Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#221517 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

I know that psychology is the scientific study of the human mind and it's functions, it isn't just about emotions.
And I don't need wiki to verify that.
wilderide wrote:
The point being, emotions can be studied.
No, the point is that psychology is not the study of emotions, as you originally claimed (that's why I deleted the rest of your red herring from this response).

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#221518 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Shoes are for yuppies and city boys, I wear boots.
Dummy, boots are footwear and a specifically a type of shoe.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#221519 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I totally agree. I think the reason why we have so many "reality shows" is because a lot of writers have just run out of ideas. That's probably also why we're getting a whole lot of old movies being remade, but a lot of the times I think the original is way better than the remake. Total Recall is one of them.
Reality shows are cheap to make and the profits are high if they're successful. The only losers are the viewers who are being indoctrinated into thinking abject stupidity is entertainment.
Hey, who's up for Honey Boo Boo?
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#221520 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Oh I'd totally cuddle Rosemary I'm sure. That's something entirely different.
;)
Are you aware that HL announced she was leaving Topix? Post #221432.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#221521 Mar 26, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>you may not understand it at this juncture, but this is a compliment from someone who promotes homosexuality and who encourages his young daughter to do so as well - thanks!
You're stupid too.

She's promoting tolerance, not homosexuality.

I wouldn't expect a Christian to understand that.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#221522 Mar 26, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No.
NEXT!
My good friend Bob.[tipping hat]
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#221523 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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When I was a little kid I was afraid of the dark, and thought there were monsters under the bed or hiding in the closet. I had no proof that there were of course, because there weren't any. But I earnestly believed there were. I was projecting my fear of the unknown. Ghosts and spirits are the same thing. People make up stories about things and they sometimes develop into larger myths and legends. It's just magical thinking, part of our psychological make-up. My guess would be that humans developed a propensity for magical thinking as a survival technique. A slightly paranoid person who thinks there might be predators lurking in the dark will take extra precautions to protect themselves, and will survive longer than someone with a more careless attitude. Now of course that propensity has outgrown it's usefulness.
I was also afraid of the dark as a little kid. Terribly afraid and I understand now how kids can be so terrified of the dark. Even in my early teens I could get spooked.

But when I grew up all that fear left me. But I know you won’t believe it but my fathers house was haunted. I stayed there as an adult many days taking care of him when he was dying of cancer. Dad was a dedicated Atheist right up till about six months before he died.

In his house you could hear car doors slam outside and we knew all the cars were locked and windows rolled up. Lights would come on and off by themselves. The actual switch would change positions. Chains would rattle outside at night. The toilet seat would slam hard even though it was down. He lived in the country and there were no neighbors anywhere close by.

Even clothes would get tossed around by themselves. Weird and just freaking crazy. But I never was afraid of these nuisance demons. They were just annoying.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#221524 Mar 26, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I was also afraid of the dark as a little kid. Terribly afraid and I understand now how kids can be so terrified of the dark. Even in my early teens I could get spooked.
But when I grew up all that fear left me. But I know you won’t believe it but my fathers house was haunted. I stayed there as an adult many days taking care of him when he was dying of cancer. Dad was a dedicated Atheist right up till about six months before he died.
In his house you could hear car doors slam outside and we knew all the cars were locked and windows rolled up. Lights would come on and off by themselves. The actual switch would change positions. Chains would rattle outside at night. The toilet seat would slam hard even though it was down. He lived in the country and there were no neighbors anywhere close by.
Even clothes would get tossed around by themselves. Weird and just freaking crazy. But I never was afraid of these nuisance demons. They were just annoying.
Well, I am obviously skeptical that what you experienced were ghosts, but I was not there and can't analyze what you saw/experienced. I myself had things happen in my life that seemed to be supernatural that I can't explain. However, I am confident that everything has a rational explanation which is not supernatural, even if we might never know what that rational explanation is.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#221525 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, the point is that psychology is not the study of emotions, as you originally claimed (that's why I deleted the rest of your red herring from this response).
Psychology: "the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, esp. those affecting behavior in a given context."

And yes, that does include a study of the emotions. And no, I'm not going to ride around the semantic merry-go-round with you on this. If you have a larger point to make, then make it.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

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#221526 Mar 26, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Reality shows are cheap to make and the profits are high if they're successful. The only losers are the viewers who are being indoctrinated into thinking abject stupidity is entertainment.
Hey, who's up for Honey Boo Boo?
I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. And I have actually seen her and her family in person, followed around by a camera crew.

Since: Mar 09

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#221527 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I totally agree. I think the reason why we have so many "reality shows" is because a lot of writers have just run out of ideas. That's probably also why we're getting a whole lot of old movies being remade, but a lot of the times I think the original is way better than the remake. Total Recall is one of them.
Definitely. Reality TV was like the Hollywood wet dream. Low overhead, no high paid actors or writers. Just mindless garbage geared towards the lowest common denominator of the human psyche.

I am by far not a movie snob. If its "On The Waterfront, Rocky, Star Wars, Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Seven, Misery, Gone Baby Gone, The Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, etc" I don't care the genre or subject matter. I just like movies that stick with you for one reason or another and obviously that are well done.

My favorites have been a lot of HBO series.

