Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Tsk.
Magic is for the abiogenetic crowd.
Biology is the study of how things are assembled, not the ultimate causation for the assembly process. That would fall under what is now called physics, which so far states we all emanated from a seed that sprouted. Something those that have their heads buried in the Scriptures of Scientism fail to see, as they don't know how to look up on their own and see things the way they were designed to see.
BTW, most of those that wrote those Scriptures of Science were deist or theist.
Gee, you just can't believe nobody, can you?
So then you are asserting your god used natural methods.

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#139114
Nov 19, 2012
 
Were you by chance passing an alphabet kitchen magnet back and forth across your head when you decided deists believe in Jesus, a burning hell, Adam and Eve and other Christian fundamentalist notions?

If so let your wife have them back and for Pete's sake stay away from sharp objects before you lose another finger!
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have iron in your blood.
You are doing very well at just being an obnoxious asshole today.
I have no photograph I will show you. You will have to summon up some extra, for you, electrical energy in your brain.
Pass a magnet back and forth across your head. Fast as possible.

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#139115
Nov 19, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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So then you are asserting your god used natural methods.
Would make sense. Using existing technology it employed, perhaps with some modifications, would likely be easier than making new ones.

Unless you prefer the poofing abilities of modern physics. Like, wow, going from coin sized to solar system size in a millionth of a second.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have iron in your blood.
You are doing very well at just being an obnoxious asshole today.
I have no photograph I will show you. You will have to summon up some extra, for you, electrical energy in your brain.
Pass a magnet back and forth across your head. Fast as possible.
I'm not being obnoxious. I'm just joking around. If you really think my light prodding is going too far, take a look at some of your drunken sermons on the "topix atheists."

Anyways, let me get this straight. A powerful magnet can overcome the power of gravity on the small scale... not surprising at all actually... I have iron in my blood..... therefore.... jesus?

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#139117
Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YhRps_GjbFgXX
That isn't pagan. Transcended borders.
Father Christmas: The Kinks
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#139118
Nov 19, 2012
 
There's no evidence to show that the entire Universe *wasn't* created Last Thursday (with all of us created with fake memories), but I would hope that you would consider such a belief to be irrational.
That's why beliefs need to have a rational justification. The burden of proof is on the person who has the belief, not on the person who points out that the belief isn't supported by any objective evidence.
Clementia wrote:
Why do u hate the idea of there being a God?
Who says that I "hate" it? I just point out that there is no rational reason to have a belief in a god.

You might as well be claiming that I "hate" the idea of there being an Easter Bunny or a Tooth Fairy, just because I point out that they are fictional constructions.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
But I *was* being serious when I called your religious belief irrational.
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it's ok.
how is it irrational?
Because it isn't backed up by any objective evidence.

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#139120
Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Would make sense. Using existing technology it employed, perhaps with some modifications, would likely be easier than making new ones.
Unless you prefer the poofing abilities of modern physics. Like, wow, going from coin sized to solar system size in a millionth of a second.
If your god uses natural methods, then we can both test them, and understand them.

It's your mythology that "poofs" things into existence, since your mythology demonstrates nor explains a natural method for how things happened, then you can only call it "poofing."

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#139121
Nov 19, 2012
 
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That seems remarkably similar to the deist position actually.
Now if you can accept that evolution is real and humans didn't magically pop out of thin air at some point, we'll have nothing to argue about.
In general even though I am an atheist I'm quite comfortable accepting the fact that I can't disprove the existence of the kind of god deists, and apparantly the sikhi belief, talk about.
In debate though it isn't up to me to prove something doesn't exist. Burden of proof lies with the person making the existential claim.
And to be honest, though I recognise the fact that I can't completely rule the posibility out I think the existence of a god is about as probable as the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.
Yh, the similarity in sikhi and other religions is that it too believes God created everything and that it didn't appear out of thin air, but there is no Adam or Eve or any other creation story in sikhi.
If research and evidence is pointing to evolution, then why would I not believe it? At the moment, I do believe it!
You didn't understand that sikhi questions itself and God on every page; “how, when and why did u do it?”, but even if it doesn't get a reply from God it still praises him. It questions like u guys do, but it still believes something is out there that is more powerful than us.
sikhi is not against science! In the post I sent u before baba nanak says,“So many worlds beyond this world-so very many! What power holds them, and supports their weight?" (SGGS p3), the word “world” in this sentence means planets, remember that guru nanak dev Ji was born 1469 and he’s trying to understand gravity, Newton’s discovery came latter. So sikhi isn’t against searching for answers about the universe, but sikhi never said I have the answer and it wasn’t created to teach u science either. Baba nanak was too busy trying to stop evil Muslim rulers from killing people and converting them to islam. I’m sure if baba ji had the time he would have looked more into science.

Pause = most important line of the verse. baba ji is saying we should pause and think about it. It’s like the main conclusion thingy and it meant to help u understand the verse.
I’m not a sikh scholar, I’m still learning about sikhi, so sorry if I told u something wrong.

When nothing existed, what deeds were being done? And what karma caused anyone to be born at all?
The Lord Himself set His play in motion, and He Himself beholds it. He created the Creation.||1||
O my Sovereign Lord, I cannot do anything at all by myself.
He Himself is the Creator, He Himself is the Cause. He is pervading deep within all.||1||Pause||
If my account were to be judged, I would never be saved. My body is transitory and ignorant.
Take pity upon me, O Creator Lord God; Your Forgiving Grace is singular and unique.||2||
You created all beings and creatures. Each and every heart meditates on You.
Your condition and expanse are known only to You; the value of Your creative omnipotence cannot be estimated.||3||
I am worthless, foolish, thoughtless and ignorant. I know nothing about good actions and righteous living.
Take pity on Nanak, that he may sing Your Glorious Praises; and that Your Will may seem sweet to him.||4||6||53||

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#139122
Nov 19, 2012
 
Clementia wrote:
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u still don't believe me? i thought we got pass this? flaming hell, I'm a girl!
How can u say, the books prove that God doesn't exists?
u still haven't told me what religious books you've read?? I can't think of a hard question to ask u about sikhi, coz all the answers can be found on the internet, but i'll keep trying to think of one!
You still haven't told me how you knew that I didn't read all the books.

