to work in the gold mines on earth for their planet.Their humanoids were getting tired of doing it and rebeled so they created modern man for the task. Look up the sumerian alien connection if you doubt me. Thank you.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140853 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t think I have ever seen an angel. I’m pretty sure my wife has on two occasions and possibly three. Neither story you would believe so I won’t bother you with it.
I had to take Greek Mythology in Jr. High School. That was one time in my life I embraced atheism. At least when it came that ridiculous nonsense we were forced to learn in school.
All I can tell you is that I’m 100% sure that my God is real. No illusions and no fantasy, he is real to me and that’s what counts. You don’t believe ok, no problem for me.
I was a emergency responder and incident commander for 32 years. In our training we were taught to always save ourselves first. Then our fellow responders second. Third, all others if they can be saved.
My concern, when it comes to salvation, is for myself and my family. You my good Doctor, don’t believe and don’t want to be saved. You Sir, are know in the Christian community as a “DNR.” And that acronym stands for,“Do Not Rescue.”
We are not talking about a physical rescue but salvation in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would love to have you join us in heaven but you have made your decision.
[tipping hat]
Imagine that I tell you the following story:

I was in my room one night.
Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright.
Next thing I know there is an angel in my room.
He tells me an amazing story.
He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York.
On them are the books of a lost race of Jewish people who inhabited North America.
These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people.
Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home.
Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them.
Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again.
I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of Jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago.
And the resurrected Jesus came and visited these people!
I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven.
Now, what would you say to me about this story? Even though I do have a book, in English, that tells the story of this lost Jewish civilization, and even though I do have the signed attestations, what do you think? This story sounds nutty, doesn't it?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#140854 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Adam, you have the oldest name in all the earth.
Adam was a fictional character. Without a fall of man, you have no need for a redemption. The christian theology disproved in a single post.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#140855 Nov 26, 2012
dr of history wrote:
<quoted text>They tweeked the cave man dna to create the modern man that can communicate with eachother and understand complex problems.Ya see they needed slaves to work in the gold mines on earth for their planet.
Based on what evidence. Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory to me.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140856 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t think I have ever seen an angel. I’m pretty sure my wife has on two occasions and possibly three. Neither story you would believe so I won’t bother you with it.
I had to take Greek Mythology in Jr. High School. That was one time in my life I embraced atheism. At least when it came that ridiculous nonsense we were forced to learn in school.
All I can tell you is that I’m 100% sure that my God is real. No illusions and no fantasy, he is real to me and that’s what counts. You don’t believe ok, no problem for me.
I was a emergency responder and incident commander for 32 years. In our training we were taught to always save ourselves first. Then our fellow responders second. Third, all others if they can be saved.
My concern, when it comes to salvation, is for myself and my family. You my good Doctor, don’t believe and don’t want to be saved. You Sir, are know in the Christian community as a “DNR.” And that acronym stands for,“Do Not Rescue.”
We are not talking about a physical rescue but salvation in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would love to have you join us in heaven but you have made your decision.
[tipping hat]
A man was sitting in a cave minding his own business.
A very bright flash of light appeared.
A voice spoke out one word: "Read!" The man felt like he was being squeezed to death. This happened several times.
Then the man asked, "What should I read?"
The voice said, "Read in the name of your Lord who created humans from a clinging [zygote]. Read for your Lord is the most generous. He taught people by the pen what they didn't know before."
The man ran home to his wife.
While running home, he saw the huge face of an angel in the sky. The angel told the man that he was to be the messenger of God. The angel also identified himself as Gabriel.
At home that night, the angel appeared to the man in his dreams.
Gabriel appeared to the man over and over again. Sometimes it was in dreams, sometimes during the day as "revelations in his heart," sometimes preceded by a painful ringing in his ears (and then the verses would flow from Gabriel right out of the man), and sometimes Gabriel would appear in the flesh and speak. Scribes wrote down everything the man said.
Then, one night about 11 years after the first encounter with Gabriel, Gabriel appeared to the man with a magical horse. The man got on the horse, and the horse took him to Jerusalem. Then the winged horse took the man up to the seven layers of heaven. The man was able to actually see heaven and meet and talk with people there. Then Gabriel brought the man back to earth.
The man proved that he had actually been to Jerusalem on the winged horse by accurately answering questions about buildings and landmarks there.
The man continued receiving the revelations from Gabriel for 23 years, and then they stopped. All of the revelations were recorded by the scribes in a book which we still have today.
[Source: "Understanding Islam" by Yahiya Emerick, Alpha press, 2002]
dr of history

