Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Drew Smith]

Clementia wrote:

i believe all that but i can't understand how it could just happen on it's own.

So if it didn't happen on its own, how did it happen?

If you say that a "god" did it, then how did a "god" come into existence on its own?

[Tide with Beach]

Clementia wrote:

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r u serious?

Why is it so hard to believe?

[Clementia]

Drew Smith wrote:

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What is delusional (and often dangerous) is believing that a supernatural, invisible skydaddy magically "poofed" everything into existence in a period of 6 days and then required sacrificing himself to himself in order to prevent himself from committing further genocide against his creations.
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And how does science disprove any of that?

I understand what your saying, some things written in religious books don't make sense!!

I don't agree with the above either, but i also don't agree with atheists when they say the world just created itself.

[Givemeliberty]

Get make with he in a sauna after a few glasses of wine and find out.

Let me watch.

:getting the popcorn:

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Clementia wrote:

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r u serious?

[Clementia]

Drew Smith wrote:

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So if it didn't happen on its own, how did it happen?
If you say that a "god" did it, then how did a "god" come into existence on its own?

Sikhi also asks the same question; "How did u create yourself?"

God is some kind of energy or something like that, i'm waiting for science to figure it out!

How many times do i have to tell u, dear?? huh, how many? God is NOT an old man with a long white beard sitting on a cloud!!!!

[Clementia]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Get make with he in a sauna after a few glasses of wine and find out.
Let me watch.
:getting the popcorn:
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what? get in sauna with who?

i aint gay, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!! not that i have a problem with tam if she is!

[Givemeliberty]

Go is a work of fiction. Discuss it with Tam in a sauna after some wine she will explain it to you.

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Clementia wrote:

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Sikhi also asks the same question; "How did u create yourself?"
God is some kind of energy or something like that, i'm waiting for science to figure it out!
How many times do i have to tell u, dear?? huh, how many? God is NOT an old man with a long white beard sitting on a cloud!!!!

[Clementia]

Tide with Beach wrote:

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Why is it so hard to believe?

coz u guys always messin with me, i don't know when u joking or not!

[Clementia]

Drew Smith wrote:

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I believe that all modern living things evolved from a common ancestral population of living things, using natural processes that we can still observe operating around us today.
So are you asking about evolution? Abiogenesis (the origin of life)? The origin of planet Earth? The origin of the Solar System? The origin of the Universe?
Which?

Yes, i believe in evoltion, big bang, etc........but something must have initiated those events and that is the thing i call God!

I'm asking how u believe the big bang was initiated.

[Clementia]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Go is a work of fiction. Discuss it with Tam in a sauna after some wine she will explain it to you.
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stop being disgusting, i'm not bisexual like u and maybe her!!!

u should get in a sauna with her and double fine. Tam said he has a big snake, i'm sure u'll love it slithering around in your den!!!

[Dave Nelson]

http://forteana-blog.blogspot.com/2012/11/the...

The mainstream theory of gravity sucks.

[Aura Mytha]

Clementia wrote:

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stop being disgusting, i'm not bisexual like u and maybe her!!!
u should get in a sauna with her and double fine. Tam said he has a big snake, i'm sure u'll love it slithering around in your den!!!

As long as he doesn't mind the idea of it stuffed and mounted, It would make a great Christmas present . My niece always wanted a Mr Wiggly doll.

[TheBlackSheep]

Clementia wrote:

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Yes, i believe in evoltion, big bang, etc........but something must have initiated those events and that is the thing i call God!
I'm asking how u believe the big bang was initiated.

Every year, the god of the gaps gets smaller and smaller.

[Eagle12]

As an Atheist you believe that in the beginning there was some type of matter. Matter or substance that wasn’t created but always existed. The cosmos developed from this pre-existent matter. This matter gathered together and then went forth with the big ban sort of. A self creation or more simply put.

