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# Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#233466 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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"a few millimeters in diameter" is finite.
You say the diameter is now infinite.
An expansion of infinite distance in 13.8 billion years requires what average rate of expansion?
"A" x 13.8 billion = Infinite
There is no quantity "A" that can complete the equation, i.e., there is no rate of expansion that can reach infinite distance in 13.8 billion years, or in any finite time period.
Furthermore, the finite "few millimeters" cannot reach infinity at any speed over any amount of time.
Further still, at any finite speed of expansion, over any finite time period, the expansion would be NO CLOSER to infinite in distance than when it started at "a few millimeters".
Any expansion of the finite diameter would be the next finite diameter.
For it to reach infinity is impossible.
An infinite distance is unreachable, in any context of physical reality.
Hence, the principle of infinity - "that which is unreachable"
And none of this depends on whether or not it can be measured, or whether it is observable.
It's impossible either way.

What was a few millimeters in diameter was essentially infinite in content.I showed you where the theory states a singular point became the entire observable universe.
But in the expansion a singular point also became infinite points to expand from.
It didn't take an intelligent design, we cant find a creator , we cant find an edge , it only has a time like horizon, but none of any of your beliefs of divinity or finite qualities, are anywhere to be found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflaton .

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#233467 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I didn't dismiss science. I dismissed the physicist. After I proved him wrong.

You proved nothing, well maybe you proved you will argue till the cows come home.
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#233468 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Stalin was motivated by atheism. The historical record is clear. He sought a god-free Russia. He put cabinet agencies in place for the advancement of atheism, and presided over cleansing of religion.
Hitler was motivated by Darwinism. He regarded Jews as propagators of inferior genes and endeavored to give natural selection a turbo-boost. He was also motivated by a hatred of Judaism and Christianity. Whether he believed in some type of god, or was atheist, is debatable.
Creationist lies.

Atheism is a simple disbelief in god and does not instruct anyone to commit mass murder.

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#233469 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I didn't dismiss science. I dismissed the physicist. After I proved him wrong.
The only thing you've proven is that your filthy cult is low down and dirty and needs to lie in order to recruit.

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#233470 Jul 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What was a few millimeters in diameter was essentially infinite in content.I showed you where the theory states a singular point became the entire observable universe.
But in the expansion a singular point also became infinite points to expand from.
It didn't take an intelligent design, we cant find a creator , we cant find an edge , it only has a time like horizon, but none of any of your beliefs of divinity or finite qualities, are anywhere to be found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflaton .
How did that singularity become infinite points?

Was the beginning a wad of Dubble Bubble gum?

Don't just "show" us your theory, which others developed for you. Show us you truly understand it.

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#233471 Jul 25, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Hitler hated Jewish people on a racial not religious basis. Jewish converts to Christianity were murdered because of his crack-pot racial theories.
What was his hate for Christians based on?

Fashion taste?

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#233472 Jul 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What was a few millimeters in diameter was essentially infinite in content.I showed you where the theory states a singular point became the entire observable universe.
But in the expansion a singular point also became infinite points to expand from.
It didn't take an intelligent design, we cant find a creator , we cant find an edge , it only has a time like horizon, but none of any of your beliefs of divinity or finite qualities, are anywhere to be found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflaton .
You're nuts.

Infinite content or infinite points is not infinite in extent, which is your claim for the present universe.

You still have the unsolvable problem of expanding from a few millimeters distance to infinite distance.

Which is impossible.

You are also wrong on "infinite content" and "infinite points".

That's impossible, too.

You sling around "infinite" as if it means "a lot, or really, really big".

Infinite density is "density which cannot be reached".

Infinite content is "content which cannot be reached".

Infinite distance is "distance which cannot be reached".

And you claim all these have been reached.

Know lots of married bachelors, do you?

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#233473 Jul 25, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How did that singularity become infinite points?
Was the beginning a wad of Dubble Bubble gum?
Don't just "show" us your theory, which others developed for you. Show us you truly understand it.
The singularity is a point in where all physical laws are compressed unto one force aka: superforce.
At extreme high temperature and pressures the 4 fundamental forces join together as a Super Force.
Space and time are not connected as dimensions, but are indistinguishable.

