Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#140479 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You have zero understanding of medical sciences. I do mean zero.
Your mind is detached from the real world.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#140480 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nope. It was your precious modern medicine that did her in, just like thousands of other people every year.
"The Zhan and Miller study supported the Institute of Medicine's 1999 report conclusion, which found that medical errors caused up to 98,000 deaths annually and should be considered a national epidemic."
I hope your doctors will come back to God. Through God there is knowledge.
So, instead of fewer people dying of medical mistakes, you want more people to die without medicine. Good call.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#140481 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God allows us to do what we want to do & make our own choices in life...
.....
Then why the commandments in the first place?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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...
In the history of slavery (which is still going on today), not everyone that could own a slave did own a slave.
So, because not everybody can afford a slave that makes it alright?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#140482 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, you post a blog that's worded just like a conspiracy theorist and actually think that's evidence? You standards of evidence are too low, try raising them to a sane level.
So tell me, how many times have you been shot or stabbed in the last week? Month? Year? What about your whole life? Anything?
Cars stolen 3 times.
Carjacked.
Shit at.
Assaulted several times.
Arrested.
Robbed.
Identity theft once.
Animals assaulted.
Workplace robbed at gunpoint.

And that's just lil ole me....

Ya, Koder. Times are wonderful these days. Sooooo mich better.....

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#140483 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No ones justifying slavery, you nitwit. It's a part of our history. All of us, all humans in all civilizations.
You just did:-
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God allows us to do what we want to do & make our own choices in life...
In the history of slavery (which is still going on today), not everyone that could own a slave did own a slave.

Since: Sep 11

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#140484 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You didn't actually mean to type that, right?
So, you agree with the war on drugs then? You think that we should continue to stuff our prisons far past capacity in order to make way for people who got caught with some pot or some coke? You think that we should ruin lives and brand people as felons for the rest of their lives because they had, or have a drug habit? You think that using drugs make you a criminal?

So, yeah, I meant to type that. We shouldn't be feeding the prison industrial complex with a steady supply of so called "criminals," who did nothing more than attempt to change their state of mind, something that, in a civilized society, would be considered absurd. We shouldn't continue to waste taxpayer money to keep these guys locked away - we shouldn't be forced to pay the ever increasing costs (prison construction, room and board, correction officer salaries, police expenses etc) of a never ending, draconian drug war. We shouldn't have to tolerate SWAT teams breaking into houses in the middle of the night and terrorizing, and often times murdering people whose only crime was the possession of plants or chemicals. And let's not even get into all the times they somehow manage to break into the wrong house and murder some random guy.

Here is your drug war in action - and keep in mind, this is one of the more mild scenarios, it could have been A LOT worse.



All for some weed. From what I've heard, the guy wasn't even a dealer, some random asshole ratted him out to avoid a charge. He just had some weed, and they shot his dogs in front of his small child. Armed, armored men with assault rifles and military grade supplies broke into a family home in the middle of the night and terrorized them. That's your drug war. And remember, much worse things have happened, and continue to happen under the guise of "protecting us from drugs."

You know what would end many of the problems associated with drug use? End the drug war. Legalize everything. Poof. There goes the black market, and with it much of the robbery, murder, and overall crime that is so often associated with drugs. If people can get their drugs from legit sources, the black market would have no reason to exist. Our "war" only perpetuates the black market, it creates the high profit margins and cutthroat business practices that go along with drug dealing. Of course, we would also need to offer rehabilitation to addicts instead of tossing them into prison - that doesn't solve anything, that just gives you an older crack addict once he gets out. If we help them rather than throwing them away, we mitigate some of the social problems associated with use.

Since: Sep 11

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#140485 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yup. But you obviously missed the context of our discussion.
Nope. You were chastising her for being poor, for some reason, and then you proceeded to brag about all your cool toys. So, what'd I miss? I don't think you're going to heaven man. Jesus would be so upset with you. "Eye of the needle" and all that.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#140486 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There's something sweet & innocent about the good ole days.
But ok, go hurt some gays.
Yeah. Segregation, lynchings, rampant homophobia, hate crimes, illiteracy, disease, religious intolerance, and worst of all, no xboxes. Sounds GREAT.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#140487 Nov 24, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The immoral instruction like:
1.) How much you should pay for a slave.
2.) How long they can be kept as a slave.
3.) How to mark them as your property.
4.) How severely you may beat the with a rod.
5.) Under what circumstance you may keep a young virgin for yourself.
6.) How a young vicim is required to marry her rapists with no possibility of divorce.
Thats good for starters!!!!
They,,,,,,,,,well any rational, clear thinking, logical, intelligent human. Count yourself OUT!!!!
1. Irrelevant, I don't want and can't own a slave.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Irrelevant.
4. Irrelevant.
5. As long as she wants to stay with me.
6. Irrelevant.

