Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Oct 9, 2012
 
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<quoted text> It's the opinion, backed by reference from wikipedia, that I've supplied numerous times. Work done by archaeologists and experts in the field. You should supply the other opinions that refute or offer alternative explanations then, shouldn't you?
So far, all you really do is say - "NUH UH!".
This article gives an example of the ancients who wrote of the Exodus in which ''modern scholarship'' states were all wrong because the Exodus never happened.

http://bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus...

Modern scholarship knows better? LULZ

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ChristineM wrote:
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What makes you say that?
hahaha!

'cause you said female bodies were nicer :p

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Now wait a minute! Your actions helped caused an unstable mind, to think that it was alright to have sex with you; and you don't think you should take any responsibility for that!?!?!? WTF?!?!?
Therefore you should expect whatever comes you way without complaint!!!
Yeah, you have double standards, alright!
What? Are you saying that if a woman wears provocative clothing, it's partially her fault that she was raped?

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<quoted text>Mostly agree is good enough for me.
There was humor in my post...

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<quoted text>No, not trolling. People should not have to walk around on egg shells for anyone, ever. People should be able to wear a shirt or say what they want or make a movie with out worry of getting murdered over it. The expectation of getting killed over an opinion should not be an expectation, ever, for anyone, not just Americans.
<quoted text>At least you noticed that much.
<quoted text>Hatred can not be encited unless those that hate allow it to be. Why should the world coddle those with thin skins?
Totally!

I'm going to put posters of Allah hanging out with Zeus up, with the caption "we're both equally real, jerks. Now grab a beer and chill out."

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Key word: Opportunity.
We do not want to give the baddies *opportunity*.
I don't want my girlfriend, sister or mother excercising their rights to walk around on the city streets at night. Even though they have that liberty, it gives other the incentive.
Just because we have a right to go and offend people, does not mean that we should.
It's ok. I carry a gun.

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There was humor in my post...
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Mine too. So cheer up, yo.

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Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Mine too. So cheer up, yo.
Not until I get my rum!

Where's my rum?!?

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I very much agree with, with rights comes responsibilities! The problem is; where do you draw the line.
The idiot church that wanted to burn the qur'an; he went too far, in my book. He did that strictly to incite the mussies. He is one of those idiots who does not understand that he follows the same god as the mussies.
The South Park writers, the cartoonist, author, and this filmmaker, in my opinion, are not trying to incite anyone.
As far as Christine, she seems to have a strong bias for the mussies. Seems that they can do little wrong in her book and if they do, it is someone else's fault.
Here we go again, deliberately misunderstanding the concept of responsibility. I have said repeatedly that the murderers are responsible for murder. What makes this a strong bias? I have argued that a person is responsible for his actions. Freedom of speech does not diminish that responsibility, in fact my view that responsibility is more important.

The typical Muslim just as the typical christian just at the typical Jew, Hindu and atheist just want to get on with there lives, lives that they personally are responsible for. No god crutch, no excuses.

I do however make a distinction between decent people and terrorist.

Between people and murderers.

Between people and hate merchants

Between Christians and fundamentalists

Between Muslims and radicals

Between people and terrorist.

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<quoted text>Thank you for stereotyping a whole country. You are right ALL of the US hates Muslims.
Violent people will be violent they do not need an excuse. They may use an excuse, such as a stupid movie, but it is not needed. Such as the druken lout that beats his wife. He beats whether he is drunk or not over the tiniest infraction. Is it her fault for not bringing him the beer fast enough?
And again how does someone incite rape upon themselves?
Now where did I say ALL? Oh I see lying again, well done.

From what I have seen most of the population (not all by any means) but certainly the majority dislike Muslims. GWBush saw to that in his frustration at not being able to get to those responsible for 9/11 he chose to discredit a religion with the government backing him up.

You may call it a stupid movie, I call it I a deliberate exercise in inciting hatred. Neither is the point, the point is that people are responsible for their actions

Please read my previous reply to inciting rape reply because I am not repeating just for your sexual excitement

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Not until I get my rum!
Where's my rum?!?
yer rum is in me bum.

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What? Are you saying that if a woman wears provocative clothing, it's partially her fault that she was raped?
Interesting point. A father at work had this to say about young females in provocative dress at public functions. It attracts attention from everyone. Even the attention they do not want. The psychos, for example. In large crowds they are there. Every psycho in the crowd loves the way they dress.