As it cooled and the forces seprated, time became a dimension and the singular point expands in a
phase transition of a cosmic inflation. This is the Inflationary epoch where it is bordered by an
cosmic event horizion with infinite points expanding from every direction. This is why the universe
is isotropic and every point, seems to be the point of origin. When the Inflationary epoch
ended the expotential growth slowed, but expansion continues in a time cooradinate fashion of the
space/time continuum where two points are moving apart in comoving distances.

The only finite part we can see is the time like horizon created by the limitation of the speed of light,
effectively creating what we know as the observable universe.
This is the horizon where all that we can see now, extends to a point where everything we will eventually
see transitions to parts we will never be able to see, because the expansion has progressed faster than light
and the light will never be able to travel the distance to here. Or simply the distance has become infinite
between the two time cooradanites of space/time between the points.
Simply the cosmic event horizon that existed from the start of space/time.

So...
The universe is infinite as a singular point where space or time does not exist as a dimensions you can measure by.
When space/time exists , it is bordered by a time like horizon or the cosmic event horizon aka: the point
that exists infinity beyond this point in space/time of space/time coordanites between those two points.

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#233474 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You're nuts.
Infinite content or infinite points is not infinite in extent, which is your claim for the present universe.
You still have the unsolvable problem of expanding from a few millimeters distance to infinite distance.
Which is impossible.
You are also wrong on "infinite content" and "infinite points".
That's impossible, too.
You sling around "infinite" as if it means "a lot, or really, really big".
Infinite density is "density which cannot be reached".
Infinite content is "content which cannot be reached".
Infinite distance is "distance which cannot be reached".
And you claim all these have been reached.
Know lots of married bachelors, do you?

It's true, it's impossible for the universe to exist.
We haven't a clue how it can be here, yet here it is.
You think because it seems impossible and logic fails , that it was created by god.
You also think atheism is a religion.
That life was intelligently designed.
That there is a god.
That infinity is impossible.
That specified complexity exists.
That you know more about the constitution and the universe than anyone else.
That your beliefs are physical laws.
And...That I'm nuts

Maybe you should get your own head examined?.

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#233475 Jul 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The singularity is a point in where all physical laws are compressed unto one force aka: superforce.
At extreme high temperature and pressures the 4 fundamental forces join together as a Super Force.
Space and time are not connected as dimensions, but are indistinguishable.
As it cooled and the forces seprated, time became a dimension and the singular point expands in a
phase transition of a cosmic inflation. This is the Inflationary epoch where it is bordered by an
cosmic event horizion with infinite points expanding from every direction. This is why the universe
is isotropic and every point, seems to be the point of origin. When the Inflationary epoch
ended the expotential growth slowed, but expansion continues in a time cooradinate fashion of the
space/time continuum where two points are moving apart in comoving distances.
The only finite part we can see is the time like horizon created by the limitation of the speed of light,
effectively creating what we know as the observable universe.
This is the horizon where all that we can see now, extends to a point where everything we will eventually
see transitions to parts we will never be able to see, because the expansion has progressed faster than light
and the light will never be able to travel the distance to here. Or simply the distance has become infinite
between the two time cooradanites of space/time between the points.
Simply the cosmic event horizon that existed from the start of space/time.
So...
The universe is infinite as a singular point where space or time does not exist as a dimensions you can measure by.
When space/time exists , it is bordered by a time like horizon or the cosmic event horizon aka: the point
that exists infinity beyond this point in space/time of space/time coordanites between those two points.
You copied and pasted every word of that, and did not understand even one sentence.

Put another way:

"If a single particle or quanta of energy exists within an infinite continuum, it defines place of differentiation, dividing that continuum into more than one singular thing (this and that).

But infinity is indivisible. Containing anything other than itself proves division. A scale of linearity or distinction has been imposed Â– hence it is not infinite. Infinity must be without scale (scale requires divisibility and comparison against something else) and without description (lacking any specific reference point Â– it is indivisible).