United States

#140857 Nov 26, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on what evidence. Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory to me.
Anicent sumerian writings my friend. Years before the bible.The bible does not have one known author.the sumerian layout of the solar system proves their knowledge.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140858 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t think I have ever seen an angel. I’m pretty sure my wife has on two occasions and possibly three. Neither story you would believe so I won’t bother you with it.
I had to take Greek Mythology in Jr. High School. That was one time in my life I embraced atheism. At least when it came that ridiculous nonsense we were forced to learn in school.
All I can tell you is that I’m 100% sure that my God is real. No illusions and no fantasy, he is real to me and that’s what counts. You don’t believe ok, no problem for me.
I was a emergency responder and incident commander for 32 years. In our training we were taught to always save ourselves first. Then our fellow responders second. Third, all others if they can be saved.
My concern, when it comes to salvation, is for myself and my family. You my good Doctor, don’t believe and don’t want to be saved. You Sir, are know in the Christian community as a “DNR.” And that acronym stands for,“Do Not Rescue.”
We are not talking about a physical rescue but salvation in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would love to have you join us in heaven but you have made your decision.
[tipping hat]
What do you make of this story? If you have never heard the story before, you may find it to be nonsensical in the same way that you feel about the stories of the golden plates and Santa. You would especially feel that way once you read the book that was supposedly transcribed from Gabriel, because much of it is opaque. The dreams, the horse, the angel, the ascension, and the appearances of the angel in the flesh -- you would dismiss them all because it is all imaginary.
But you need to be careful. This story is the foundation of the Muslim religion, practiced by more than a billion people around the world. The man is named Mohammed, and the book is the Koran (also spelled Qur'an or Qur'aan). This is the sacred story of the Koran's creation and the revelation of Allah to mankind.
Despite the fact that a billion Muslims profess some level of belief in this story, people outside the Muslim faith consider the story to be imaginary. No one believes this story because this story is a fairy tale. They consider the Koran to be a book written by a man and nothing more. A winged horse that flew to heaven? That is imaginary -- as imaginary as flying reindeer.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140859 Nov 26, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
Imagine that I tell you the following story:
I was in my room one night.
Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright.
Next thing I know there is an angel in my room.
He tells me an amazing story.
He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York.
On them are the books of a lost race of Jewish people who inhabited North America.
These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people.
Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home.
Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them.
Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again.
I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of Jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago.
And the resurrected Jesus came and visited these people!
I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven.
Now, what would you say to me about this story? Even though I do have a book, in English, that tells the story of this lost Jewish civilization, and even though I do have the signed attestations, what do you think? This story sounds nutty, doesn't it?
Your story is hypothetical and you don’t believe it.

Well if you don’t believe how in the hell do you expect me to believe it?
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140861 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t think I have ever seen an angel. I’m pretty sure my wife has on two occasions and possibly three. Neither story you would believe so I won’t bother you with it.
I had to take Greek Mythology in Jr. High School. That was one time in my life I embraced atheism. At least when it came that ridiculous nonsense we were forced to learn in school.
All I can tell you is that I’m 100% sure that my God is real. No illusions and no fantasy, he is real to me and that’s what counts. You don’t believe ok, no problem for me.
I was a emergency responder and incident commander for 32 years. In our training we were taught to always save ourselves first. Then our fellow responders second. Third, all others if they can be saved.
My concern, when it comes to salvation, is for myself and my family. You my good Doctor, don’t believe and don’t want to be saved. You Sir, are know in the Christian community as a “DNR.” And that acronym stands for,“Do Not Rescue.”
We are not talking about a physical rescue but salvation in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would love to have you join us in heaven but you have made your decision.
[tipping hat]
God inseminated a virgin named Mary, in order to bring his son incarnate into our world.
Mary and her fiancé, Joseph, had to travel to Bethlehem to register for the census. There Mary gave birth to the Son of God.
God put a star in the sky to guide people to the baby.
In a dream God told Joseph to take his family to Egypt. Then God stood by and watched as Herod killed thousands and thousands of babies in Israel in an attempt to kill Jesus.
As a man, God's son claimed that he was God incarnate: "I am the way, the truth and the life," he said.
This man performed many miracles. He healed lots of sick people. He turned water into wine. These miracles prove that he is God.
But he was eventually given the death sentence and killed by crucifixion.
His body was placed in a tomb.
But three days later, the tomb was empty.
And the man, alive once again but still with his wounds (so anyone who doubted could see them and touch them), appeared to many people in many places.
Then he ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of God the father almighty, never to be seen again.
Today you can have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. You can pray to this man and he will answer your prayers. He will cure your diseases, rescue you from emergencies, help you make important business and family decisions, comfort you in times of worry and grief, etc.
This man will also give you eternal life, and if you are good he has a place for you in heaven after you die.
The reason we know all this is because, after the man died, four people named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote accounts of the man's life. Their written attestations are proof of the veracity of this story.