Boy, wonderful starter. Why don't you try applying some real-life "immoral" instructions?

You can't fathom that the words written in Leviticus are NOT Christain law, can you?

The Levites had problems, believe it or not after they attained these rules, they got much better.

Deal with it. Don't be mad that you can't own a slave like your granddaddy did.

Since: Sep 11

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#140488 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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All relative & opinionated.
WTF? Do you know what an opinion is?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#140489 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, instead of fewer people dying of medical mistakes, you want more people to die without medicine. Good call.
Nope. I'd like morons like you to not have so much faith in your failing doctors.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140490 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Cohen huh? I have to LOL at that idiotic phrase.
What "whiff" of science has destroys (sic) God?
Answer: none. You athitards have been trying for 2,000 years....
Here, see if you can deal with this: Science can examine and test everything that is REAL, ever wonder why science can't examine or test your God? As far as science is concerned, your god is only something imagined. Not only science fails to support your God, you are just as likely to destroy you God because you also have no support for this God thing. You're not able to define it in the simplest of terms. You have no idea of any physical attributes it has. You have no idea of it's present location. Everything you have to support your God is imaginary, not one shred of physical evidence do you have. Yes yes, I know, God is beyond the physical, he is beyond our understand, he is beyond time and space, yes I've heard it all. If you God is beyond human understanding, beyond time and space, is NOT physical, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know anything about him, other than what you Theists have conjured up in your imaginations.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#140491 Nov 24, 2012
Serah wrote:
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Christians dear blacklagoon, Christians..... why do you atheists think you can shove our scriptures down our throats while you prove you know nothing?
....
It's your book myths. You are just upset that we know more about it than you.
Serah wrote:
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....
Show us the Scriptures where Jesus told anyone to whip anyone..... I know you can't, just hope you have some fun trying LOL
Show us where he spoke out against slavery?

Apparently it was more important to get people drunk.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#140492 Nov 24, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
Then why the commandments in the first place?
The Ten Commandments define God's idea of perfection, they provide a moral code for governing our lives.
So, because not everybody can afford a slave that makes it alright?
Why would you think that? I guess maybe done, but there are others that refuse to own slaves, whether its legal or not. US slave history is a perfect example of that.

Since: Sep 11

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#140493 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You don't look at actual statistics, do you?
The problem is he's not accurate, correct but not accurate. The offenses being drug related can still include homicides and other violent crimes. Most drug charges are "asides" to the actual charges of theft and more serious crimes as well. However, if the drug problem was cut down, then most of the offenses would likely vanish as well.
Here's a good analysis of the numbers, if you can understand them at all:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/dcf/duc.cfm
I got my information from this:

On September 30, 2010, federal prisons held 190,641 inmates. Of these, 97,472 were serving time for drug offenses, 14,830 for violent offenses, 11,264 for property offenses, and 65,873 for "public order" offenses (which include immigration and weapons violations).

But then I realized that was only counting federal prisons. So I think this would be a better assessment of "pure" drug charges.

(US Drug Prisoners) "The United States leads the world in the number of people incarcerated in federal and state correctional facilities. There are currently more than 2 million people in American prisons or jails. Approximately one-quarter of those people held in U.S. prisons or jails have been convicted of a drug offense. The United States incarcerates more people for drug offenses than any other country. With an estimated 6.8 million Americans struggling with drug abuse or dependence, the growth of the prison population continues to be driven largely by incarceration for drug offenses."

Source: Justice Policy Institute, "Substance Abuse Treatment and Public Safety," (Washington, DC: January 2008), p. 1.
http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/08...