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hahaha!
'cause you said female bodies were nicer :p
Why are there so many more painting of naked women than men?

Donít get me wrong, a nicely muscled male body is extremely attractive to cuddle up to but artistically the female form has them beat 8 times out of 10

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This is really getting to you isnít it?
I assume you are one who thinks everyone is responsible for his own actions except Americans
After all you have the freedom to do what the f*ck you want to any f*cker who disagrees with you and f*ck the consequences Ė right?
Just so long as you are not muslim and you agree 100% with you then everything is fine Ė right.
Honey, itís a big world, you donít like how a different culture in that big world lives then tough, learn to live with it
No Christine , I understand liability for what we do.
I do not support what the filmmaker put in film, I do support the freedom and right to do so. Yes he could have used better judgement , if he is guilty it is that ,. Guilt for exercising poor judgement.

Now lets talk about the people murdered , they were guilty of what?

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<quoted text>Not true.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
I was just responding to it being used in another comment. I did not bring it up.
I believe that it was you that satated that it is possible for a woman to incite rape upon herself..
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
My apologies, It was Aura Mytha
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

To which I replied

Then you jumped on the bandwagon with
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Followed by TBS in
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

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You're going to "murder" all of us to be free?
Uh...pardon me if I don't accept that.
You aren't trying to take my freedom are you?
It only applies to those who would try to do so.
Now what would you do to be free to choose to do things like
go to school in Hawaii or whatever?

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I suppose that we can blame the makers of the Batman movie for this nutjob..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21811...
Tell me did the makers of the batman movie make the film?

Well then it is obvious that they are responsible for making the film

And you stupid and patty foot stamping will never change that

James Holmes is responsible for the murders

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What is a double standard here? TBS made a statement
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ďI don't believe that we should walk around on egg shells for the mussies or anyone else.ď
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Therefore you should expect whatever comes you way without complaint
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Nothing double standard about that but of course we already know you are one of those Americans who thinks that Americans should not shoulder responsibility for their actions. So what can we assume from this? you are tolling, ok expected.
FYI, the Jews, Christians and Moslims all follow the same god, they just worship that god in a different way. Donít know much about the Abrahamic religions do you?
Which of course totally screws up the rest of your argument because it indicates that you know even less about other beliefs. My guess is in your case itís deliberate but hey hoÖ
However as I have said many times on here there is no excuse for murder just as there is no excuse for enticing hatred.
But you have become a Muslim apologist, our way is if someone is offended by someones Else's actions then sue them in court , if you have been wronged and "damaged" you can sue them.

That is the way it works Christine , no some Muslim made me mad so I have to go kill one. That's apparently acceptable behavior to Muslims. We all get the filmmaker was wrong , but the response is unacceptable and beneath me as much as you are for apologizing
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Okay, you have expressed yourself.
Now we know you are a prick who cares nothing for others.
Please, I am half your age. Do not embarass yourself by letting a 26 year told tell you to act appropriately.

Look I am emotionless in the matter. I really think the filmmaker was wrong. But the truth is what does the film have to do with sentencing the specific people who were murdered to die?
If I go to a movie and don't like it I will get up and leave.
It doesn't cause me to kill a German from watching a film about Nazis.

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<quoted text> No Christine , I understand liability for what we do.
I do not support what the filmmaker put in film, I do support the freedom and right to do so. Yes he could have used better judgement , if he is guilty it is that ,. Guilt for exercising poor judgement.
Now lets talk about the people murdered , they were guilty of what?
I was not apportioning guilt I was highlighting human responsibility. He made the film he was therefor responsible for making the film. No one else, just him and no matter how loud your threats and big your gun or you are never going to change that.

He deliberately edited and dubbed the film after production with the sole intention of inciting hatred against a particular faith, a faith that he is known to violently oppose. Whether he is American or the man from mars will not change that either.

His judgement was not just poor, it was appalling. It is my view based on the known evidence that it caused the reaction that he meant it to cause. He hoped it would stir up trouble he hoped it would cause riots across the Muslim world. Perhaps he got some sort of perverse excitement from the reaction to the film until the murder that such riots inevitably cause.

As they say, itís all fun until someone looses and eye.

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