Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Nov 13, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know he's writing metaphorically? Isn't it possible that he is just flat out wrong?
How do you know heís not and isnít it possible that you are flat out wrong?
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Veterans put their life on the line. To support President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members honoring their oath of office; Agreeing to defend every American citizen from foreign and domestic aggression.

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That holds Veterans, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americaís grandchildrenís children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

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Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service. With money derived from wages (union contract), investment and independent business profit.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands is bankrupting USA. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Veterans, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohioís $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. Americaís grandchildrenís children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

Americaís grandchildrenís children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

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Nov 13, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't you just acknowledge that the bible never condemns homosexuality?
John 8:44

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44 You are of your father, the devil, and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar [himself] and the father of lies and of all that is false.

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Nov 13, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But the christian god is the right one.
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Nov 13, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Let me reword this for the mentally challenged-----If anything exists in the naturalistic realm, science can prove it...if it doesn't exist in he naturalistic realm the it is NON-EXISTENT....are you feeling better now!!!
No, you're making me sick.

So you think that if science can't prove or detect or test something then it's non-existent.

Got it

You're an idiot.

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<quoted text>Nope, but really nice try. Ask any fundamentalist Christian and they'll tell you the earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs walked with humans. They even have footprints of dinosaurs and man walking next to each other. Contact Sarah Palin, she fully supports this and was almost our Vice President. Next talk to the people at the Creation Museum, they have a big exhibit showing dinos' on the Ark. EVERY Air breathing vertebrates, would include Dinosaurs. Apologists who are experts on the subject will tell you these Dinosaurs were most likely juveniles, just so you could fit them on the Ark. Hey, I'm only delivering the message, these are YOUR PEOPLE not mine, don't shoot the messenger. LOL
Hold the phone... Are you posting to me or done unnamed "Christian fundamentalist"?

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Nov 13, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Check your bible Fred, although it would appear as though you don't even own one. The "firmament' was placed above the earth, the firmament is were heaven is located. Every biblical description of heaven is alway UP in the heavens. You never attended Sunday school? It is thee you should have been brainwashed into knowing that heaven is UP and hell is DOWN.
Yes little one God lives in Heaven, the Devil lives in Hell, and Peter Pan lives in Never Never Land!!! Oh, and Trolls live under the bridge, although some actually live here in Topix.
Right, right, right.....

And water has a "face", huh?

Moron.

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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Since prayers are never answered it would be a worthless endeavor to find out the ratio of prayers that were answered.
Quite a bold statement. Just because YOU have never had a prayer answered does NOT suggest that "prayers are never answered", son. I have had prayers answered. Lots if people have.

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Every US President from the first to President Obama believes in God.
The bible never dates the earth as 6000 years old. And the 6 days of creation are not based on mans 24hr day. The 6 days of creation are the 6 steps or stages of creation. At the time Genesis was written. There was no explanation for ďMillions.Ē It was written so people of every age could understand.
Those six days were on Gods scale and not mans. Thereíre varying scales in measurement. We know the Earth and all of creation is much older than 6000 years. The New Testament even makes a reference to the time difference between man and God.
2 Peter 3:8
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{Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day}.
Note the writer is writing metaphorically in 2 PETER 3:8.
It doesnít mean literally a thousand years as one day. The writer is speaking figuratively.
I think a lot of folks have let that "one fact" escape them. They fervently try their best to disprove the Bible by quoting 6,000 years. They refuse to read it as it is really meant. They're a list cause...

Remember Psalm 90:4...

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

A "watch in the night" is a 3 hour night watch, as in a security watch.

So the Bible is teaching us that God measure of time is nothing like ours.

A day to God is like a thousand years.

A thousand years to God is like a day.

A 3 hour time frame to God is like a thousand years.

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I tally wish these morons would attempt to understand that. And that NOWHERE in the Bible does it says that creation took 6,000 years.

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Doctor, Assumptions don't count.
You have no scientific evidence to support your claim.
Nor have you been to Africa to conduct a informal survey.
You probably could if you really wanted to.
It could be a informative trip providing that you didnít cross paths with tribal clans that want your head as decor.
That would be real bad. And you couldnít pray your way out of that predicament.
You best not go Doctor and just stick to assumptions. Itís safer that way.
Funny, my dad was missionary to Tanzania, Africa for two years. He had to have a security detachment with him to protect from thieves and raiders.

He went bringing food, medicine & various supplies to the very needy & desparate in Tanzania. They met him with violence & evil.

In the end, all they wanted was to rob each other of their free shit that we have them.

That part of Africa needs a lot of work & a lot of education. For the time being, they seem like a lost cause.

I really wish ol' black lagoon would go there & see how many real Christians there are...

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Hello stranger, long time no see, howíve you been?

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I said "ok, let's drink beer. Not Budweiser, it's crap."
:)
Where's the "unfriend" button?

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What would be an example of an unnatural phenomena?
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You honestly believe that criminals, who fit within your numbers 2 and 3, are examples of unnatural phenomena? Or geniuses?
Psychopaths fit into your number 5 and maybe 4.
Wow. Ok. Why do you think so?
I can see number 1 as being an example of an unnatural phenomena. Do you believe they actually happen?
Yes. I think that natural law as we know is probably infantile. We're just beginning to learn about natural law, which a suggests that we still have a lot that is unknown.

Do you think the periodic table is finished?

