Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137231 Nov 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I'm not dishonest. You wrote that standing by my microwave could affect my "epigenome." You gave me specific advice to wear a tinfoil hat.
These are your exact words, a reply to my post about the microwave interfering with my wifi:
"You ought to see what they have done to your brain.
Your epigenomes are in serious straits.
Get a tin foil hat, but make sure you have a grounded wire connected to it. You get a resonant cavity without it, which makes it even worse."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
You accusing me of lying when you quite clearly said the above is cute, Dave.
That makes you dishonest.
Just a quick tip on Topix links: if a little time has passed, sometimes so many posts have been deleted that the page number changes. When that happens, you can still get a good link to the post in question by removing the page number from the link so that it looks like this like this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137232 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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The attack on grammar is your vain and inept way to reply to ones post. The critique of ones writing is merely a side bar meant to deflect and harass the poster. All the while promoting yourself as being something superior. This is typical narcissist behavior on your part.
Because you are unskilled in countering the annotations of those of faith. Your shallow responses are just that shallow. Lacking any real substance in your answers you typically express sarcasm and cynicism.
Meaning your depth as a intellectual is just not there. At best you may have a average IQ. Nothing superior to average. This is very evident by your counter attacks and reverting to your lame effort to side track post with grammar.
This is not the Queens school of grammar. And you certainly are not the Queens most studious student.
Frankly you are just another self absorbed atheist trying to make yourself look astute.
I suspect that most here went though a stage as newbies in which we were overly critical of others' writing--I know I did. Most of us learn to avoid that distraction, especially after the tables are turned and every mistake that we make is pointed out. But we still notice, and it is still annoying. It's hard not to say so every great once in a while.

As I've written often enough to be a bit of a bore on the subject, the essential qualities of good writing are not grammar, spelling, or even syntax. These are merely tools that we use to attain the most important qualities, which are readability and clarity. Eventually, we all learn to focus on our own writing and leave others to do the same.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137233 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Funny, my dad was missionary to Tanzania, Africa for two years. He had to have a security detachment with him to protect from thieves and raiders.
He went bringing food, medicine & various supplies to the very needy & desparate in Tanzania. They met him with violence & evil.
In the end, all they wanted was to rob each other of their free shit that we have them.
That part of Africa needs a lot of work & a lot of education. For the time being, they seem like a lost cause.
I really wish ol' black lagoon would go there & see how many real Christians there are...
You know 50 years ago it was the same way. Africa is always in need. Even thought itís rich with recourses. As a continent it just doesnít progress. I donít think itís ever going to. Other continents move forward and Africa stays the same.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137234 Nov 13, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspect that most here went though a stage as newbies in which we were overly critical of others' writing--I know I did. Most of us learn to avoid that distraction, especially after the tables are turned and every mistake that we make is pointed out. But we still notice, and it is still annoying. It's hard not to say so every great once in a while.
As I've written often enough to be a bit of a bore on the subject, the essential qualities of good writing are not grammar, spelling, or even syntax. These are merely tools that we use to attain the most important qualities, which are readability and clarity. Eventually, we all learn to focus on our own writing and leave others to do the same.
[Tipping hat] Thank you my good man.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137236 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The attack on grammar is your vain and inept way to reply to ones post. The critique of ones writing is merely a side bar meant to deflect and harass the poster. All the while promoting yourself as being something superior. This is typical narcissist behavior on your part.
Because you are unskilled in countering the annotations of those of faith. Your shallow responses are just that shallow. Lacking any real substance in your answers you typically express sarcasm and cynicism.
Meaning your depth as a intellectual is just not there. At best you may have a average IQ. Nothing superior to average. This is very evident by your counter attacks and reverting to your lame effort to side track post with grammar.
This is not the Queens school of grammar. And you certainly are not the Queens most studious student.
Frankly you are just another self absorbed atheist trying to make yourself look astute.
Why did you feel the need to type out this long post to me? I don't even think I was particularly mean in anything I said to, or about, you. I just pointed out an error that you constantly make that annoys me. And I may have pointed out that you're a bigot. So what? You are a bigot.

And I really don't care what you think of my intelligence. I'm not here to prove anything to anyone, I'm mostly here to read and learn from the occasional interesting/insightful post that pops up among all the nonsense peddlers like yourself.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137237 Nov 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That was a completely different thing. I said have someone put you in a microwave, and referred to radar beams.
You go to such lengths to twist things to imagine you are winning an argument on a stupid forum. You would surely do the same to win fame and glory with a research paper. I am sure you are marked by others to undergo a very stringent peer review. They should, anyhow.
Dave, you're being kind of ridiculous. The comment you made clearly implied that microwaves affect the epigenome in a way other than "cooking it." That is not what you meant, and if it is what you meant, it was a stunningly dull observation. I can change my molecular makeup by hacking my arm off, too.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137238 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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How do you know heís not and isnít it possible that you are flat out wrong?
I could be wrong, but probably not. I'm not the one trying to interpret the words of an all powerful deity through the lens of science. What makes you think mankind is capable of interpreting the words of a god? And if he meant for it to be interpreted, why would he make his one testament to mankind a garbled mess with no universally accepted way of "interpreting" it? Why did it become metaphorical only after science proved it's absurdity? What happens when every positive claim in the bible has been debunked by science? What then? Will the whole book be nothing more than a giant metaphor?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137239 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
John 8:44
Amplified Bible (AMP)
44 You are of your father, the devil, and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar [himself] and the father of lies and of all that is false.
That seems like a condemnation of lust and of giving into desires of the flesh. Where do you get homosexuality out of that? Also, have you ever lusted for someone? Have you ever given into that desire? Assuming you have, I have some bad news about your "father."

