Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#220676 Mar 21, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
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What do you think about equal rights?
equal rights for who/what: for theives, murders, gluttons, adulterers, fornicators...etc?

i think they should all have the equal right to repent of their destructive behavior before they perish! but, i don't think that they should have the right to bring the rest of society down with them...

“Credulity is not a virtue”

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#220677 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I trust my intuition more than anything, don't you?
Objective evidence is not the answer to everything, some things just exist without having any evidence at all. You dream every night, did you dream about a boat or about flying? There's no way to objectively prove either one, but your dream did happen. Sometimes subjective evidence is the way to find the answer.
Skepticism is just doubting the truth of something. You can doubt all you want, but that confirms or denies nothing.
I trust my intuition to a degree, but certainly not more than anything. Turns out, facts are more likely to be right than intuition.

Skepticism is not simply doubting the truth of something, It is also the expectation that claims are upheld by objective evidence. You are correct that skepticism in itself does not confirm or falsify anything. It is a tool, in fact the first one that should be used, to determine whether something is true or false. Without skepticism you would simply believe everything presented to you. So everyone uses skepticism to some degree; I just don't see why one would be afraid to apply it consistently.

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#220678 Mar 21, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Yes, you can.
The choice cause the foreknowledge, not vice-versa.
Nope. What you are talking about is prediction, not knowledge. If God could merely predict the future based on our choices, then there would always be the possibility that God could be wrong. If God knew the future as a fact, then God would never be wrong but you would not have free-will anymore. It's really not that hard to figure out.

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#220679 Mar 21, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I'm skeptical of your skepticism.
I don't think it exists.
You've never seen any evidence that I've applied skepticism before? Well, I think that get's back to those reading and comprehension issues of yours that we've discussed in the past.

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#220680 Mar 21, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>He was a scumbag, you know, a Fundie.
http://www.vice.com/read/fred-phelps-has-died
you mean he was a so-called 'liberal', but in reality a socialist/fascist?

dude - they're the worst fundies of ALL FUNDEMENTALIST CONTROL FREAKS!!!

they can't go a day without lobbying to pass a zillion more anal retentive laws!

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#220681 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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equal rights for who/what: for theives, murders, gluttons, adulterers, fornicators...etc?
i think they should all have the equal right to repent of their destructive behavior before they perish! but, i don't think that they should have the right to bring the rest of society down with them...
Once again you make yourself the judge of others. Something that your deity explicitly forbids.

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#220682 Mar 21, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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So you fall into the faith and works camp? Well, then by extension the sacrifice of Jesus was insufficient in itself.
Are you sure that is your final answer? I have lots of Bible quotes which say faith alone is sufficient.
lol! then, you'll argue with me when i say that faith alone is sufficient!

you know ssssoooo much dude, so sssssoooo much will be required of you!

i'd get out there and start preaching the Gospel if i were you.......

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#220683 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you mean he was a so-called 'liberal', but in reality a socialist/fascist?
dude - they're the worst fundies of ALL FUNDEMENTALIST CONTROL FREAKS!!!
they can't go a day without lobbying to pass a zillion more anal retentive laws!
I think part of the problem is that you don't have a good grasp of what terms like "liberal", "socialist", and "fascist" mean. For one thing, you lump socialism and fascism together, when those two things are polar opposites politically (socialism is left, fascism is right).

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#220684 Mar 21, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Sorry, but your reply made no sense. Let's try again, shall we?
If God knows your fate in advance, then obviously you have no free will. If you really had free will, then you could surprise God, and God could be wrong.
Correct. But, the illusion of free will might be worth giving so that people felt important, and to decide their fate,... godlike.

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#220685 Mar 21, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Once again you make yourself the judge of others. Something that your deity explicitly forbids.
yes, i am your judge, sir wilderide!

i hereby judge you loved of God, so much so that He sent His only Son to take your place in judgement:-)

“I see quantum effects”

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#220686 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>So is my boot.
Ooooo...

Good comeback.

Your kids help you with that?

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#220687 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>how does one earn it and from whom? thou self-righteous judge and jury of everything!
One would need to show at least occasional use of it.

Something I haven't seen from you yet.

And, oh caller of others as judgemental, you might want to consider dropping the whole "you're going to hell" routine.

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#220688 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>but isn't it interesting that you seem to be exhibiting his very same spiritual DNA?
No such thing.

I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't. Seriously juvenile.

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#220689 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>equal rights for who/what: for theives, murders, gluttons, adulterers, fornicators...etc?

i think they should all have the equal right to repent of their destructive behavior before they perish! but, i don't think that they should have the right to bring the rest of society down with them...
I thought we were talking about gays.

You know. Those people whose sex lives don't affect anybody but them.

Are you equating gays with all those other crimes that DO harm others?

If so, please explain.

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#220690 Mar 21, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So is my boot.
You talk to your boot?

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#220691 Mar 21, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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Correct. But, the illusion of free will might be worth giving so that people felt important, and to decide their fate,... godlike.
;)

True enough, but the thing is that Christian ideology hinges on the concept of actual free will. If you take free will away, then the whole house of cards falls down.

Interestingly, the God if the Bible is not described as omniscient at all. Quite the opposite in fact. God is surprised, angered (not to say petulant), and changes it's mind. None of those things would be possible if God was actually omniscient. So Biblically-speaking God is not omniscient anyway, and by extension not omnipotent. It's only Christians who insist that God is the most extreme everything, but that aren't actually backed-up by their own book on this.

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#220692 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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yes, i am your judge, sir wilderide!
i hereby judge you loved of God, so much so that He sent His only Son to take your place in judgement:-)
Great! Then I'm saved and I have nothing to worry about. In fact, everyone is saved.

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#220693 Mar 21, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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lol! then, you'll argue with me when i say that faith alone is sufficient!
you know ssssoooo much dude, so sssssoooo much will be required of you!
i'd get out there and start preaching the Gospel if i were you.......
Nothing is required of anyone. Jesus paid for everyone's sins. Mission accomplished.

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#220695 Mar 21, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>You talk to your boot?
It's on his intellectual level.

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#220697 Mar 21, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing is required of anyone. Jesus paid for everyone's sins. Mission accomplished.
Hallelujah!!!

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