Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Sep 11

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#137263 Nov 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...
"Seeking to assess the effect of third-party prayer on patient outcomes, investigators found no evidence for divine intervention. They did, however, detect a possible proof for the power of negative thinking."
That's from the largest double blind study on prayer to date. No positive effect, slightly increased chance of dying.
It's really funny that there was an increased chance of prayer when the subjects knew they were being prayed for. It's fun to pretend you are a believer and then try to rationalize that fact.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137264 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, he's right. Anything supernatural is necessarily something that exists outside of our reality, and therefore does not exist for us.
Well said.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137265 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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He's not right and neither are you.
To think like you two do is to say that DNA was "non-existent" before it was discovered...
But that isn't true.
DNA was non-existent in the minds of people back then. Their realities did not have DNA in them at all. The "knew" about other things, like miasma and the inheritance of acquired characteristics.

The thing is, everything about the way they interacted with, experienced and thought about the world around them included non-DNA causal explanations of how life worked. Their lived reality was very different than our own.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137266 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Don't tell me what has and hasn't happened to me, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You were born.

You just breathed!

I think you had some beer...

Since: Sep 11

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#137267 Nov 13, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Maybe one of the free thinkers can back me up. But there have been plenty of scientific studies showing prayer does not work. Prayers which seem answered are merely coincidence.
The fact that God fails to feed the hungry or give water to the thirsty, but lets millions starve and go without clean water, is proof that no loving all powerful deity exists.
This was the clincher for me. When I realised prayer is superstition.
But he helped me make that red light the other day!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137268 Nov 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Didn't you mean p!ss?
<quoted text>
hahaha! Yes!

Since: Sep 11

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#137269 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It's really funny that there was an increased chance of prayer when the subjects knew they were being prayed for. It's fun to pretend you are a believer and then try to rationalize that fact.
I've settled on "well, god heard all the prayers for these people, and taking that as proof that they were a good christian with good christian friends, he decided to beam them up to heaven a bit early."

I think that's a good rationalization - any christians here, feel free to use it.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#137270 Nov 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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But feel free to believe what you want.
Gee thanks.

Or disbelieve, I hope.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137271 Nov 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Didn't you mean p!ss?
<quoted text>
Remember the old jingle, "Schaefer is the one beer to have when you're having more than one."? there's something to that. Weak American lagers may lack any character worth mentioning, but their alcohol content is also lower, so you can drink more of them without getting sloppy drunk. Me, I'd rather have one or maybe two really good beers (or glasses of win) than a six pack of Bud Light, but I have friends who prefer the latter. At the end of the evening, we both drive home safely.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137272 Nov 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Yes, mythology books report all kinds of miracles.
Why don't you care more about the miracles of non-Christians that thousands of people report going on the modern age?
It's because you don't believe them. Like you, I don't believe them. I also don't believe your holy book. Why not?
Well, it goes like this: how do we know the Bible/Koran is the Word of God? It tells us it is! Oh, so why should we believe that? Because it's the Word of God!
Yes, that seems quite stupid to me, too.
I don’t operate in non Christian realms. But I do believe there have been miracles in non Christian environments. I attribute these miracles to the dark side.

Since you had a Christian background. You will remember the story of Moses and Aaron in Pharaoh’s court.

Moses through down his staff and a snake emerged. Pharaoh had his magicians throw down their staffs and two snakes emerged. The same miracle but twice as many.

But in the story referenced. The difference was in the type of snakes that emerged. Moses snake was a King Snake. The type of snake that feast on other snakes. And the King snake consumed Pharaoh’s snakes.

The dark side and followers of the dark side do indeed see miracles of every sort.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#137273 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I believe:
Jesus Christ is God of all Gods and King of Kings.
That hate solves little and love is the opposite of hate.
Two people, of the same sex, can have friendships and love one another without engaging in perverse sexual behavior.
Because two people of the same sex are living together doesn’t mean they are having perverse sexual relationships with one another.
The bibles principles on homosexuality.
Gay Pride parades need to be replaced with STD prevention promotion and parades.
Freedom of Religion as stated by the Constitution of the United States of American.
I didn't ask you what you believe.

I asked you a simple question: Are you a bigot?

You just ran silly circles around the question.

But in the end, the answer is clear.

You are a bigot.

B-I-G-O-T.

But you're not alone. You're just one more "loving" Christian who wants to discriminate against others, deny them equal rights, because, as you see it, your god is a bigot.

If your god told you miscegenation is a sin, your bigotry would
require your obedience.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137274 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I don’t operate in non Christian realms. But I do believe there have been miracles in non Christian environments. I attribute these miracles to the dark side.
Since you had a Christian background. You will remember the story of Moses and Aaron in Pharaoh’s court.
Moses through down his staff and a snake emerged. Pharaoh had his magicians throw down their staffs and two snakes emerged. The same miracle but twice as many.
But in the story referenced. The difference was in the type of snakes that emerged. Moses snake was a King Snake. The type of snake that feast on other snakes. And the King snake consumed Pharaoh’s snakes.
The dark side and followers of the dark side do indeed see miracles of every sort.
Your mind is a fascinating place.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#137275 Nov 13, 2012
I get your reasoning. I'm lucky to have four village pubs within 1.6 miles of my house so I can drink what I want and walk the dog back home if I'm not legal to drive.
NightSerf wrote:
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Remember the old jingle, "Schaefer is the one beer to have when you're having more than one."? there's something to that. Weak American lagers may lack any character worth mentioning, but their alcohol content is also lower, so you can drink more of them without getting sloppy drunk. Me, I'd rather have one or maybe two really good beers (or glasses of win) than a six pack of Bud Light, but I have friends who prefer the latter. At the end of the evening, we both drive home safely.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#137276 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Because you are unskilled in countering the annotations of those of faith.

At best you may have a average IQ.
Your first "statement" is not a complete sentence.

"...a average" IQ?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137277 Nov 13, 2012
Thinking wrote:
I get your reasoning. I'm lucky to have four village pubs within 1.6 miles of my house so I can drink what I want and walk the dog back home if I'm not legal to drive.
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I can dig that. I'm thinking of moving into an area like that myself.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137278 Nov 13, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Gee thanks.
Or disbelieve, I hope.
Can’t you write in complete sentences dude!

Ahhh it gets annoying.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#137279 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I don’t operate in non Christian realms. But I do believe there have been miracles in non Christian environments. I attribute these miracles to the dark side.
Since you had a Christian background. You will remember the story of Moses and Aaron in Pharaoh’s court.
Moses through down his staff and a snake emerged. Pharaoh had his magicians throw down their staffs and two snakes emerged. The same miracle but twice as many.
But in the story referenced. The difference was in the type of snakes that emerged. Moses snake was a King Snake. The type of snake that feast on other snakes. And the King snake consumed Pharaoh’s snakes.
The dark side and followers of the dark side do indeed see miracles of every sort.
There is no way I could reply on the merits to this sort of nonsense. Eagle is a simpleton; an arrogant simpleton to boot.

This is why, with Eagle, I just point out that his posts are ungrammatical nonsense.

For example, he tells us Moses "through down" his staff. And, "Since you had a Christian background" is not a sentence. Nor is "But in the story referenced."

Inter alia.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137280 Nov 13, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Your first "statement" is not a complete sentence.
"...a average" IQ?
Muchacho, mees done need your help Senor.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#137281 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Can’t you write in complete sentences dude!
Ahhh it gets annoying.
You'll never get it.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#137282 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle probably thinks that means, "Stick it up your arse."
Catcher1 wrote:
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Inter alia.

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