Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Aura Mytha]

SupaAFC wrote:

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When you can define atheism in positive terms without any negative terminlogy, it becomes a religion. This is in the same league as trying to square a circle.
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Of course, when pressed to provide examples of how American atheists are using public schools to spread atheistic propaganda, all you can point towards are Stalin, Mao and an obscure movie set in Mexico.
None of what you claim is happening, is actually happening. It is all in your head.

Theist's defining atheism a religion is just a lame attempt to shove religion into your life. They have no concept of life without there being religion in it so they assign one to you.

[Captain]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You are so separated from reality that you believe a book that describes a monster as being the ultimate truth. You believe that a book with only a few million words can contain all the knowledge you will ever need. You believe that a god who is all powerful actually cares what you think about your fifth grade teacher. You believe that the universe just popped into existence from nothing with no more than a spoken word. You believe that a talking snake helped your god carry out a plan with a huge flaw that required the first two humans to be complete and total idiots and that all it's worshipers be just as stupid in order to repay that one "sin" that was required for that whole messed up plan to work in the first place because your god is such an imbecile that it was unable to make a perfect plan at all.
.... and you call us blind?

In comparison and in response to your extreme negative portrayal of the Holy Bible.

The Bible has a moral code.

Atheist have moral relativity, that has no boundary. So it devolves into complete moral decay until it becomes without any compassion and becomes pure evil by despots who become ego-maniacs, like Hitler. It is the philosophy and religion of "the end justifies the means"

Atheists (of course they try to deny everything and claim nothing), but they claim nothing created everything.

Christians claim all of creation has a Creator.

The Bible contains a collection of sacred history of prophetic, and poetic words of transcendent worth that teach the principles of the gospel. The gospel is the plan of salvation to strengthen individuals, families and society. It teaches laws, principles, doctrines, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to exalt mankind. It is not the sum total of all needed knowledge as you try to claim. But it is enough to gain a testimony of faith and trust in God.

I suppose the Richard Dawkins and his literary works have become the atheists latest attempt at an atheist bible with your beliefs. In his summation of the works of other atheists. And his contempt of other religions.

Atheist have no plan of redemption and justice.

Life to them is just "dust to dust" and life becomes a contest to take advantage over other people by any means necessary that they can get away with. While they try to circumvent any rules and regulations of their society, they also try to rigidly enforce those laws on other people, so they can gain an advantage. Whatever they can get away with becomes their advantage, and also because they do not believe in ultimate justice or the concept of hell. Then they believe that the only punishment is when they are caught committing crimes by law enforcement. Otherwise there is no punishment and no need to have a conscience.

[Religionthebigli e]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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Theist's defining atheism a religion is just a lame attempt to shove religion into your life. They have no concept of life without there being religion in it so they assign one to you.

Nah, it's just a way to antagonize and get you trapped into a circular argument.

[Captain]

Drew Smith wrote:

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How exactly does one "admit" to something that isn't true. Atheism is the lack of theistic belief. As such, how can it be a religion?
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Atheism isn't a religion. Now, what is the evidence that atheists "won't allow" such comparisons in public schools?

"claim nothing and deny everything"....this is the first law of your religion of atheism.

[Religionthebigli e]

Captain wrote:

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In comparison and in response to your extreme negative portrayal of the Holy Bible.
The Bible has a moral code.
Atheist have moral relativity, that has no boundary. So it devolves into complete moral decay until it becomes without any compassion and becomes pure evil by despots who become ego-maniacs, like Hitler. It is the philosophy and religion of "the end justifies the means"
Atheists (of course they try to deny everything and claim nothing), but they claim nothing created everything.
Christians claim all of creation has a Creator.
The Bible contains a collection of sacred history of prophetic, and poetic words of transcendent worth that teach the principles of the gospel. The gospel is the plan of salvation to strengthen individuals, families and society. It teaches laws, principles, doctrines, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to exalt mankind. It is not the sum total of all needed knowledge as you try to claim. But it is enough to gain a testimony of faith and trust in God.
I suppose the Richard Dawkins and his literary works have become the atheists latest attempt at an atheist bible with your beliefs. In his summation of the works of other atheists. And his contempt of other religions.
Atheist have no plan of redemption and justice.
Life to them is just "dust to dust" and life becomes a contest to take advantage over other people by any means necessary that they can get away with. While they try to circumvent any rules and regulations of their society, they also try to rigidly enforce those laws on other people, so they can gain an advantage. Whatever they can get away with becomes their advantage, and also because they do not believe in ultimate justice or the concept of hell. Then they believe that the only punishment is when they are caught committing crimes by law enforcement. Otherwise there is no punishment and no need to have a conscience.

