Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#220432 Mar 20, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Are you deliberately this stupid or does it come naturally?
Despite the truncated and cherry picked propaganda that you out forward he rebuilt the church infrastructure and opened 25000 churches, that he was on the committee to elect a new head of the church that under his rule monasteries and seminaries etc were re-opened.
He had several religious books in his library
In his later years he told his daughter
I have already provided evidence of these, I am to busy to go looking again, teach yourself.
Well, there you go! Proof Stalin was a Christian, not an atheist - He had religious books in his library....

This outweighs the evidence of him spending his adult life trying to eradicate religion, and create an atheist state.

And saying "There is no god".

Everyone knows if you have books on a subject, it makes you that subject.

Like I have books about science fiction - that makes me an astronaut.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha...

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#220433 Mar 20, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Why is this an issue worth so much energy? Is this being offered as evidence that science is unreliable 9in general, or that Darwin's theory of evolution is not valid?
If the illustrations are faulty or misleading, they should be replaced with better ones. Is anybody resisting this idea?
They resisted when they included it, as they already knew it was discredited.

The importance is as another building block of proof of the Darwinists' propaganda tendencies.

They never seem quite content with what the science says.

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#220434 Mar 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
OK. But I thought you meant what you said, which is this: "Understanding how the world could evolve to the state we find it today and operate without supervision or intervention was the hard part, which is why it came millennia later,"
The existence of the universe and how the world evolved to "the state we find it today" is not understood. Parts are.
Yes, there is still more to learn, but little of it seems relevant to theological matters, and the fact that some things remain unknown lends very little support to god claims. It seems that we no longer need a god to have constructed our universe or to operate it, which is what is implied by "the god of the gaps."

If you recall, this discussion began:

tricki: "atheism is the product of the minds of FOOLS it is impossible for anyone to gaze out upon the universe and not understand that something, somewhere was responsible for it; Unless you are a FOOL "

IANS: "Actually, jumping to the god conclusion is the easier choice. Ancient and primitive people did it readily. Understanding how the world could evolve to the state we find it today and operate without supervision or intervention was the hard part, which is why it came millennia later, and is only well understood by the best minds - the people you are calling fools."

The issue wasn't whether the mysteries of the cosmos have all been solved yet, but which type of people who gaze at the cosmos and think that they understand it are fools. I don't think that there will be much dissent if I say that the poster I cited qualifies.

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#220435 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's like saying Obama created jobs.
Both statements are incorrect.
Ahh is this the jobs that bush and his b(w)anker cronies lost when they screwed the world – 3 times?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

Bit far fetched so try

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_dur...

Or

http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/...

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#220436 Mar 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Yeah. But for an atheist, the Pope seems pretty religious.
Well,he's a Jesuit.
A startling number of them are atheists - something to do with the education, I suppose.

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#220437 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
"blacklagoon" said that as far as science is concerned, DNA didn't exist until it was discovered.
Yup, dinosaurs had no DNA.
It's amazing what the Topix Atheists! can teach us.
Did you know the Pope is atheist?
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Is that what just happened?
What statement did I put in quotes, idiot?
In what way did I attempt youse that post to prove God, idiot?
"blacklagoon"? my bad, I assumed a leading quite for the sentence, not the name

And still you can not provide the link for evidence, I wonder why?

What does “youse” mean, is it American slang or just something you made up?

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#220438 Mar 20, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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.. he rebuilt the church infrastructure and opened 25000 churches,...
Oh, I'm sure that was comforting. Probably made everyone forget about this:

"During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot...Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services. This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years."

And I guess it made up for this:

"After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions. The League of Militant Godless employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked. Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union. These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion. From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country"

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#220439 Mar 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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That tells us nothing about whether he was an atheist.
This, on the other hand, tells us something:
"There is no god".-Joe Stalin
It tells us he was responsible for the opening of 25000 churches

Can’t really say I ever heard of an atheist who was so magnanimous to a worthless organisation who you claim he was completely against.

And youtube is proof of god tells us exactly as much. Your post, your words, I have first hand evidence for that statement, what you have is the second hand report of a teenage student about another teenage student.

So are we to take them as both as fact? Or are you going to deny you said it?

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#220440 Mar 20, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh is this the jobs that bush and his b(w)anker cronies lost when they screwed the world – 3 times?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
Bit far fetched so try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_dur...
Or
http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/...
There are fewer people employed today than when Bush left office.

That's with Obama spending over a trillion dollars of taxpayer money on "economic stimulus", and the Federal Reserve printing an additional $85 billion dollars per month for stimulus.

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#220441 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You sure seem to know a lot about Christians and their penises.
Why is that?
A natural reaction to the christian stupidity of stereotyping

KiMare tells us all blondes are dumb and I respond with all christians have small penis’s

But I see you have not commented on KiMare BS, I wonder why?

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#220442 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I found a picture of you.
https://www.google.com/imgres...
Wrong, wow perhaps you are christian after all

I have not asked for christmas presents since I was a child. And bedside, you take no notice of what your good christian butt buddy KiMare tells you, I am blonde.