The crap that gets churned out that creates the Justin Beibers and the realty television shows is just sad. And who knows how much amazing talent or writing the world will never know about because they didn't know the right people, didn't screw the right people, or weren't 'marketable'. It's sad and annoying to think about

Since: Mar 09

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#221528 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Well, I am obviously skeptical that what you experienced were ghosts, but I was not there and can't analyze what you saw/experienced. I myself had things happen in my life that seemed to be supernatural that I can't explain. However, I am confident that everything has a rational explanation which is not supernatural, even if we might never know what that rational explanation is.
Maybe if we had all the information we would consider it both

There could be other life forms, different planes if existence, senses we are only beginning to understand like intuition or a "sixth sense" that opens us up to perceptions we might not otherwise be aware of.

We don't even question things like dogs being able to sense fear or animals knowing when danger is around despite no signs or getting bad 'vibes' off people.

There may be so much stuff we don't know. We might be just babies in terms of life forms and knowledge. Maybe even the existence of God someday may be taken for granted as common fact because of what we learn. Maybe we will learn a lot if through science instead of science disproving it?

The rationale explanation may simply be we don't know a lot about what goes on around us and one day the supernatural will just be one more thing we learned about it?

It's possible

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#221529 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe if we had all the information we would consider it both
There could be other life forms, different planes if existence, senses we are only beginning to understand like intuition or a "sixth sense" that opens us up to perceptions we might not otherwise be aware of.
We don't even question things like dogs being able to sense fear or animals knowing when danger is around despite no signs or getting bad 'vibes' off people.
There may be so much stuff we don't know. We might be just babies in terms of life forms and knowledge. Maybe even the existence of God someday may be taken for granted as common fact because of what we learn. Maybe we will learn a lot if through science instead of science disproving it?
The rationale explanation may simply be we don't know a lot about what goes on around us and one day the supernatural will just be one more thing we learned about it?
It's possible
I complete agree with you. An important component of being a skeptic is to acknowledge that we don't know everything. Perhaps some day we might discover that the universe (or rather, this universe) was created by some entity, or that things we'd call deities exist somewhere out there in the universe. Who knows? But that is all the more reason to support science, because if any of those things are reality, then it will be science that will discover and prove it.

However, I think it's unlikely to the point of near certainty that if the universe was created, it was not created by the Abrahamic God, just as it's equally unlikely to be Quetzalcoatl, Brahman, Zeus, or Osiris.

Since: Mar 09

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#221530 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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I complete agree with you. An important component of being a skeptic is to acknowledge that we don't know everything. Perhaps some day we might discover that the universe (or rather, this universe) was created by some entity, or that things we'd call deities exist somewhere out there in the universe. Who knows? But that is all the more reason to support science, because if any of those things are reality, then it will be science that will discover and prove it.
However, I think it's unlikely to the point of near certainty that if the universe was created, it was not created by the Abrahamic God, just as it's equally unlikely to be Quetzalcoatl, Brahman, Zeus, or Osiris.
Well with all the religions out there and almost all claiming sole ownership of the creator, everyone but one would have to be wrong anyway. Personally I'd be just as happy to be wrong if it turned out what the deal was is that religions all tapped into an idea but got the specifics wrong and everyone has the opportunity to move on to an after-life. Although I'd hope advanced entities such as God would still have some sort of justice system in place. And why create beings that would need one if they didn't approve of the concept themselves?

To me, it has never been about "Im going to Heaven and you are not". It has been a pursuit of the truth on a supernatural level

I have never seen science and faith as natural enemies. A lot of that was manufactured by man trying to have control, power, influence, and money. I'd love to see the idea of science genuinely exploring both with the intention of discovery and not predisposed to disproving as that can create a blind spot and bias. And I'd live to see faith not impede that search. If the truth is what we believe as people of faith, then I would have no reason to fear knowledge or discovery. I personally don't

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#221531 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>Psychology: "the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, esp. those affecting behavior in a given context."

And yes, that does include a study of the emotions. And no, I'm not going to ride around the semantic merry-go-round with you on this. If you have a larger point to make, then make it.
They're boots, dammit!

Not shoes!!!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#221532 Mar 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Why are you attempting to compare me to Stalin?
I did not study for the priesthood
I did not open 25000 churches
I did not re-instate the church institutions
But Stalin did.
Why does a butch lesbian dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#221533 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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However, I think it's unlikely to the point of near certainty that if the universe was created, it was not created by the Abrahamic God, just as it's equally unlikely to be Quetzalcoatl, Brahman, Zeus, or Osiris.
Seriously, you equate those?

Ah, there goes the 'rational atheist' oxymoron comparison.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#221534 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Well with all the religions out there and almost all claiming sole ownership of the creator, everyone but one would have to be wrong anyway.
It's far more likely that they are all wrong.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#221535 Mar 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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So says creation com and other apologist sites, no evidence of course but since when has evidence had anything to do with religious lies are anything that buck want to believe?
So lets take your god, the book of god says he murdered the entire living population of the entire world minus about 18 million animals and a small handful of close human buddies.
99.9999999999999999999% of the population of the world, that my dear is going to take some beating even by the most determined despot.
It is estimated that 809 million people have died in religious wars throughout the ages. The conflicts include crusades, inter religious conflict, religious sects conflicts etc.
That too is going to take some beating, true, not all christian atrocities but hey, when your child has just been murdered in the name of god who’s taking a poll?
We 'murder' billions of other animals every year, and we don't claim Maker's rights.

It's okay to kill every other life form but humans?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#221536 Mar 26, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> Although I'd hope advanced entities such as God would still have some sort of justice system in place. And why create beings that would need one if they didn't approve of the concept themselves?
It seems highly unlikely to me that if this universe has a creator (or creators) that it/they would be in any way concerned with humans specifically, much less care about what humans do or who they sleep with.

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