Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#221549 Mar 26, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Have you watched Deadwood? You don't have to like westerns to appreciate it. It's an older series, but to this day I've found nothing that tops it. Produced by HBO.
I was so disappointed they ended that as early as they did. I couldn't understand it. Then I heard it was coming back, then I heard they were doing a movie...then just nothing

It's hard to rank then as loved so many in diff ways from True Detective to Rome to Sopranos to Boardwalk Empire to The Wire to Deadwood. But me and my brother absolutely loved it.

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#221550 Mar 26, 2014
Edit Anon

First 3 seasons of Sopranos anyway. Kind of a drop off IMO after as they added annoying story lines to make it more appealing to every demo or the entire family.

But yeah, Deadwood was awesome

“Credulity is not a virtue”

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#221551 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
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There should be no agenda from either side other than discovering the truth. But if either side has their mind made up that "whatever the answer is it isn't that...even though it could be" then how effective really is their search for answers?
Science doesn't have any unified agenda. It's composed of individual scientists who all compete with each other, and who have an interest in proving stuff both right and wrong. If something is discovered to be either true or false, that fact is soon disseminated to all. This is why, for example, it's laughable to hear people question climate change. Yeah, there is alot about our climate that we don't understand, but it's just not credible to believe that so many scientists around the world across various fields of study are all in collusion to propagate a lie. With science, you can't keep knowledge a secret for long, including the knowledge that something we take for granted as true is in fact wrong.

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#221552 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
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There should be no agenda from either side other than discovering the truth. But if either side has their mind made up that "whatever the answer is it isn't that...even though it could be" then how effective really is their search for answers?
Just as the church had an agenda against science to keep followers and the money flowing into the coffers when the answer to everything was "God", there are many in science whose goal is to discover something that disproves any supernatural explanation. It isn't objective.
There is no reason for man to be drawing lines in the sand. We should be seeking out as many answers together. Who cares what each individual thinks the answer may be when nobody knows? If truth is really the goal, we should be working together. But often times politics and social reasons and even personal selfish reasons take precedence. How many people are TRULY searching for the truth wherever it may lead? I bet not many
Science is objective, by definition, as I've described previously. Religion on the other hand is not. It emphasizes faith. If it had any proof, you better believe it would drop faith like a bad habit. Religion and faith will never lead to truth. How can it? Religion pretends to have all the answers already. It's a closed system.
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#221553 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I totally agree. I think the reason why we have so many "reality shows" is because a lot of writers have just run out of ideas. That's probably also why we're getting a whole lot of old movies being remade, but a lot of the times I think the original is way better than the remake. Total Recall is one of them.
Instead of spending 24-7 on Topix, why not write something yourself then?
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#221554 Mar 26, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?
Further evidence that Christianity is harmful to the mind.
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#221555 Mar 26, 2014
All atheists are full of shit and should be slapped across the face at every opportunity.

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#221556 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I don't mean as far as day to day living so much as the person as a whole. If I have to spend my afterlife with an unrepentant child rapist that paid no price for his crimes then I'm not gonna be too thrilled about the afterlife. I think right and wrong are concepts that should transcend this existence and justice says there should be a cost that comes with doing harm to others. I don't know what that price should be but there should be something.
That is what you would like to be true. I would like for there to be some kind of cosmic justice system too. But probably there isn't. Life isn't fair, however much we would prefer it to be. And life ends, however much we would rather not die. Personally, I would rather face those facts honestly than delude myself to make myself feel better. In fact, if this is the only life there is for us, then how immoral is it to waste it with an ideology that is false? An ideology that tells us that this life is unimportant, and promises to essentially pay us Tuesday for a hamburger today.

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#221557 Mar 26, 2014
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Yeah, but how many people think something may be true is irrelevant to whether it is actually true. Maybe as humans we are all just inherently a little irrational and tend to see monsters in the dark where there aren't any. It's entirely possible that how this universe began is beyond our ability, even collectively, to grasp. I'm not saying we should not try our damnest to figure it out, I'm saying we as humans tend to come at things with a human POV, and that alone might hinder us. I mean, isn't it rather laughable and infantile to think that the universe revolves around us as a species?
Well its hard when you combine mans hubris to the fact that we don't know of any other life forms.

But it would be a lot more arrogant if we knew and still thought that

But I think its not so much revolves around man but life in general

What else in the universe would be more important than life? Especially if a higher power took the time to make it and as far as we know, no other?

It's one of the rare times where I think its less hubris and more process of elimination. Not that by definition mankind or life on Earth must be so important (if there is life elsewhere). But if there isn't other than what created us, what else would logically be on top as far as importance

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#221558 Mar 26, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Dummy, boots are footwear and a specifically a type of shoe.
OOOH lala!

Are we gonna get into a pedantry argument over that too?!?

Cuz I know that boots are footwear, shoes are footwear but boots aren't shoes.