Any physical infinite would require the exclusion of all else. It is, therefore, logically irrelevant to anything to do with our universe."

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#233476 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You copied and pasted every word of that, and did not understand even one sentence.
Put another way:
"If a single particle or quanta of energy exists within an infinite continuum, it defines place of differentiation, dividing that continuum into more than one singular thing (this and that).
But infinity is indivisible. Containing anything other than itself proves division. A scale of linearity or distinction has been imposed Â– hence it is not infinite. Infinity must be without scale (scale requires divisibility and comparison against something else) and without description (lacking any specific reference point Â– it is indivisible).
Any physical infinite would require the exclusion of all else. It is, therefore, logically irrelevant to anything to do with our universe."
Yada yada yada blah blah blah , I copied nothing .
I understand it is the theoretical explanation of the big bang, or a part of it in a specific but incomplete way.
But you hit on the truth a little, but don't you just do not accept it.
In the case of the universe, the singularity is a singular point of infinite content.
I don't pretend to know why this can be, but I at least tried to explain to you how we know it was. The key to it us understanding the cosmic event horizon and the limitation of the observable vs the reality of the *actual universe within it's time like horizon.

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#233477 Jul 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The singularity is a point in where all physical laws are compressed unto one force aka: superforce.
At extreme high temperature and pressures the 4 fundamental forces join together as a Super Force.
Space and time are not connected as dimensions, but are indistinguishable.
As it cooled and the forces seprated, time became a dimension and the singular point expands in a
phase transition of a cosmic inflation. This is the Inflationary epoch where it is bordered by an
cosmic event horizion with infinite points expanding from every direction. This is why the universe
is isotropic and every point, seems to be the point of origin. When the Inflationary epoch
ended the expotential growth slowed, but expansion continues in a time cooradinate fashion of the
space/time continuum where two points are moving apart in comoving distances.
The only finite part we can see is the time like horizon created by the limitation of the speed of light,
effectively creating what we know as the observable universe.
This is the horizon where all that we can see now, extends to a point where everything we will eventually
see transitions to parts we will never be able to see, because the expansion has progressed faster than light
and the light will never be able to travel the distance to here. Or simply the distance has become infinite
between the two time cooradanites of space/time between the points.
Simply the cosmic event horizon that existed from the start of space/time.
So...
The universe is infinite as a singular point where space or time does not exist as a dimensions you can measure by.
When space/time exists , it is bordered by a time like horizon or the cosmic event horizon aka: the point
that exists infinity beyond this point in space/time of space/time coordanites between those two points.
Sport, you are playing in la la land physics. You are spellbound by the high sounding words and phrases.
Buck or I are not there to do it, so you need to slap yourself awake and go back and read the curious mix of real physics and fantasy you wrote there.

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#233478 Jul 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Yada yada yada blah blah blah , I copied nothing .
I understand it is the theoretical explanation of the big bang, or a part of it in a specific but incomplete way.
But you hit on the truth a little, but don't you just do not accept it.
In the case of the universe, the singularity is a singular point of infinite content.
I don't pretend to know why this can be, but I at least tried to explain to you how we know it was. The key to it us understanding the cosmic event horizon and the limitation of the observable vs the reality of the *actual universe within it's time like horizon.
The volume of the universe began, as you admit, at a few millimeters.

With expansion, addition of volume occurred per each second of expansion.

To add an infinite volume, you would need infinite seconds, or infinite time.

You are arguing, though you don't know it, that infinite time has elaspsed since the Big Bang.

Alternatively, you have to argue that time since the Big Bang is finite, but more than a finite volume was added each second.

Neither is a part of any cosmological theory.

Just another way of proving your assertion is impossible.

