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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232252 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I had this stupid cat once......
Huh. Just like waaasssuuup?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232253 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You forgot to tell us how you know what babies believe.
And your definitions are in error.
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
Why are we agreeing so much lately?

__________

For those of you who think that atheism is not a belief, could you explain to me what else you "know" is not a belief?

Since: May 10

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#232254 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Again this was to answer your statement that a singularity had "finite" values, it does not.
But this isn't what we were talking about in the first place, which is the cosmological event horizon. Which is the largest comoving distance from which light emitted now can ever reach the observer in the future. No number can span the distance no matter how large it becomes, therefore it is infinitely large, and this is why the infinite flat model universe is called such.
Now it is true this horizon is at a finite distance, but to try and exceed that distance is impossible because no number is large enough to do so. A realizable infinity, which is what you asked for. This IS the infinity of our universe that is real, and exists in the physical reality. So you see a realizable infinity does exist despite your denial.
You are saying a presently non-existent future observer in the presently non-existent future time exists in physical reality.

You are saying a hypothetical calculation means something calculated physically exists.

That is wrong, and that is stupid.

No infinite can exist in physical reality. The one you just described is a theoretical model; it is imagination. You can have all the physical infinities in your imagination you want.

In physical reality, we are a bit more limited.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232256 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Why are we agreeing so much lately?
It's proof you can learn under the power of my brilliance.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232257 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>

It's difficult for me to imagine stupidity on your level. So, thank you for this display.
You're welcome, maam.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#232258 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I had this stupid cat once......
I had a dog who was stupid, never realised she was not a pup anymore and repeatedly bumped her head when she walked under something.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#232259 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to tell us how you know what babies believe.
And your definitions are in error.
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
So did you, you stated this claim, you provide evidence that babies are born with belief in any dietiy

No they are not in error, they just contradict your home school PhD religion philosophy for dummys book lirnin’.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#232260 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are saying a presently non-existent future observer in the presently non-existent future time exists in physical reality.
You are saying a hypothetical calculation means something calculated physically exists.
That is wrong, and that is stupid.
No infinite can exist in physical reality. The one you just described is a theoretical model; it is imagination. You can have all the physical infinities in your imagination you want.
In physical reality, we are a bit more limited.
A observer now or in the future is irrelevant.
It isn't a hypothetical calculation, as calculation means a "mathematical determination".
We are talking about a calculation of this physical reality.
Yes the condition physically exists, and we are seeing light that is nearly 13.7 billion years old now. but will never see light from further than 14.3Gpc. From there on out everything is causally disconnected from us forever and has moved into infinity.
This condition that exist right now, the same as if you try to fly a an aircraft using afterburners on a trip that exceeds it's fuel burn rate per hr past it's physical limit, it will run out of fuel before it reaches it's destination. A calculation of a condition in the physical reality.
This is the infinite universe.

http://io9.com/new-survey-supports-theory-of-...
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#232261 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You're welcome, maam.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>

It's difficult for me to imagine stupidity on your level. So, thank you for this display.

It is low comedy but appreciated for a laugh

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232262 Jul 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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So did you, you stated this claim, you provide evidence that babies are born with belief in any dietiy
I stated no claim.

You stated the claim here. You claim to know what babies believe.

You have yet to back up your mouth.

Then you lied, trying to place the burden elsewhere.

Typical Christinemc^2 - make a claim, it fails, then lie about it.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#232263 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh. Just like waaasssuuup?
Well, he might have been a little smarter than waaasssuuup.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#232264 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
It's proof you can learn under the power of my brilliance.
Buck, dreariest buck.

Will you stop pretending to be a sociopath, have you not realised yet that the only persona taking in by your dunning kruger personality problem is you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232265 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
A observer now or in the future is irrelevant.
It isn't a hypothetical calculation, as calculation means a "mathematical determination".
We are talking about a calculation of this physical reality.
Yes the condition physically exists, and we are seeing light that is nearly 13.7 billion years old now. but will never see light from further than 14.3Gpc. From there on out everything is causally disconnected from us forever and has moved into infinity.
This condition that exist right now, the same as if you try to fly a an aircraft using afterburners on a trip that exceeds it's fuel burn rate per hr past it's physical limit, it will run out of fuel before it reaches it's destination. A calculation of a condition in the physical reality.
This is the infinite universe.
http://io9.com/new-survey-supports-theory-of-...
You are a moron.

