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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#232273 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is by some measures the world’s most popular official (the Catholic Church claims exclusive authorship) christian manual. It is also a shameless grotesque compendium of sensational ridiculous stories, unverified memes, anonymously sourced goat herder gossip, thinly veiled sexism, and hypocritical moralizing.
You mentioned Matthew don't you find it odd that there isn't one Christian on the planet that follows Matthews advice?
Matthew 6:6
And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Truly I say to you, They have their reward. But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.
But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Why are there churches - synagogues and temples?
I don't believe that anyone here is a Christian, but even among the Christians I know, they only follow what their sect tells them. Much like the fake Christians here, they only follow what feel good at the time or what they can use to judge others.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232274 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a sociopath?
Obviously, you have not spoken to my parole officer. Or my ex-wife. Or the two cops who tried to arrest me in Columbus, Georgia. Or,...never mind.
NEVER MIND!
< good advice on your posts>

At least we know how you found Jesus!

We can feel pity for your other experiences whilst incarcerated and tormented by inappropriate attention from some that don't share your Christian sexual views.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#232275 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't claim to have figured it out on my own. I didn't. I just have the equations.
Anyways, it wouldn't have been possible to figure out until the 1900's physics.
And...it makes no difference to me if you "believe" me. I honestly don't care. One day, I'll publish these things. Until then, meh.
It truly is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh , when the the theists exhorts the atheist .." Come on , get back to reality . "

I'm just trying to keep you from a life of ridicule .

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#232276 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody is born an atheist.
By such a definition, a turd is an atheist.
An atheist is a person who holds the belief that gods do not exist.
Don't make me prove it. It bores me.
I love the way trolls and believers change the meanings of words to suit their bullshit, but this one has been done to death.
Funny how butt crack came up with a turd though!
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232277 Jul 11, 2014
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe that anyone here is a Christian, but even among the Christians I know, they only follow what their sect tells them. Much like the fake Christians here, they only follow what feel good at the time or what they can use to judge others.
Hypocrites all.

The "only "Bible is the old testament.

It is Jewish, but all sects of Christianity have modified re-modified this to suit their own fantasies. I daresay there's over 100 versions of this book, each with its particular nuances and of course interpretations.

Not one of these posters as read the book they are so fond of! If they did in and enjoyed any modicum of common sense they would reject it.

"They came with a Bible and their religion, stole our land, crushed our spirit, and now tell us we should be thankful to the Lord for being saved."
~Ottawa Indian chief Pontiac

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#232278 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Not being an atheist doesn't mean one is a theist.
You claimed to know babies have no belief in deities.
Back it up.
No, yes, no – buck stomps his foot again

And you clamed “Nobody is born an atheist.”

You made the claim as shown now fooking admit to it you chicken sh|t piece of vermin turd

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#232279 Jul 11, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>Out of all the arguments for the bible being inconsistent, yours is the silliest I have ever heard.
Cool! Silly insults have no affect on me, but you keep trying!! LOL!
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>If you take information from another part of the book in order to clarify a point made somewhere else, it's wrong,
So, how would you know what Ham's sin was, unless you read what, "seeing someone's nakedness", meant? If you didn't read other parts of the bible, you would thing that seeing your father naked was an unforgivable sin.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text> oh also, if an entire section doesn't work so well with the point I am trying to make, I will omit that section.
As would any believer.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text> BTW I'm not the one who is saying there is something wrong with studying the bible in a manner that "cherry picks." In fact that is the manner in which I have always seen it studied.
Yes, I could cherry pick a history book and come up with a whole new history of the world, or cherry pick the law and make anything I did legal!
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>I think you might be the one who is inconsistent.
I don't believe that. I think you know and you are just play games.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text> Couldn't help but notice you didn't answer my question about genetics and equality... speaking of inconsistencies.
I will answer any question! Any question at all! The answer may very well be, "I don't know." or "that is none of you business", but I will answer. I do believe that some people who really care about this subject stop by and read a few posts to see what this site is about and if I answer honestly, that may send them off to check my findings, If they do that, then they will benefit and if they come back and share their findings, I may benefit. Unfortunately, we have to deal with a few trolls to get our messages out.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#232280 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Hypocrites all.
The "only "Bible is the old testament.
It is Jewish, but all sects of Christianity have modified re-modified this to suit their own fantasies. I daresay there's over 100 versions of this book, each with its particular nuances and of course interpretations.
Not one of these posters as read the book they are so fond of! If they did in and enjoyed any modicum of common sense they would reject it.
"They came with a Bible and their religion, stole our land, crushed our spirit, and now tell us we should be thankful to the Lord for being saved."
~Ottawa Indian chief Pontiac
Oh how that hated Gutenberg! He made the bible accessible for all to read! Little did the church leaders realize, their flocks would not read the bible!