Cristians claim a moral code, but don't adhere to it. You're projecting. Christians are saying one thing and doing another, and by your standard, are acting like atheists.

[SupaAFC]

Captain wrote:

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The Bible has a moral code.

That Topix Christians have a really hard time following.

Captain wrote:

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Atheist have moral relativity, that has no boundary. So it devolves into complete moral decay until it becomes without any compassion and becomes pure evil by despots who become ego-maniacs, like Hitler. It is the philosophy and religion of "theend justifies the means"

And following on from the above, here's exhibit A. Thanks for the strawman.

Captain wrote:

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Atheists (of course they try to deny everything and claim nothing), but they claim nothing created everything.

Another strawman. Atheism has no say on the origins of anything.

Captain wrote:

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Christians claim all of creation has a Creator.

Except God as a result of their special pleading.

Captain wrote:

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The Bible contains a collection of sacred history of prophetic, and poetic words of transcendent worth that teach the principles of the gospel. The gospel is the plan of salvation to strengthen individuals, families and society. It teaches laws, principles, doctrines, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to exalt mankind. It is not the sum total of all needed knowledge as you try to claim. But it is enough to gain a testimony of faith and trust in God.

You can find many of the Christian stories and morals in religions that predate it such as Jainism and Egypt. That is because the bible, being one of the younger religious texts, is simply a compilation of many past myths.

Captain wrote:

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I suppose the Richard Dawkins and his literary works have become the atheists latest attempt at an atheist bible with your beliefs.

Dawkins uses his fame as a biologist and atheist to sell books that make him money. What Dawkins thinks is immaterial to how atheists at large think.In his summation of the works of other atheists. And his contempt of other religions.

Captain wrote:

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Atheist have no plan of redemption and justice.
Life to them is just "dust to dust" and life becomes a contest to take advantage over other people by any means necessary that they can get away with. While they try to circumvent any rules and regulations of their society, they also try to rigidly enforce those laws on other people, so they can gain an advantage. Whatever they can get away with becomes their advantage, and also because they do not believe in ultimate justice or the concept of hell. Then they believe that the only punishment is when they are caught committing crimes by law enforcement. Otherwise there is no punishment and no need to have a conscience.

If this were true then you could show us how American atheists are using the public sphere to push atheism on others. But you can't, because it is all in your head.

[SupaAFC]

Captain wrote:

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"claim nothing and deny everything"....this is the first law of your religion of atheism.

In other words, d!pshit can't demonstrate how atheism qualifies as a religion or how atheists are supposedly forcing their beliefs on other people.

[Captain]

Religionthebiglie wrote:

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Cristians claim a moral code, but don't adhere to it. You're projecting. Christians are saying one thing and doing another, and by your standard, are acting like atheists.

The difference is that Christians know all mankind is not perfect. Humans break laws and commit sins, but belief in God also causes a belief in eternal consequences of reward or punishment and that ultimately justice will prevail.

An atheist, because he is imperfect is in a constant quest to see what he can get away with in life and death is final with no hereafter and hence no real sense of justice. It is moral chaos that an atheist believes in.

[Captain]

SupaAFC wrote:

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In other words, d!pshit can't demonstrate how atheism qualifies as a religion or how atheists are supposedly forcing their beliefs on other people.

Your lack of human decency and inability to be polite is obvious.

Once again, I am not trying to convince you of anything. The open minded who are reading these posts can read and determine what is truth.

Atheism IS a religion !

It requires faith and belief in your dogma and theories.

[Religionthebigli e]

Captain wrote:

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The difference is that Christians know all mankind is not perfect. Humans break laws and commit sins, but belief in God also causes a belief in eternal consequences of reward or punishment and that ultimately justice will prevail.
An atheist, because he is imperfect is in a constant quest to see what he can get away with in life and death is final with no hereafter and hence no real sense of justice. It is moral chaos that an atheist believes in.

I'm an atheist, and I don't go through life trying to get away with things. I have a conscience and I don't like to hurt people. It's pretty simple.

[SupaAFC]

Captain wrote:

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Your lack of human decency and inability to be polite is obvious.
Once again, I am not trying to convince you of anything. The open minded who are reading these posts can read and determine what is truth.
Atheism IS a religion !
It requires faith and belief in your dogma and theories.

If atheism is a religion then you can easily define it without using negative terminlogy.

But, you can't, because atheism is not a religion.