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#221559 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Psychology: "the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, esp. those affecting behavior in a given context."
And yes, that does include a study of the emotions. And no, I'm not going to ride around the semantic merry-go-round with you on this. If you have a larger point to make, then make it.
Emotions are currently beyond the realm of science.

Happy?

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#221560 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Definitely. Reality TV was like the Hollywood wet dream. Low overhead, no high paid actors or writers. Just mindless garbage geared towards the lowest common denominator of the human psyche.
I am by far not a movie snob. If its "On The Waterfront, Rocky, Star Wars, Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Seven, Misery, Gone Baby Gone, The Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, etc" I don't care the genre or subject matter. I just like movies that stick with you for one reason or another and obviously that are well done.
My favorites have been a lot of HBO series.
The crap that gets churned out that creates the Justin Beibers and the realty television shows is just sad. And who knows how much amazing talent or writing the world will never know about because they didn't know the right people, didn't screw the right people, or weren't 'marketable'. It's sad and annoying to think about
Poor Justin Beiber.... I wish everyone would just leave her alone.

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#221561 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I completely disagree
Having a different standard of proof or methodology does not mean the two must be natural enemies
For example. The RCC changed how it looked at Genesis and decided it was metaphorical because science showed it couldn't be literal. At least that was the conclusion of some who incorporate both into their thinking. They will actually allow one to help them better understand the other. That isn't a natural enemy
Not to mention, both can co-exist easily if truth is the only pursuit. Some simply believe science limits itself by refusing to allow for the possibility answers may be found in spots they refuse to acknowledge might exist. Or some won't acknowledge it anyway. Someone searching for the truth should exhaust every possibility and leave it in the table so long as it can't be ruled out
But there is no standard of truth for faith. That is exactly it's problem.

Science does not presume anything is false. It's religion that starts with assumptions as to what is right or wrong. Science questions everything, and assumes nothing. If something has an empirical effect, then it can be empirically studied. If it does not have an empirical effect, then it's meaningless to us anyway.
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#221562 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I was so disappointed they ended that as early as they did. I couldn't understand it. Then I heard it was coming back, then I heard they were doing a movie...then just nothing
It's hard to rank then as loved so many in diff ways from True Detective to Rome to Sopranos to Boardwalk Empire to The Wire to Deadwood. But me and my brother absolutely loved it.
Each season was a 12, 1 hour episode of a period piece, effectively making it the equivalent of filming six movies in the space of a year. The logistics and costs, not to mention the artistic investment, are staggering for such an endeavor.

Al was probably the most loveable, malevolent character ever conceived.

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#221563 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Science is objective, by definition, as I've described previously. Religion on the other hand is not. It emphasizes faith. If it had any proof, you better believe it would drop faith like a bad habit. Religion and faith will never lead to truth. How can it? Religion pretends to have all the answers already. It's a closed system.
Like I already said, it could be it has a lot of general things right. Perhaps sine day we even find out it was leaps and bounds ahead if science as far as general knowledge if we someday discover proof of creator gods. It just may have some specifics wrong. You obviously aren't suggesting it has to be 100% right about everything to discover truth right? Even if it may need science some day to prove what it knew to be true

And if it was a closed system the RCC would not have changed how it looked at Genesis

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#221565 Mar 26, 2014
Phantom2010 wrote:
<quoted text> And what is your explanation as to why your spontaneous beliefs are irrational and magical?
Atheists do not have "spontaneous beliefs".

In fact?

Nobody does.... all religious beliefs are passed down by religious indoctrination.

None are spontaneous-- all the so-called "new" ones? Are simply copies of existing religious ideas.

None of it is new.

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#221566 Mar 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you attempting to compare me to Stalin?

I did not study for the priesthood

I did not open 25000 churches

I did not re-instate the church institutions

But Stalin did.
The christinsanes love to conveniently leave out the connections between their murderous religion and killers.

It's what they do. Plus, ar ar is "touched" and whatnot.

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#221567 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Well its hard when you combine mans hubris to the fact that we don't know of any other life forms.
But it would be a lot more arrogant if we knew and still thought that
But I think its not so much revolves around man but life in general
Well, the Bible is certainly dismissive of non-human life forms. There is no heaven for them. Mostly they are good for enslaving, eating, and using as burnt offerings. So no, I don't see the Bible as celebrating life in general. Other religions do a much better job of honoring all life foirms, but every religion I know of is very, very human-centric.

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#221568 Mar 26, 2014
Someone needs tissues again, how hard it must be to be perfect and endure so much persecution.

Cry baby chook.
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#221569 Mar 26, 2014
input wrote:
All atheists are full of shit and should be slapped across the face at every opportunity.
Christian love, destroying minds since 325 CE.

It is quite charming to witness Christians who are so unlike the mythical Christ. It is further proof of the immorality of the dogma and the fact that. Christianity is nothing more than worship of self.

“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God”

“You have heard that it had been said: You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy. But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”

We have only nor thing in common! and it is not humanity; we both think the Bible is bullhockey. Good job!

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