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#233479 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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The volume of the universe began, as you admit, at a few millimeters.
With expansion, addition of volume occurred per each second of expansion.
To add an infinite volume, you would need infinite seconds, or infinite time.
You are arguing, though you don't know it, that infinite time has elaspsed since the Big Bang.
Alternatively, you have to argue that time since the Big Bang is finite, but more than a finite volume was added each second.
Neither is a part of any cosmological theory.
Just another way of proving your assertion is impossible.
The boy is in need of intervention.

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#233480 Jul 25, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The boy is in need of intervention.
Yes.

Even more disturbing is he is in line with the actual state of affairs of cosmological physics, at least the current academic types.

If you have never seen the popular theoretical physicist, Lawrence Krauss, explain how the universe "came from nothing", it's worth a look.

Crackpots like Krauss are lauded with publicity. He is regularly on that TV show about the Universe, forgot the name.

It is, as you mentioned, a religious cult.

The creed - "Material is all there is, and all we are. Amen." They will adopt any mythology that supports it.

Incidentally, there is a 90 minute debate in which William Lane Craig, a christian philosopher, reduced Lawrence Krauss to a mumbling pile of crap.

Patrick

United States

#233481 Jul 25, 2014
Science is silent on atheism?

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#233482 Jul 25, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Sport, you are playing in la la land physics. You are spellbound by the high sounding words and phrases.
Buck or I are not there to do it, so you need to slap yourself awake and go back and read the curious mix of real physics and fantasy you wrote there.

You go back to reading your bible, as you are spellbound by your intelligent designer.

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#233483 Jul 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Yes.
Even more disturbing is he is in line with the actual state of affairs of cosmological physics, at least the current academic types.
If you have never seen the popular theoretical physicist, Lawrence Krauss, explain how the universe "came from nothing", it's worth a look.
Crackpots like Krauss are lauded with publicity. He is regularly on that TV show about the Universe, forgot the name.
It is, as you mentioned, a religious cult.
The creed - "Material is all there is, and all we are. Amen." They will adopt any mythology that supports it.
Incidentally, there is a 90 minute debate in which William Lane Craig, a christian philosopher, reduced Lawrence Krauss to a mumbling pile of crap.
Tell us about Behe and Meyer prove Irreducible bullshittery is proving science wrong bucktooth. Maybe they can explain the big bang for you.

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#233484 Jul 25, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You go back to reading your bible, as you are spellbound by your intelligent designer.
Boy, I have been tracing this schematic of the distribution of force for over 30 years, and have learned to look up on occasion to stay focused on it. It can get easy getting lost in one of the parallel circuits, including the one you create yourself. I understand your quantum mechanics.

I use the term EM purely for convention, the same force distribution is patterned and reflected in the movement of mass. There is a packetizing of that force. Your limitations in understandiing what I have been posting on here for over 3 years have caused you to see only refrigerator magnets and Bible reading. That is because you are in a rabbit hole.

You have undoubtedy read more of the Bible than I have. I have browsed it, but have not "studied" it. The same goes for other religious works, modern scientific stuff, and a wide variety of other aspects of the living experience. I pick out patterns and processes. I have also functioned for a while as a very conscious, albeit highly modified, consciousness totally disconnected from mass and energy as you know it. I can give you a description of how it is when that Higg's boson is switched off. I can give you a description of some of what you have been posting re infinity, transversing time and space and related items from first hand experience. And I still don't have the ultimate answer, and never will in this manifestation. But you should notice from what I post I have a certain transcendance of this manifested existence. And I certainly don't propose a skydaddy as you understand one to be, and thus react to. That is an issue you have to resolve within yourself. But I certainly know there are higher forces and intelligences behind this movie we are in.

You are focused straight ahead as a material creature. It goes with the territory of the local physics. A car with headlights in total darkness. You can't see the road you are traveling or the landscape out of the beams. When those beams go out you will see things differently.

Your Superforce has some merit, but it is a goddidit. Figure how you got that granularity for that expansion and condensation and formation of forces, how you can have that high heat without a force being applied to it, and a few other aspects of it. Right now you are preaching magic.

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#233485 Jul 25, 2014
"But I certainly know there are higher forces and intelligences behind this movie we are in."

As individual players.

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