[Drew Smith]

How exactly does one "admit" to something that isn't true. Atheism is the lack of theistic belief. As such, how can it be a religion?
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Atheism isn't a religion. Now, what is the evidence that atheists "won't allow" such comparisons in public schools?

Captain wrote:

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"claim nothing and deny everything"....this is the first law of your religion of atheism.

I notice that you avoided answering any of my questions.

[Drew Smith]

Captain wrote:

An atheist, because he is imperfect is in a constant quest to see what he can get away with in life

I'm an atheist, but I have no such quest.

Guess you're wrong.

[Captain]

Humanism asserts that their belief of the nature of the universe as depicted by modern academia , makes unacceptable any supernatural or cosmic guarantees of human values. And since the 1930's, foundations such as the Rockefeller Foundation have wrestled control of the public schools. And promoted that only secular humanism may be taught as appropriate as a form of moral behavior.

In other words, humanism is the only religion in America that has as its purpose and program the reconstitution of U.S. institutions, and this is an overt declaration of war against biblical religion.

Forty years later, Humanist Manifesto II stated, "As non-theists, we begin with humans not God, nature not deity. We can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species.... No deity will save us, we must save ourselves."

In the January/February 1983 issue of The Humanist magazine, an atheist by the name of John J. Dunphy expressed the aim of humanists in education with these very blunt words:

"I am convinced that the battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: a religion of humanity that recognizes and respects that spark of what theologians call divinity in every human being. These teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach, regardless of educational level -- preschool day care or large state university. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new, and the new faith of humanism, resplendent in its promise of a world in which the never-realized Christian ideal of "love thy neighbor" will finally be ended."

Mr. Dunphy did Christian parents a great service by telling them exactly what humanists want to accomplish in the public schools. Humanists are forever paying lip service in asserting the separation of church and state when it comes to keeping Christianity out of the schools. But when it comes to humanism, they are strangely silent. As a result, humanism has become the establishment religion in our schools, and no one in the federal government or the Congress has seen fit to do anything about it.

Obviously, from a Christian point of view, the experiment of government education has been a colossal failure. In place of God, the public schools offer evolution, multiculturalism, transcendental meditation, situational ethics, deviant sex education, sensitivity training, whole language, behaviorism, magic circles, and other humanist teachings.

These programs are creating the new nihilists, the amoral barbarians and the followers of Karl Marx that are devastating the lives of thousands of families. What will it take for the majority of Christian parents to realize that the public schools have become a spiritual danger for their children? Those Christian children who are strong in their faith still have to contend with the atheists among the teachers who may wish to brain wash them and have 40 hours per week to indoctrinate them.

The lesson is painfully simple: When a nation abandons moral absolutes, it opens the door to unbridled evil.

As a society we have allow public schools to "dumb down" and remove moral absolutes from many in the younger generation. Until the religion of secular humanism is removed as the new state religion, then this trend will increase.

[Captain]

Drew Smith wrote:

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I'm an atheist, but I have no such quest.
Guess you're wrong.

And you also have no moral code for anyone to believe anything you say.

[Captain]

Religionthebiglie wrote:

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I'm an atheist, and I don't go through life trying to get away with things. I have a conscience and I don't like to hurt people. It's pretty simple.

that is like saying, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."

You have situational ethics and no moral absolutes.

[Drew Smith]

I'm an atheist, but I have no such quest.
Guess you're wrong.

Captain wrote:

And you also have no moral code...

Yes, I do. I just don't invent imaginary skydaddies to claim authorship of it.

[Captain]

Drew Smith wrote:

How exactly does one "admit" to something that isn't true. Atheism is the lack of theistic belief. As such, how can it be a religion?
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Atheism isn't a religion. Now, what is the evidence that atheists "won't allow" such comparisons in public schools?
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I notice that you avoided answering any of my questions.

see post #107086

[Captain]

Drew Smith wrote:

I'm an atheist, but I have no such quest.
Guess you're wrong.
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Yes, I do. I just don't invent imaginary skydaddies to claim authorship of it.

Without a belief in a soul, a hereafter, and a righteous, just, and merciful God, then the only other alternative is chaotic evil.

[KittenKoder]

Captain wrote:

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IAtheist have moral relativity, that has no boundary. So it devolves into complete moral decay until it becomes without any compassion and becomes pure evil by despots who become ego-maniacs ...

Then how did humanity survive prior to the "ten commandments?"

How come we have better secular morals and laws than in the bible?

Why is it that christians are shooting 4 year old kids for "acting gay?"