It is a hypothetical and theoretical calculation.

Theoretical math can have infinite values. Nothing physical can.

Exceeding what you can observe is not the same as infinite.

Proof:

1. If the distance you refer to is infinity, half that distance is also infinity.

2. Therefore, the distance is equal to half the distance, but also greater than half the distance.

3. In a physical universe, "equal to" and "greater than" is a contradiction.

4. Therefore, your infinite universe cannot be a physical universe.

I'll ask again - please provide an example of a physical infinite.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232266 Jul 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Buck, dreariest buck.
Will you stop pretending to be a sociopath, have you not realised yet that the only persona taking in by your dunning kruger personality problem is you?
I'm not a sociopath?

Obviously, you have not spoken to my parole officer. Or my ex-wife. Or the two cops who tried to arrest me in Columbus, Georgia. Or,...never mind.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#232267 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I stated no claim.
You stated the claim here. You claim to know what babies believe.
You have yet to back up your mouth.
Then you lied, trying to place the burden elsewhere.
Typical Christinemc^2 - make a claim, it fails, then lie about it.
I stated no such claim

Your claim was
Nobody is born an atheist.

By such a definition, a turd is an atheist.

An atheist is a person who holds the belief that gods do not exist.

Don't make me prove it. It bores me.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Therefore you indicated that you know babies are born theist

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232268 Jul 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>

I had a dog who was stupid, never realised she was not a pup anymore and repeatedly bumped her head when she walked under something.
You are just remembering your childhood.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#232269 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a moron.
It is a hypothetical and theoretical calculation.
Theoretical math can have infinite values. Nothing physical can.
Exceeding what you can observe is not the same as infinite.
Proof:
1. If the distance you refer to is infinity, half that distance is also infinity.
2. Therefore, the distance is equal to half the distance, but also greater than half the distance.
3. In a physical universe, "equal to" and "greater than" is a contradiction.
4. Therefore, your infinite universe cannot be a physical universe.
I'll ask again - please provide an example of a physical infinite.
You are the moron, sure you can measure a part of infinity, that is finite amounts.
But no series of measurements can measure it's entirety.
To measure an infinite distance a series of measurements can be made, but you can never reach the end by taking the last measurement. In other words you can measure till you tire of measuring and never finish. So yes you can't measure half an infinity moron.

Since: May 10

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#232270 Jul 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I stated no such claim
Your claim was
Nobody is born an atheist.
By such a definition, a turd is an atheist.
An atheist is a person who holds the belief that gods do not exist.
Don't make me prove it. It bores me.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Therefore you indicated that you know babies are born theist
Not being an atheist doesn't mean one is a theist.

You claimed to know babies have no belief in deities.

Back it up.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232271 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You are the moron, sure you can measure a part of infinity, that is finite amounts.
But no series of measurements can measure it's entirety.
To measure an infinite distance a series of measurements can be made, but you can never reach the end by taking the last measurement. In other words you can measure till you tire of measuring and never finish. So yes you can't measure half an infinity moron.
If you can measure its parts, it cannot be infinite.

It doesn't matter whether you can measure all its parts. By measuring one part, infinite parts is invalidated, because infinity cannot be reached by any sequence of addition, regardless of whether you can measure the sequence or if you cannot.

By beginning to measure physical parts, we know the additional sequence of parts cannot be infinite. A universe is made of physical parts. Therefore, the universe cannot be physically infinite. It doesn't matter whether you can measure the physical parts, or whether you cannot.

There is no way to measure the number of bacterial cells on the planet Earth. We could make calculations, but we cannot measure them physically. Still, regardless of the calculating difficulty or result, we know the number of bacteria is finite because it is a physical sequence of addition.

This is because adding a part to a finite value results in another finite value. Then another finite value, then another finite value,...

And always will.

Aunt Martha: "... sure you can measure a part of infinity, that is finite amounts."

What is the finite amount that immediately precedes infinity?

Take that amount, add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite

OK, go to the next larger amount. Add one. Is the result finite or infinite? Answer: Finite
__________

Please explain how this repetition gets you beyond a finite value.




“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#232272 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are just remembering your childhood.
A lovely thought, yup I was a child, and you know the dog was not called anything like buck

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