Do you see ANy similarities to these three stories? Why is one more real than the others?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#140862 Nov 26, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>If you have to smoke weed at your age now as a thinking enhancer, then you are both. Which means you are useless.

Smoke a joint and think about it.
I don't HAVE to do anything.

I choose to.

It's my morning guilty pleasure.

GFY

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#140863 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>Dope is for losers. Arobatty should give the dope up and do something with his life.
Nah.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#140864 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>Adam, you have the oldest name in all the earth.
<snicker>
Anon

Cleveland, OH

#140865 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dope is for losers. Arobatty should give the dope up and do something with his life.
I assume you've never smoked marijuana, so I'll state this as succinctly as possible. Weed is not a big deal. It's a pleasant little diversion, nothing more. It's notoriety is completely overblown.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#140866 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>“If you're going to critique somebody else's writing.”

Homey, take a junior college course on writing and basic sentence structure. In fact you and Catcher would both being doing yourself a favor by learning how to write. Neither one of you write worth a sh**.
I can't tell you how much that means to me coming from you.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140867 Nov 26, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your story is hypothetical and you don’t believe it.
Well if you don’t believe how in the hell do you expect me to believe it?
It's a story NO different that that of Christianity. It what the Mormon religion is based on. If there story is "hypothetical" why isn't your story of christianity?

“Live Good, & Feel Good.”

Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#140868 Nov 26, 2012
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
What? I told you myself I was an atheist to your belief!!
If you believe God is our father and he loves us all, then whatever he does we should accept that as good for us. If he gives us happiness we should thank him and if he gives us pain we should also think of him.
The true saints of God are never touched by greed, pleasure, pain etc.. only us fools are. We are too obsessed with material things, we f*ckin cry when our car gets a scratch. Also, we get too blumin excited with even a little bit of pleasure and then we cry on little things, but the saints don't because they are the God-conscious beings.
God is Omnipotent!!!!!!
I would rather believe in no God, than believe the evil God you do!!!
You can't believe God is Omnipotent. You're lying to yourself.

You said you believe some of the bible. So what you're saying is, God is NOT Omnipotent enough to to make sure what mankind wrote in the books of the bible is true and authentic. And God is NOT Omnipotent enough to make sure only the books included in the bible are authentic and disregard the books that are false.

You're saying God is not Omnipotent enough to accomplish those two things because you only believe SOME of the bible.

I could not care less what God you believe in. You reject the God of Christianity Jesus Christ...you're not hurting me "Clementia". Christianity is doing quite well without you. No one is putting a gun to your head to worship Jesus Christ as God.

All I'm saying is your mental position of believing some of the bible, and not all of it, is contradictory to your claim that God is Omnipotent.

If God is Omnipotent, then you must believe all of the bible, and not some. Because if you believe only some, what you're saying is God was not strong enough to make sure His creation mankind wrote what God wanted to reveal, and God is not strong enough to make sure mankind only included authentic books of the bible in the bible.

You want to have it both ways, God is Omnipotent, and you believe only some of the bible. You can't have it both ways, and you're lying to yourself.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#140869 Nov 26, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Adam was a fictional character. Without a fall of man, you have no need for a redemption. The christian theology disproved in a single post.
Adam was just as real as you are. He was not only the first man but the very first biologist.

All numbers are synonymous with the number one. If you don’t have a one then there will be no numerical succession to follow.

You have a biblical name. It could be worse and you could have a Russian name like, Dumbshitsgy.

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