Do you think humans are all done evolving?

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I'm not dishonest. You wrote that standing by my microwave could affect my "epigenome." You gave me specific advice to wear a tinfoil hat.
These are your exact words, a reply to my post about the microwave interfering with my wifi:
"You ought to see what they have done to your brain.
Your epigenomes are in serious straits.
Get a tin foil hat, but make sure you have a grounded wire connected to it. You get a resonant cavity without it, which makes it even worse."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
You accusing me of lying when you quite clearly said the above is cute, Dave.
That makes you dishonest.
Just a quick tip on Topix links: if a little time has passed, sometimes so many posts have been deleted that the page number changes. When that happens, you can still get a good link to the post in question by removing the page number from the link so that it looks like this like this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...

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The attack on grammar is your vain and inept way to reply to ones post. The critique of ones writing is merely a side bar meant to deflect and harass the poster. All the while promoting yourself as being something superior. This is typical narcissist behavior on your part.
Because you are unskilled in countering the annotations of those of faith. Your shallow responses are just that shallow. Lacking any real substance in your answers you typically express sarcasm and cynicism.
Meaning your depth as a intellectual is just not there. At best you may have a average IQ. Nothing superior to average. This is very evident by your counter attacks and reverting to your lame effort to side track post with grammar.
This is not the Queens school of grammar. And you certainly are not the Queens most studious student.
Frankly you are just another self absorbed atheist trying to make yourself look astute.
I suspect that most here went though a stage as newbies in which we were overly critical of others' writing--I know I did. Most of us learn to avoid that distraction, especially after the tables are turned and every mistake that we make is pointed out. But we still notice, and it is still annoying. It's hard not to say so every great once in a while.

As I've written often enough to be a bit of a bore on the subject, the essential qualities of good writing are not grammar, spelling, or even syntax. These are merely tools that we use to attain the most important qualities, which are readability and clarity. Eventually, we all learn to focus on our own writing and leave others to do the same.

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Funny, my dad was missionary to Tanzania, Africa for two years. He had to have a security detachment with him to protect from thieves and raiders.
He went bringing food, medicine & various supplies to the very needy & desparate in Tanzania. They met him with violence & evil.
In the end, all they wanted was to rob each other of their free shit that we have them.
That part of Africa needs a lot of work & a lot of education. For the time being, they seem like a lost cause.
I really wish ol' black lagoon would go there & see how many real Christians there are...
You know 50 years ago it was the same way. Africa is always in need. Even thought itís rich with recourses. As a continent it just doesnít progress. I donít think itís ever going to. Other continents move forward and Africa stays the same.

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NightSerf wrote:
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I suspect that most here went though a stage as newbies in which we were overly critical of others' writing--I know I did. Most of us learn to avoid that distraction, especially after the tables are turned and every mistake that we make is pointed out. But we still notice, and it is still annoying. It's hard not to say so every great once in a while.
As I've written often enough to be a bit of a bore on the subject, the essential qualities of good writing are not grammar, spelling, or even syntax. These are merely tools that we use to attain the most important qualities, which are readability and clarity. Eventually, we all learn to focus on our own writing and leave others to do the same.
[Tipping hat] Thank you my good man.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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The attack on grammar is your vain and inept way to reply to ones post. The critique of ones writing is merely a side bar meant to deflect and harass the poster. All the while promoting yourself as being something superior. This is typical narcissist behavior on your part.
Because you are unskilled in countering the annotations of those of faith. Your shallow responses are just that shallow. Lacking any real substance in your answers you typically express sarcasm and cynicism.
Meaning your depth as a intellectual is just not there. At best you may have a average IQ. Nothing superior to average. This is very evident by your counter attacks and reverting to your lame effort to side track post with grammar.
This is not the Queens school of grammar. And you certainly are not the Queens most studious student.
Frankly you are just another self absorbed atheist trying to make yourself look astute.
Why did you feel the need to type out this long post to me? I don't even think I was particularly mean in anything I said to, or about, you. I just pointed out an error that you constantly make that annoys me. And I may have pointed out that you're a bigot. So what? You are a bigot.

And I really don't care what you think of my intelligence. I'm not here to prove anything to anyone, I'm mostly here to read and learn from the occasional interesting/insightful post that pops up among all the nonsense peddlers like yourself.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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That was a completely different thing. I said have someone put you in a microwave, and referred to radar beams.
You go to such lengths to twist things to imagine you are winning an argument on a stupid forum. You would surely do the same to win fame and glory with a research paper. I am sure you are marked by others to undergo a very stringent peer review. They should, anyhow.
Dave, you're being kind of ridiculous. The comment you made clearly implied that microwaves affect the epigenome in a way other than "cooking it." That is not what you meant, and if it is what you meant, it was a stunningly dull observation. I can change my molecular makeup by hacking my arm off, too.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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How do you know heís not and isnít it possible that you are flat out wrong?
I could be wrong, but probably not. I'm not the one trying to interpret the words of an all powerful deity through the lens of science. What makes you think mankind is capable of interpreting the words of a god? And if he meant for it to be interpreted, why would he make his one testament to mankind a garbled mess with no universally accepted way of "interpreting" it? Why did it become metaphorical only after science proved it's absurdity? What happens when every positive claim in the bible has been debunked by science? What then? Will the whole book be nothing more than a giant metaphor?

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