But I found one of you http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XofxIYyvZ1s/hqdefault....

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#220443 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't know if you know this, but you typing words on your keyboard isn't fact, it isn't you posting evidence. If you posting your opinion.
So I challenge you again, if you have evidence that Stalin turned to God for help then please post it.
If not, shut the fuck up.
I don’t know if you know this but praying that your lies are accepted as fact does not make them fact

I have provided links previously, I am not here to wipe your a$$, get buck to do it for you.

If you are too bone idle to educate yourself then don’t expect anyone else to do it.

That seems to be a common RRism now, whenever you are stuck with nowhere else to go you come out with “shut the fuck up.”

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#220444 Mar 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Well, there you go! Proof Stalin was a Christian, not an atheist - He had religious books in his library....
This outweighs the evidence of him spending his adult life trying to eradicate religion, and create an atheist state.
And saying "There is no god".
Everyone knows if you have books on a subject, it makes you that subject.
Like I have books about science fiction - that makes me an astronaut.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha...
Thank you, at last

Oh damn, you were just trying to be sarcastic, never mind.

Part of his adult life you fool, part of it, his aim was to rid the state of corruption in the christian church by whatever means worked, something you don’t seem at all bothered about for some strange reason. Once that task was complete he began the process of rebuilding the church in an image of a church, not in the image of cronyism for the Tsar.

There is a considerable difference in the mind of a christian between owning a babble and other such seminary text and owning works of fiction. As a confirmed godbot, this your should be completely aware of.

Ahh but wait a moment, if you admitted that then you would have to concede your point wouldn’t you? How pathetic that you have to make up irrelevant BS to try and score debating points

Oh yes and this manic laughter is a sing that your meds need sorting out again, you really should see you shrink

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#220445 Mar 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I'm sure that was comforting. Probably made everyone forget about this:
"During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot...Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services. This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years."
And I guess it made up for this:
"After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions. The League of Militant Godless employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked. Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union. These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion. From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country"
Yup , RR has tried that same cherry picking too and I proved to him that it was nothing more than cherry picking by providing the complete quotes. I am not even going to bother with your attempt, you are simply not worth it

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#220446 Mar 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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There are fewer people employed today than when Bush left office.
That's with Obama spending over a trillion dollars of taxpayer money on "economic stimulus", and the Federal Reserve printing an additional $85 billion dollars per month for stimulus.
Citations please?

I know for a fact that bush and his b(w)anker cronies caused the 2007/8 depression that dear dubya was proud to shufty out of and leave to obama to dig your country out of the shite.

Which I will admit he dug you out rather more quickly that the majority of the world that dear dubya and his buddies also left in the shite

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#220447 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The peppered moth photos are demonstration of scientific lies.
And here you are, defending the pair of "real moths" that has become one of the most famous and controversial examples of staged photographs in all of science.
Lemme ask ya this. Since bats eats moths more than birds do, what evolutionary advantage does a fake moth color have over echo location?
They were not lies. The original color of the moth was light grey and the tree trunks in the area were of the same color. After the start of the Industrial Revolution and the burning of coal, the trunks of the trees became dark from soot. The coloration of the moths changed to a dark gray to camouflage them during the daytime, when birds would eat them. Naturally they took pictures of the light phase on a dark back ground and the dark phase on a white background so you could see them.

Dummy

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#220448 Mar 20, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Why is this an issue worth so much energy? Is this being offered as evidence that science is unreliable 9in general, or that Darwin's theory of evolution is not valid?
If the illustrations are faulty or misleading, they should be replaced with better ones. Is anybody resisting this idea?
It's very telling of scientists and evolution-pushers to use debunked and fraudulent 'science' to prove evolution happens. You'll get evolution-pushers like Michael Richardson, a purfesir of evolution, saying that "on a fundamental level, Haeckel was correct".

It's in high school science books today, even though it was debunked half a century ago.

Go figure.

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#220449 Mar 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

That's like saying Obama created jobs.
Both statements are incorrect.
ChristineM wrote:
Ahh is this the jobs that bush and his b(w)anker cronies lost when they screwed the world – 3 times?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
Bit far fetched so try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_create_duri...
Or
http://www.dpcc.senat.gov/...
I said Obama, not Bush.

Why are you stuck on bush?

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#220450 Mar 20, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Wrong, wow perhaps you are christian after all
I have not asked for christmas presents since I was a child. And bedside, you take no notice of what your good christian butt buddy KiMare tells you, I am blonde.
But I found one of you http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XofxIYyvZ1s/hqdefault....
Ooooooh! You just called me a monkey.

How racist of you.

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#220451 Mar 20, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I don’t know if you know this but praying that your lies are accepted as fact does not make them fact
I have provided links previously, I am not here to wipe your a$$, get buck to do it for you.
If you are too bone idle to educate yourself then don’t expect anyone else to do it.
That seems to be a common RRism now, whenever you are stuck with nowhere else to go you come out with “shut the fuck up.”
The link you provided said that Stalin was an atheist.

Did you read that?

The link you provided said that Stalin was an atheist.

If you're here to prove yourself wrong, you're doing a fantastic job.

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