Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

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#137347 Nov 13, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Whether or not something is visual depends on us, the viewers, not on the object in question.
There are better ways of describing the characteristics of objects that say nothing of the viewer's perspective.
There are probably objects that humans can't see, that really do exist. They may even reflect light. We wouldn't call those things visible. We would call them invisible. We might be able to detect them with a camera, perhaps, but not with our eyes. They would be visible to the camera, but still invisible to us.
People who have visual hallucinations see things that don't really exist. These hallucinations are visible to them, but invisible to anyone else. The visible/invisible label doesn't necessarily say anything about the object.
I see. Right now I am invisible to you, even though I am cleat visible.

I was using the "invisible" in an elementary manner.

I withdraw.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137348 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It is not bigoted to point out racism/sexism/homophobia being present in a religion's teachings. Religion is not sacred and free from criticism. Ugly, backwards beliefs should be called out and extinguished. Your bible teaches many ugly, backwards things, and these beliefs need to be snuffed out. Just to be clear, I am not saying that christianity should be snuffed out, just the many repugnant things that it teaches - I feel the need to state this clearly so that I don't reactivate your delusions of persecution.
You're missing his point. He's saying that bigotry, racism, etc is not expressed in the Bible. What people *do* is not relevant to what the Bible actually says & teaches.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137349 Nov 13, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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.... You're really confused.
How so?

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#137350 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Prayer does work, as far as I know.
Voodoo works, as far as I know.

Sounds kinda dumb, doesn't it?

It's fine that you think it works, but understand that your belief has no basis in reality.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137351 Nov 13, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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.... You're really confused.
It's spelled "confoosed".....

Geesh

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#137352 Nov 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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She said EM has no effect on epigenomes. I provided an example where it does. It can be very fast with the high intensity stuff, and it can also occur from frequent exposure to lower power.
Why do you think there is all the fuss about cell phones and their towers, high tension lines, and other sources of EM transmissions?
Under the right circumstances it can knock a needed molecule in a genome out of whack.
That is one of the reasons mutations occur.
As far as I know "all the fuss" has been blown out of proportion a little bit. Either way, you're being kind of ridiculous. It was clear from the context of the conversation that she meant microwaves don't affect your epigenome during regular use; obviously your epigenome is affected if you cook it. It would be like if I claimed that being around aluminum can affect your epigenome because you might get run over by an aluminum car.

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#137353 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're missing his point. He's saying that bigotry, racism, etc is not expressed in the Bible. What people *do* is not relevant to what the Bible actually says & teaches.
Those things totally are expressed in the bible, what book are you reading?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#137354 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How so?
The only way you can reconcile your mythical deity belief and the reality of evolution is to blend the two.

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#137355 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't. I deny the opinionated "facts" regarding what we call ToE.
The theory concerning the evolution of man is under increased scrutiny due to the persistence of gaps in the fossil record, the inability to demonstrate "life-or-death" determining advantageous genetic mutations, and the lack of experiments or observations to truly confirm the evidence for speciation. Overall, the evolution of man pervades as the accepted paradigm on the origin of man within the scientific community. This is not because it has been proven scientifically, but because alternative viewpoints bring with them metaphysical implications which go against the modern naturalistic paradigm. Nevertheless, a closer examination of the evidence reveals evolution to be increasingly less scientific and more reliant upon beliefs, not proof.
http://www.allaboutscience.org /evolution-of-man.htm

You shouldn't get your talking points from badly disguised apologist websites. " Allaboutscience.org " LOL

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137356 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít operate in non Christian realms. But I do believe there have been miracles in non Christian environments. I attribute these miracles to the dark side.
Wow. It is stunning how indoctrinated you are into dehumanizing others.

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#137357 Nov 13, 2012
Actually, that little nugget of wisdom is all over the internet, so I don't know exactly where you got it, but still - apologist sites are bad, mkay?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137358 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, we can cook it. Dave delivered a knockout blow to your credibility with that one.
hahaha

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#137359 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I see. Right now I am invisible to you, even though I am cleat visible.
I was using the "invisible" in an elementary manner.
I withdraw.
Say it like Rooster.

"I bow out!"

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137360 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Lol. "Gets boys not laid"? Boys can't handle alcohol.
Why are you hunting boys any not men?
'cause men have grey chest hair and need to squint

hee, hee, hee

:-p

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137361 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Abso-friggin-lutely!! Very well said.
I will go on to add that even though God seems supernatural, He's a very natural being. After all, He designed nature...
Nah. It was Osiris.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137363 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, DNA was non-existent in their minds but it wasn't non-existent. It was invisible to their eyes but it was never invisible.
I think as we progress in the next few hundred years, God will become more & more less "invisible" and "non-existent".
True about DNA, opposite of what has been going on with God.

First, we lived in an Earth centered universe, with the sun orbiting us,'cause "God" designed the universe around us. Next we get a heliocentric universe,'cause the Earth centered model was silly. Finally we acknowledge nothing of the sort. Then we lost our status as specially Created, having evolved just like any other animal. The Bible turns out to not be literally true; Genesis is so incorrect as to be ridiculous. The Flood is a crazy fair tale. Then our psyche is deconstructed; it turns out our minds rest solely in our brains and that dualism cannot be supported by the evidence we have.