Oh how they hated the Internet! It made the errors, the inconsistencies, and the horrible stories visible for all to see. Little did they realize, the indoctrinated would dismiss and excuse all those stories and even perpetuate lies given by the pulpit.

The surest cure for religion: reading the book the religion is based on and that pill is just too large for most.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#232281 Jul 11, 2014
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe that anyone here is a Christian, but even among the Christians I know, they only follow what their sect tells them. Much like the fake Christians here, they only follow what feel good at the time or what they can use to judge others.
They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.-Acts 2:42-47

This is how a church ought to behave. Now, churches still have to operate in a world twisted by sin, and they are still a collection of individuals. Therefore, you're not going to see perfection.

There are plenty of warnings about fakes, but if you can read a man's heart and know his sincerity then you're better at this stuff than I am. It's also a good idea to not lose sight that the first believers were acting in response to God's mercy and Christ's grace. They knew they were sinners and didn't really pretend to not be. So, if you're looking for Christians that don't act like they are perfect, who are sincere, there are plenty of them. But if you're looking for Christians that can actually "keep up" with Christ, I don't think you're ever going to find it.

It might be a good idea, also, to keep in mind that you don't know how the people here conduct themselves outside of this forum, so there isn't much you can know about anyone on here I imagine.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#232282 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't claim to have figured it out on my own. I didn't. I just have the equations.
Anyways, it wouldn't have been possible to figure out until the 1900's physics.
And...it makes no difference to me if you "believe" me. I honestly don't care. One day, I'll publish these things. Until then, meh.
I'd be fascinated.

You do publish, shoot me a link?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232283 Jul 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
No, yes, no – buck stomps his foot again
And you clamed “Nobody is born an atheist.”
You made the claim as shown now fooking admit to it you chicken sh|t piece of vermin turd
Nobody is born an atheist.

To do so would mean he had adopted a belief in the womb. Specifically, he would have adopted the belief that no god exists while in the womb.

We know of no cognitive process in the fetus that allows such a deliberative incident.

If you want to contend that fetuses adopt philosophies in the womb, feel free to disagree with me.

So, yes, from what we know is true, nobody is born an atheist.

Now, Sis, explain how you know what babies believe.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232284 Jul 11, 2014
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh how that hated Gutenberg! He made the bible accessible for all to read! Little did the church leaders realize, their flocks would not read the bible!
Oh how they hated the Internet! It made the errors, the inconsistencies, and the horrible stories visible for all to see. Little did they realize, the indoctrinated would dismiss and excuse all those stories and even perpetuate lies given by the pulpit.
The surest cure for religion: reading the book the religion is based on and that pill is just too large for most.
It all makes sense now.

Gay marriage and marijuana being legalized on the same day.

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man lays with another man he should stoned".

< ACME left meter explodes >

We're just interpreting it wrong!

PS I love sarcasm!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#232285 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't feel so bad... you bore me as well and... yes I demand you prove it!
However, there is no getting around the simple truth of it: all babies are atheists.
How could it be otherwise? In fact, all children are atheists until they reach an age where they can truly understand religious doctrine, which will mean well into their teens. Children can mimic their parents in prayer, for example,
by closing their eyes and clasping their hands together, and repeating some
words that they don't understand. Of course even toddler-praying can't
happen until a child reaches the age of speech.
Beyond praying though, there is so much more to consider when parents
proclaim that their little ones are Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Muslim
and so on. To say that someone is "Christian" is to say that the someone
understands:(1) the story of the life of Jesus as told in the Bible; (2)
the concepts of heaven and hell; (3) the concept of "faith" in an invisible
entity; (4) sin; (5) forgiveness; (6) the Triune God and (7) communion.
With all this complicated theology in mind, picture a 5-month-old infant contentedly filling her diaper, and try to convince anyone that she understands all of the above.
If she does not, she is not a Christian.
I don't care how much water you sprinkle on her head, or how many magical words you recite over her as she howls in a church, she doesn't have the foggiest idea about any of it.
Which means she cannot be a Christian.
But whatever religious doctrines are held to be infallible by
any religion, they are so held by adults only. Only adults can begin to
grasp the concepts involved (and often convoluted) in religious belief.
Therefore only adults can be religious. Therefore all babies are atheists.
AKA a variant presentation of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232286 Jul 11, 2014
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I love the way trolls and believers change the meanings of words to suit their bullshit, but this one has been done to death.
Funny how butt crack came up with a turd though!
I didn't change anything.

Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).

Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).

Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).

Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).

Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).

Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).

Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).

According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).

Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).

Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232287 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't feel so bad... you bore me as well and... yes I demand you prove it!
However, there is no getting around the simple truth of it: all babies are atheists.
How could it be otherwise? In fact, all children are atheists until they reach an age where they can truly understand religious doctrine, which will mean well into their teens. Children can mimic their parents in prayer, for example,
by closing their eyes and clasping their hands together, and repeating some
words that they don't understand. Of course even toddler-praying can't
happen until a child reaches the age of speech.
Beyond praying though, there is so much more to consider when parents
proclaim that their little ones are Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Muslim
and so on. To say that someone is "Christian" is to say that the someone
understands:(1) the story of the life of Jesus as told in the Bible; (2)
the concepts of heaven and hell; (3) the concept of "faith" in an invisible
entity; (4) sin; (5) forgiveness; (6) the Triune God and (7) communion.
But whatever religious doctrines are held to be infallible by
any religion, they are so held by adults only. Only adults can begin to
grasp the concepts involved (and often convoluted) in religious belief.
Therefore only adults can be religious. Therefore all babies are atheists.
__________

You are a bald-faced liar.

"Atheism" is not "a-religious". You can be a-religious and also not an atheist. You can be a theist, and have no religion.

You are equating religion with theism. That is erroneous, and renders your entire nonsensical rant..., well, nonsensical.

Nobody is born an atheist. You don't know what the hell you are talking about, and you should just shut your stupid mouth.
__________

Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).

Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).

Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).

Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).

Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).

Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).

Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).

According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).

Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).

Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232288 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
NEVER MIND!
< good advice on your posts>
At least we know how you found Jesus!
We can feel pity for your other experiences whilst incarcerated and tormented by inappropriate attention from some that don't share your Christian sexual views.
My sexual views are not Christian, RubbingApenis.

You are a moron. I don't mean that as an insult. You are, factually, a moron.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232289 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't feel so bad... you bore me as well and... yes I demand you prove it!

Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
My my such unnecessary vitriol, replete with juvenile insults.

You're a real big on winning arguments and keeping a tally of your wins this one belongs in your loss category which I doubt you count.. your narcissistic ego could never permit a loss.

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." ~Thomas Jefferson

You are unworthy of further reply and are dismissed.

And what if we picked the wrong religion? Every week, we're just making God madder and madder!

God: Thou hast forsaken My Church!
Homer:[in fear] Uh, kind-of... b-but...
God: But what!
Homer: I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell?
God:[pause] Hmm... You've got a point there.
~Homer Simpson

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232290 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
My my such unnecessary vitriol, replete with juvenile insults.
You're a real big on winning arguments and keeping a tally of your wins this one belongs in your loss category which I doubt you count.. your narcissistic ego could never permit a loss.
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." ~Thomas Jefferson
You are unworthy of further reply and are dismissed.
And what if we picked the wrong religion? Every week, we're just making God madder and madder!
God: Thou hast forsaken My Church!
Homer:[in fear] Uh, kind-of... b-but...
God: But what!
Homer: I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell?
God:[pause] Hmm... You've got a point there.
~Homer Simpson
I won this one. I win it every time one of you atheist pukes brings it up.

Atheism is not a lack of belief. It is a belief, no less than theism is a belief.

You need to support your stupid assertion that babies are atheists by explaining how it is true that babies have encountered the assertion of a god and rejected it.

I don't believe you can do that. Thus, you are simply a liar.

The attempt to dilute the term to a lack of belief is a cowardly, dishonest attempt to shirk the responsibility of making an argument for a position.

Why are atheists so cowardly and dishonest?

Don't bother. It's a rhetorical question.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232291 Jul 11, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>AKA a variant presentation of the Stockholm Syndrome.
Most religions fall into this category anyway!

Theists do not think this through, or refuse to think lest they disturb their faith.

How can any rituals done over/for/around a baby affect
the baby's understanding of the world around it?

The infant doesn't understand language or geography or personal property or income taxes or.....anything at all, really.

To then present that baby to a priest and after some water sprinkles and some solemn words say that the baby is now Catholic, means that the baby magically understands the difference between a venal sin and a mortal sin.

Can't you see how silly that is?

The baby understands nothing more than was understood before the religious ceremony. And, since the infant in question does not understand, let alone believe, in any kind of God at all, it is an atheist -- a being without religious belief.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232292 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
It's proof you can learn under the power of my brilliance.
...and when you wake up, you will not remember any of this. And you will thank me.

3...2...1...

Buck. Buck, wake up.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You're welcome, maam.
Ah, crap.

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