Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#223370 Apr 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It matters. If she was on the train tracks because she wanted to end her life, and her man saved her and sacrificed himself instead, that was selfishness, not unconditional love.
Why was she on the tracks?
Giving up your life to save another is an act of selfishness?

<rolls eyes>

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#223371 Apr 6, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Horseshit Redneck.
You said that a sperm cell is NOT life.
Up ^there^ you claim that you did not.
Explain why the first scenario, the boyfriend/girlfriend scenario, is not a case of unconditional love.
RR can't keep track of his stories. He is a pathological liar.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#223372 Apr 6, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:

Horseshit Redneck.
You said that a sperm cell is NOT life.
Up ^there^ you claim that you did not.
Explain why the first scenario, the boyfriend/girlfriend scenario, is not a case of unconditional love.
No. That's not what I said.

A sperm cell is living, but it is not "a life", no more than a skin cell us "a life".

The boyfriend that saved his suicidal girlfriend's life by pushing her off the train tracks and was killed by the train in her stead is an example of an act of selfishness. Now the girlfriend has to live with not only her suicidal thoughts, but the fact that the man she loved is dead. The man did not think of her, he thought of himself. Self-sacrifice is not unconditional love.

Humans cannot posses a love without a condition.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#223373 Apr 6, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Since when is being "self conscious" a requirement to be human?
Is an adult comatose human "alive"? Is it a human life?
Does a human patient mysteriously become non-human the instant an induced coma is introduced?
Your claim of what constitutes a human life is ridiculous.
From as legal standing the fetus is never a person, it's rights are centered around the mother.
But scientifically it becomes developed enough to be conscious or an individual entity.
Here's the proof..



"Is an adult comatose human "alive"? Is it a human life?"
"Does a human patient mysteriously become non-human the instant an induced coma is introduced?"

A comatose person is still alive and still an entity but is an unconscious entity, and there is the possibility that person will regain consciousness and of course they are still alive rather than being dead. Comatose is much like sleeping , and there is a scale of coma to describe the level of consciousness.

http://www.trauma.org/archive/scores/gcs.html

As opposed to a very low score or vegetate state that requires the person to be connected to machines to stay alive, after a year is considered at that point the person is in a persistent vegetative state and consciousness may no longer be retrievable.
Which basically at this point a doctor may qualify the person is no longer an entity but should be allowed to die.

But here we are talking about an entity and taking away that status rather than giving it it that value due to development. Do you consider a person on life support for a year with severe brain injury and shows no sign of consciousness to still be a conscious being? Now as long as there is some sign of consciousness there maybe hope but at some point we let that hope go and just allow a person to die , rather than waste away in a dismal non existent state of consciousness. However this is much harder to define than when a entity has gained consciousness.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#223374 Apr 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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.... There's always a condition to love.
I feel so sorry for you. Your life must be a living Hell.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#223375 Apr 6, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
uuuuuuuummmmm
Not entirely true.
The latest is to promote fertilized eggs, as they contain nutrients which the unfertilized egg does not contain.
Is a fertilized chicken egg ... life?
The latest? The latest what?

Yes, a fertilized chicken egg is life, just as a human female's fertilized egg is life.

Most eggs you buy at the store are not from free roam ranches, where hens and roosters live together. Most are from egg farmers that keep hens separate from the roosters, so their eggs are never fertilized.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#223376 Apr 6, 2014
Anon wrote:
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You can't overrule reality with idealism. Not everything has a Hollywood ending...
Your offering was pure conjecture, not reality.
You assume how another would feel based upon your own personality and selfishness.
It is equally as likely that the one "saved" would embrace the love that the "sacrificed" one showed, and have no guilt about it all.

I wager that you think a woman who has aborted her own child would not feel remorse and guilt after the fact either. Right.

Like I said, you offer mere conjecture.

“Ditat Deus”

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#223377 Apr 6, 2014
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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The key word is BELIEVE.
You believe that "a life" begins at conception.
others believe that while a fertilized egg is alive, it isn't yet a sentient human life form.
Both sides have their arguments, their talking points and valid points. Since when does a fertilized egg, zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus become a human life is subjective and dependent on one's religion and or opinion shouldn't Americans be free to act based on their belief?
why should one's religion dictate what others can do?
Once a baby is born, there is no disputing that fact, the baby is free of its mother and an independent being.
Ya. What's your point?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#223378 Apr 6, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
I feel so sorry for you. Your life must be a living Hell.
"When someone makes a good point, I'll just personally attack them." -BenAssFucked.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#223379 Apr 6, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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How can RR claim that abortion is murder when he also claims that "if it is legal it isn't murder" ?
RR, like most of these lying Christ-Stains, can't keep his story straight.
Interesting paradox , in reasoning but then again he thinks atheists all support abortion.
When the truth is most who support abortion are only supporting the mothers rights to her own body. Whether it's murder or not can be defined legally, where a persons rights end over thier own body is no business of the courts unless it is going to harm her or another entity.
At which I support before the 12 weeks it takes for a fetus to become an entity, after that or even close to 12 weeks or even after 11 weeks it would be on her conscience to abort because it's too late to abort.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#223380 Apr 6, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your are demonstrating micro evolution and everybody agrees on that. No different in principal then Jacob controlled breeding of Laban's sheep and goats in Gen. 30.
Erm, even Answers in Genesis recommends against using the "Micro/Macro" argument...

2. Microevolution is true but not macroevolution.(People usually mean that we see changes within a kind but not between kinds...)- Answers in Genesis , http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/t...