Kicking and screaming, the church altered their positions. One by one, Christianity's monopoly over describing the universe around us falls apart. It now no longer contributes, is utterly voiceless, in the production of new knowledge and technology about the world. Science has forever wrested that from religion.

We're not describing a Created world. We've thrown open the curtains on that, cast light on the illusion, shredded it, my dear Riverside. History shows that your God is running out of room, losing His safety net as our primitive ignorance is replaced with evidence based knowledge.

Your God, like all those before Him, is a fiction, a fantasy. He doesn't exist and with growing education "poof!" bye-bye bronze age beliefs. We consign you to history, God.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#137364 Nov 13, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>Tells give other gamblers an extra edge. Little quirks in writing styles do the same.
.. reading between the lines is half the Topix fun, and, if you're a writer, outlandish or oddball character development is simplified ..

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137365 Nov 13, 2012
Thanks. Now you see your mistake?
Dave Nelson wrote:
The Microwave
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are le
Hey, I discovered something you'll find interesting: my download speed was negatively impacted by my microwave oven. I tested it repeatedly. My wireless signal was interfered with when the microwave was on. So, one EM field is interfering with the other.
See? I knew you'd like that.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey, I discovered something you'll find interesting: my download speed was negatively impacted by my microwave oven. I tested it repeatedly. My wireless signal was interfered with when the microwave was on. So, one EM field is interfering with the other.
See? I knew you'd like that.
You ought to see what they have done to your brain.
Your epigenomes are in serious straits.
Get a tin foil hat, but make sure you have a grounded wire connected to it. You get a resonant cavity without it, which makes it even worse.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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EM doesn't do anything to epigenetics.
Have someone put you in a microwave and turn it on. You will find you are wrong.
Same goes for any high intensity high frequency EM emissions such as radar beams.
If it can cook your flesh, it will rearrange your molecules. Such as those involved in epigenomes.
There should be quite a body of info on that on the net.
You do not know what EM is or does. Quit pretending.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>That was rich. "It affects your epigenome by cooking it." LOL
Glad you liked it.
Why do you cook your food? Besides just to kill organisms.
Elements have a melting point. Compounds made of elements(what else?) also have different melting points. Depending on the compound and heat sinking of its molecules, the heat transfer rate affects the elements on the atomic scale. You can easily break chains of molecules and rearrange the molecular construction.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Right, Dave. Sure. You can cook DNA, no problem. Standing near an electric field, like the one given off by my computer or my microwave, is not going to do anything to my methyl binding sites.
Who said anything about standing beside those items. Besides you?
That wasn't what I posted.
You are dishonest. Do you do the same with your research?
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
imn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But it *can* affect your epigenome! Dave already explained it.
By saying we can cook it. And then claiming I lied about that. Yes, yes he did.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That was a completely different thing. I said have someone put you in a microwave, and referred to radar beams.
You go to such lengths to twist things to imagine you are winning an argument on a stupid forum. You would surely do the same to win fame and glory with a research paper. I am sure you are marked by others to undergo a very stringent peer review. They should, anyhow.
No, Dave, you said that microwaves could affect my epigenome by cooking it ONLY AFTER I pointed out that standing near a microwave would do nothing. You immediately moved the goal posts because you're a small man and you need to not be wrong about anything.
I'm not trying to "win" against your stupid inability to remember what you wrote, or the insane gibberish that you write. No one can "win" an argument with someone who is not rational and does not respect logical thinking like you.
I'm correcting your dishonest labeling of me as a liar.
You are dishonest.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137366 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't. I deny the opinionated "facts" regarding what we call ToE.
The theory concerning the evolution of man is under increased scrutiny due to the persistence of gaps in the fossil record,
This has been addressed, both in theory and in evidence. In theory, it has been addressed as evolution working faster than Darwin had thought - and that's been demonstrated, since.

In practice, if we research one species in great depth, we can fill in the fossil record - like with humans, and show rapid gradual evolution. The hominin fossil record from H. erectus to now is so full of transition fossils, the argument is how to classify them all.
the inability to demonstrate "life-or-death" determining advantageous genetic mutations,
That's being done in ongoing work on populations of various species. Notably are macaques, bacteria, nematodes and fruit flies.

It's also study-able in humans.
and the lack of experiments or observations to truly confirm the evidence for speciation.
We have observations aplenty and experiments have produced speciation in the lab.
Overall, the evolution of man pervades as the accepted paradigm on the origin of man within the scientific community. This is not because it has been proven scientifically, but because alternative viewpoints bring with them metaphysical implications which go against the modern naturalistic paradigm.
Utterly false. Human evolution is scientific fact. 100% proven in lay terminology.
Nevertheless, a closer examination of the evidence reveals evolution to be increasingly less scientific and more reliant upon beliefs, not proof.
Nope. If that were true, you could post scientific papers that argue such. But all you have is your lay opinion here - and it's not an informed one.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137367 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Are you not using confirmation bias when you say that Hod isn't real & prayer does nothing?
Yes, you are.
Nope.

First, I don't say "god isn't real," what I have actually said, and what I continue to say, is that there is no demonstrably reliable evidence to support the notion of any form of creator, thus it is nothing more than fanciful dreams, however, purporting that something is real based on zero evidence is the very definition of delusional. As to prayer, all data on prayer demonstrates it to be as reliable as chance alone. In other words, people are better off rolling the dice than praying. No supportive evidence justifies a lack of belief, no demonstrable evidence demands that one does not believe.

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