But you can’t accept that a God, has always existed. He has no beginning or no end. Yet you accept matter has always pre-existed??? Basically all of us have some type of faith about the beginning of the cosmos.

Perhaps one day Physicist will discover with positive proof the existence of a all mighty God.

[Thinking]

Like a Cantor set.

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Every year, the god of the gaps gets smaller and smaller.

[TheBlackSheep]

Eagle12 wrote:

As an Atheist you believe that in the beginning there was some type of matter. Matter or substance that wasn’t created but always existed. The cosmos developed from this pre-existent matter. This matter gathered together and then went forth with the big ban sort of. A self creation or more simply put.
But you can’t accept that a God, has always existed. He has no beginning or no end. Yet you accept matter has always pre-existed??? Basically all of us have some type of faith about the beginning of the cosmos.
Perhaps one day Physicist will discover with positive proof the existence of a all mighty God.

"all mighty God"? Really? Didn't he get stopped by some iron chariots?

Oh, my mistake! I read the 'wrong' part of the bible.

[TheBlackSheep]

Thinking wrote:

Like a Cantor set.
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The way you throw around those scientific terms; you must have some great faith in science! LOL! Do try to dumb it down for our christian friends.

god confounds the wise and makes the fools, wise.

[bossdrop]

Clementia wrote:

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well, i believe all that but i can't understand how it could just happen on it's own.
Marilyn Monroe was a goddess!! my role model, lol!
Raag Goojaree, Fifth Mehl:
Why, O mind, do you plot and plan, when the Dear Lord Himself provides for your care?
From rocks and stones He created living beings; He places their nourishment before them.||1||
O my Dear Lord of souls, one who joins the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, is saved.
By Guru's Grace, the supreme status is obtained, and the dry wood blossoms forth again in lush greenery.||1||Pause||
Mothers, fathers, friends, children and spouses-no one is the support of anyone else.
For each and every person, our Lord and Master provides sustenance. Why are you so afraid, O mind?||2||
The flamingoes fly hundreds of miles, leaving their young ones behind. Who feeds them, and who teaches them to feed themselves? Have you ever thought of this in your mind?||3||

I like it! As I like to say of atheists..a mind is a terrible thing to waste ;)

And your summation is the whole point and bottom line...it could not have happened on its own. And for people with a mind to actually believe it could, shows their ultimate delusional fantasy and desperate effort to eliminate God from existence. I think atheists are sad and funny.

[blacklagoon]

Eagle12 wrote:

As an Atheist you believe that in the beginning there was some type of matter. Matter or substance that wasn’t created but always existed. The cosmos developed from this pre-existent matter. This matter gathered together and then went forth with the big ban sort of. A self creation or more simply put.
But you can’t accept that a God, has always existed. He has no beginning or no end. Yet you accept matter has always pre-existed??? Basically all of us have some type of faith about the beginning of the cosmos.
Perhaps one day Physicist will discover with positive proof the existence of a all mighty God.

I can't quite understand why you don't understand the difference. Matter exists, It can be examined and tested, looked at from every angle. Don't try and include me in your "faith" based beliefs. Faith is what you need when no evidence is available. I don't have "faith" that matter has always existed, I "trust" what cosmologists and astrophysicists have discovered. Trust is very different from "faith." You want desperately for the acceptance that both Theists and Atheists are in the same boat. Both have "faith" that their beliefs are equal. There're not at all equal. One is based on things found in the naturalistic realm, the other for the supernatural realm, a non-existent realm.

[Tide with Beach]

Clementia wrote:

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I understand what your saying, some things written in religious books don't make sense!!
I don't agree with the above either, but i also don't agree with atheists when they say the world just created itself.

Who says the world just created itself?

I'm an atheist. I would never say that. Every atheist I know would not say that. Are you sure it was an atheist?

I can assure you, atheists in general don't hold the opinion that the world created itself. That would require that the world existed before it existed, in order to create itself.

Try to be more articulate in the future.

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