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137240 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, you're making me sick.
So you think that if science can't prove or detect or test something then it's non-existent.
Got it
You're an idiot.
Well, he's right. Anything supernatural is necessarily something that exists outside of our reality, and therefore does not exist for us.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137241 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Quite a bold statement. Just because YOU have never had a prayer answered does NOT suggest that "prayers are never answered", son. I have had prayers answered. Lots if people have.
You think that you have. It's called confirmation bias - a very simple concept. Everyone does it. Look at scientific studies on prayer. Or does god foul up the studies to confuse people?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137242 Nov 13, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspect that most here went though a stage as newbies in which we were overly critical of others' writing--I know I did. Most of us learn to avoid that distraction, especially after the tables are turned and every mistake that we make is pointed out. But we still notice, and it is still annoying. It's hard not to say so every great once in a while.
As I've written often enough to be a bit of a bore on the subject, the essential qualities of good writing are not grammar, spelling, or even syntax. These are merely tools that we use to attain the most important qualities, which are readability and clarity. Eventually, we all learn to focus on our own writing and leave others to do the same.
I have talked about his grammar one time, in a short post, and I made it clear that it was just one mistake that got on my nerves, not every mistake he made. I had ignored all of his mistakes up until then and I will continue to ignore them.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#137243 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, he's right. Anything supernatural is necessarily something that exists outside of our reality, and therefore does not exist for us.
He's not right and neither are you.

To think like you two do is to say that DNA was "non-existent" before it was discovered...

But that isn't true.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#137244 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You think that you have. It's called confirmation bias - a very simple concept. Everyone does it. Look at scientific studies on prayer. Or does god foul up the studies to confuse people?
Don't tell me what has and hasn't happened to me, you have no idea what you're talking about.
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#137245 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You think that you have. It's called confirmation bias - a very simple concept. Everyone does it. Look at scientific studies on prayer. Or does god foul up the studies to confuse people?
God don't need to confuse people?
because confused and dumb butts people like you,globaly confuse horibly all people,deceving them,Lie to them and f....yourselves own a....that is atheism

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137247 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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He's not right and neither are you.
To think like you two do is to say that DNA was "non-existent" before it was discovered...
But that isn't true.
It's a distinction that I don't think you are going to understand. DNA is not something that exists outside of the natural realm; it was invisible before it's discovery, but not non existent. The supernatural realm would, by definition, exist outside of our reality, and therefore it would be nonexistent to us.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137248 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't tell me what has and hasn't happened to me, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry, it's a simple fact that prayer doesn't work. Your conviction means nothing.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137249 Nov 13, 2012
dr Shrink wrote:
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God don't need to confuse people?
because confused and dumb butts people like you,globaly confuse horibly all people,deceving them,Lie to them and f....yourselves own a....that is atheism
What is this I don't even

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137250 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I have talked about his grammar one time, in a short post, and I made it clear that it was just one mistake that got on my nerves, not every mistake he made. I had ignored all of his mistakes up until then and I will continue to ignore them.
Yeah, that's what I meant when I wrote, "But we still notice, and it is still annoying. It's hard not to say so every great once in a while." One of the reasons that I rarely mention mistakes, though, is that they often offer insight into the way a writer thinks--or fails to. Our mistakes are part of our subtext, and unintentional ones at that. They are like gambling tells or the kind of micro-expressions that reveal the emotions behind the spoken word. Tells give other gamblers an extra edge. Little quirks in writing styles do the same.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137251 Nov 13, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Maybe one of the free thinkers can back me up. But there have been plenty of scientific studies showing prayer does not work. Prayers which seem answered are merely coincidence.
The fact that God fails to feed the hungry or give water to the thirsty, but lets millions starve and go without clean water, is proof that no loving all powerful deity exists.
This was the clincher for me. When I realised prayer is superstition.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

"Seeking to assess the effect of third-party prayer on patient outcomes, investigators found no evidence for divine intervention. They did, however, detect a possible proof for the power of negative thinking."

That's from the largest double blind study on prayer to date. No positive effect, slightly increased chance of dying.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137252 Nov 13, 2012
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
When I was a believe, god was an all loving all powerful deity. Not some impersonal force that didnt care about us.
Now the reality is that prayer is really talking to yourself. When in a church service everyone bows their heads and prays together this and that. They are really trying to invoke magic from imaginary sky people. Seen this way, you can see how this really is crazy.
I have a second point. That is asking things from god is actually going against the will of god. If you think god is all powerful and perfect, he will always do the right thing. Therefore when christians and muslims ask him to do things, bless this or heal that, and he isnt doing it; they are actually going directly against gods will.
So prayer is either a pointless superstition, or it is going against gods will. Either way it has no point.
Well said!

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