You just cannot admit that you made an unfounded assumptions and stated it as fact.

As far as you being male or female, being a sock or not, or being educated or not, makes not one bit of difference to me.

From your writings, I can make some judgments. You are either, not well educated, or you wish to be viewed as uneducated.

You either know little of England or you wish to appear as if you know little about England.

You want it to be believed that you are a young girl; who cares if you are or you are not? Who is ever going to hook up you from this forum? Gender and sexual orientation are not very important to the topic, unless you are a fundie.

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#139123
Nov 19, 2012
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You still haven't told me how you knew that I didn't read all the books.
You just cannot admit that you made an unfounded assumptions and stated it as fact.
As far as you being male or female, being a sock or not, or being educated or not, makes not one bit of difference to me.
From your writings, I can make some judgments. You are either, not well educated, or you wish to be viewed as uneducated.
You either know little of England or you wish to appear as if you know little about England.
You want it to be believed that you are a young girl; who cares if you are or you are not? Who is ever going to hook up you from this forum? Gender and sexual orientation are not very important to the topic, unless you are a fundie.
ok, i won't talk to u then. bye.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
There's no evidence to show that the entire Universe *wasn't* created Last Thursday (with all of us created with fake memories), but I would hope that you would consider such a belief to be irrational.
That's why beliefs need to have a rational justification. The burden of proof is on the person who has the belief, not on the person who points out that the belief isn't supported by any objective evidence.
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Who says that I "hate" it? I just point out that there is no rational reason to have a belief in a god.
You might as well be claiming that I "hate" the idea of there being an Easter Bunny or a Tooth Fairy, just because I point out that they are fictional constructions.
so u truly believe we created out of thin air?

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Nov 19, 2012
 
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>20Nov12.....
.....and for you, instead of 'counting sheep'..
Ps:....Just count blah blah blah blah blah blah BobLoblahs
BobLoblah will let the 'lady of da house' know dat you offered 'cutie dreams' when BobLoblah straps on BobLoblah's spurs.
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stupid, thick, uneducated clementia didn't get the joke again!!!

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#139127
Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
Pass a magnet back and forth across your head. Fast as possible.
No, Dave.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Try twisting and sliding, slowly.
No, Dave.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>20Nov12.....
.....Yeah.
Ps:....It's (hidingDumbPhew) using anudder of its multi-Socks. This dime because Clementia is getting so much attention.
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so you're using stupid, thick, uneducated clementia to piss Hiding off? somehow, i don't think it's working! maybe i should act even MORE dumbER!!!!!

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Tsk.
Magic is for the abiogenetic crowd.
Biology is the study of how things are assembled, not the ultimate causation for the assembly process. That would fall under what is now called physics, which so far states we all emanated from a seed that sprouted. Something those that have their heads buried in the Scriptures of Scientism fail to see, as they don't know how to look up on their own and see things the way they were designed to see.
BTW, most of those that wrote those Scriptures of Science were deist or theist.
Gee, you just can't believe nobody, can you?

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Nov 19, 2012
 
River Tam wrote:
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I'll miss it. I have to go back to the U.S. tomorrow. Culture shock, again.
Oh shit! I have to get cleaning!

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<quoted text>I'm not being obnoxious. I'm just joking around. If you really think my light prodding is going too far, take a look at some of your drunken sermons on the "topix atheists."
Anyways, let me get this straight. A powerful magnet can overcome the power of gravity on the small scale... not surprising at all actually... I have iron in my blood..... therefore.... jesus?
I've been through this a couple of times before. Please pay attention.

Iron gets magnetized. It concentrates magnetic fields. It is in your blood. It is affected by magnetic fields, and it also induces electricity on the cellular level. The smaller fields follow the larger fields, but there is time delays between what happens in different sections. It contributes to animation. The core of the earth is iron. Collecting cosmic magnetic emissions on a larger scale, which are then also passed onto the smaller fields walking around on the surface. Those cosmic fields have a shaping affect on those walking bodies, including their "thoughts". They were shaped and formed within those emissions for a long time.

Everything alive has an EM signature. Derived from chemical processes and cosmic influences. Cosmic not just from what radiates from the sky directly on you, but also what is collected and retransmitted via the earth core, possibly even amplified. This is flows, not "super magnets".

At the least, carbon organisms are collections of tuned EM circuits.

DNA amplifies coding in very small thingies into much larger creatures. Almost, if not every bit, done by EM processes. Those DNA are also tuned circuits.

Gravitationally, the center of mass for you, me, and every object in this solar system is almost dead center of the sun. That is where the balance point between us and the sun is. You shift an ounce here, and you shift an ounce there.

You are flying on remote control.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Loren Eberly wrote:
Funding Schools with Borrowed Money:
The majority of us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote; reelected Obnoxious President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, School Administrators and Board Members.
That defies demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.
This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider; Fund schools; pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, School Administrators and Board Members hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.
To fund schools, Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.
Pay property tax on state appraised value of their American Dream to fund schools. Pay interest on lottery winners winnings Legislators invest in school bonds.
Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.
Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.
This makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
and thats one of the reasons why I live in Canada..LOL

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