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#223381 Apr 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nah. All the parts are there, they're just growing, multiplying.
An unfertilized chicken egg, like the ones you buy at the store, are not life. They usually come from farms that only have hens, the eggs don't contain a fetus of any kind.
Actually some of them are fertilized but refrigerating a fertile egg stops it's development.
Farmers who raise them candle and keep fertilized eggs to make more chickens.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#223382 Apr 6, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Interesting paradox , in reasoning but then again he thinks atheists all support abortion.
When the truth is most who support abortion are only supporting the mothers rights to her own body. Whether it's murder or not can be defined legally, where a persons rights end over thier own body is no business of the courts unless it is going to harm her or another entity.
At which I support before the 12 weeks it takes for a fetus to become an entity, after that or even close to 12 weeks or even after 11 weeks it would be on her conscience to abort because it's too late to abort.
The key word you used is 'conscience'.
IMHO most of the Christian here do not have one. It is a symptom of their sociopathy.
They are out to "win an argument" and nothing more. They don't give a crap about the unborn or anyone else except themselves.
strangepeople

London, UK

#223383 Apr 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That's not what I said.
A sperm cell is living, but it is not "a life", no more than a skin cell us "a life".
The boyfriend that saved his suicidal girlfriend's life by pushing her off the train tracks and was killed by the train in her stead is an example of an act of selfishness. Now the girlfriend has to live with not only her suicidal thoughts, but the fact that the man she loved is dead. The man did not think of her, he thought of himself. Self-sacrifice is not unconditional love.
Humans cannot posses a love without a condition.
All religious liars should admit that they know nothing at all about the universe or god and should and stop telling others how to live their lives.

If they disagree, they should be dragged to court and forced to the prove the crap they lie about.
strangepeople

London, UK

#223384 Apr 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"When someone makes a good point, I'll just personally attack them." -BenAssFucked.
Weak, religious liars always have to use quotes to argue back, because they can't think for themselves, outsides of their religious lies.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#223385 Apr 6, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Your offering was pure conjecture, not reality.
You assume how another would feel based upon your own personality and selfishness.
It is equally as likely that the one "saved" would embrace the love that the "sacrificed" one showed, and have no guilt about it all.
I wager that you think a woman who has aborted her own child would not feel remorse and guilt after the fact either. Right.
Like I said, you offer mere conjecture.
Is not what you're offering pure conjecture? The one "saved" as you put it, just witnessed another human being being crunched and possibly dismembered by a speeding train, an act that he/she indirectly brought about. Do you actually think this wouldn't cause severe mental and emotional trauma? How could it not? That person was obviously in the grip of deep depression to attempt suicide to begin with, now they have this extra baggage to live with. Your Disney view of reality is completely absurd...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#223386 Apr 6, 2014
strangepeople wrote:
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All religious liars should admit that they know nothing at all about the universe or god and should and stop telling others how to live their lives.
If they disagree, they should be dragged to court and forced to the prove the crap they lie about.
Organized Religion is nothing more than Government sanctioned organized crime. It is the oldest con game in human history.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#223387 Apr 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The latest? The latest what?
Yes, a fertilized chicken egg is life, just as a human female's fertilized egg is life.
Most eggs you buy at the store are not from free roam ranches, where hens and roosters live together. Most are from egg farmers that keep hens separate from the roosters, so their eggs are never fertilized.
"Yes, a fertilized chicken egg is life."
Nope, not necessarily. The blastoderm remains dormant unless incubation is begun. You place a fertilized egg in the fridge, it will not come out of dormancy. It will forever be "fertilized", but it will NOT begin developing. You leave a fertile egg laying in the nest, it will not begin developing. A fertile egg needs nurtured and incubated in order for me to call it "life". Till then, it is just potential for a life, there is something still missing to be called a "life".
If you incubate the fertile egg, a heart beat can be detected in a matter of a few hours. So for the chicken and egg, there is no such thing as "life at conception". It is life at incubation. A hen chicken can lay fertile eggs as much as two weeks after "conception" too.
Your argument for outlawing human abortion would be better served if you avoided the bird egg line.

" Most are from egg farmers that keep hens separate from the roosters"
Yes, but you did NOT say "some" then ... you said all.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#223388 Apr 6, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Is not what you're offering pure conjecture? The one "saved" as you put it, just witnessed another human being being crunched and possibly dismembered by a speeding train, an act that he/she indirectly brought about. Do you actually think this wouldn't cause severe mental and emotional trauma? How could it not? That person was obviously in the grip of deep depression to attempt suicide to begin with, now they have this extra baggage to live with. Your Disney view of reality is completely absurd...
"Is not what you're offering pure conjecture?"
Gee Einstein, do you suppose that is why I wrote this > "It is equally as likely..." ?

"That person was obviously in the grip of deep depression to attempt suicide to begin with,"
NOPE. Facts not in evidence. CONJECTURE !!!

"Your Disney view of reality is completely absurd"
Your lack of ability to follow a simple thought line is laughable.

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#223389 Apr 6, 2014
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
The key word is BELIEVE.
You believe that "a life" begins at conception.
others believe that while a fertilized egg is alive, it isn't yet a sentient human life form.
Both sides have their arguments, their talking points and valid points. Since when does a fertilized egg, zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus become a human life is subjective and dependent on one's religion and or opinion shouldn't Americans be free to act based on their belief?
why should one's religion dictate what others can do?
Once a baby is born, there is no disputing that fact, the baby is free of its mother and an independent being.
No, the baby is not free from its mother and an independent being.

Drawing such lines as to when a human life is worthy of protection is fraught with contradictions.

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