You correctly noted that many people are in jail for charges that are directly related to addicts doing something illegal to get money for drugs. This issue would be reduced if we offered rehabilitation instead of prison.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#140494 Nov 24, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
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You just did:-
<quoted text>
I missed something, how was my comment condoning slavery?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#140495 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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My God you're an assumptive one...
When did I say that I wish for a time before technology? I said its all relative.
When have I suggested that I deny science & technology? I haven't.
As I said, make up YOUR mind.
How are crime statistics relative? Did people used to enjoy the threat of murder and rape?
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#140496 Nov 24, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No ones justifying slavery, you nitwit. It's a part of our history. All of us, all humans in all civilizations.
Maybe humans followed your Gods advice and kept slaves because god said it was ok.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#140497 Nov 24, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So, you agree with the war on drugs then? You think that we should continue to stuff our prisons far past capacity in order to make way for people who got caught with some pot or some coke? You think that we should ruin lives and brand people as felons for the rest of their lives because they had, or have a drug habit? You think that using drugs make you a criminal?
So, yeah, I meant to type that. We shouldn't be feeding the prison industrial complex with a steady supply of so called "criminals," who did nothing more than attempt to change their state of mind, something that, in a civilized society, would be considered absurd. We shouldn't continue to waste taxpayer money to keep these guys locked away - we shouldn't be forced to pay the ever increasing costs (prison construction, room and board, correction officer salaries, police expenses etc) of a never ending, draconian drug war. We shouldn't have to tolerate SWAT teams breaking into houses in the middle of the night and terrorizing, and often times murdering people whose only crime was the possession of plants or chemicals. And let's not even get into all the times they somehow manage to break into the wrong house and murder some random guy.
Here is your drug war in action - and keep in mind, this is one of the more mild scenarios, it could have been A LOT worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6b-67q0vlCwXX
All for some weed. From what I've heard, the guy wasn't even a dealer, some random asshole ratted him out to avoid a charge. He just had some weed, and they shot his dogs in front of his small child. Armed, armored men with assault rifles and military grade supplies broke into a family home in the middle of the night and terrorized them. That's your drug war. And remember, much worse things have happened, and continue to happen under the guise of "protecting us from drugs."
You know what would end many of the problems associated with drug use? End the drug war. Legalize everything. Poof. There goes the black market, and with it much of the robbery, murder, and overall crime that is so often associated with drugs. If people can get their drugs from legit sources, the black market would have no reason to exist. Our "war" only perpetuates the black market, it creates the high profit margins and cutthroat business practices that go along with drug dealing. Of course, we would also need to offer rehabilitation to addicts instead of tossing them into prison - that doesn't solve anything, that just gives you an older crack addict once he gets out. If we help them rather than throwing them away, we mitigate some of the social problems associated with use.
Legalize all drugs? Are you out of your mind? Just legalizing pot is a problem. Driving while high causes more deaths each year than driving while drunk!

Why take the easy, stupid road? The answer is to eliminate all drugs & all drug use. Sure, sounds like an impossible task & it just might be. Especially with sympathetic idiots like you out there trying to make drugs legal.

Just wait until your robbed by some low-life meth head, then see if you still accept that drugs users, abusers & dealers should not be in jail.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#140498 Nov 24, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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It is up to you to tell someone of faith what they can believe? And Christians have to abide by what you tell them?
You’re authorized to redefine the battery limits of morality?
Your view supersedes the Word of God?
How is the religious right discriminating against people? By our individual right to vote how we choose? Because we choose to vote opposite from you, we are to be ashamed?
Tim, you don’t want to live in a democracy. You want to live in a dictatorship. Sir, you will not take away my freedom.
"Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!"
Patrick Henry
[On that day, at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia, and is credited with having swung the balance in convincing the Virginia House of Burgesses to pass a resolution delivering the Virginia troops to the Revolutionary War. Among the delegates to the convention were future US Presidents Thomas Jefferson and George Washington].
Again, you are ridiculous. You cannot invoke "religious freedom" to discriminate against people. Your religion is not sacred. You are not free to hide under the guise of religion to justify your bigotry.

I ask you again, would you defend a christian man who claimed religious freedom in his hatred of blacks, or in beating his wife?

And stop grandstanding. It is futile in the face of the atheist war machine anyway. I told you, we have those gas chambers primed and ready for the purge. It's coming. You've been right - every time you wondered if we were planning a war against your brethren.

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