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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218818 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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This is the same stupid argument borrowed from Richard Dawkins, which he stole from someone previously.
The fallacy of it is the idea of "all but one god".
This is foisted as a minor exception. But the exception is eternal and everlasting, if true.
One god is not quantitatively different than many gods. So there is no point.
Only stupid people employ this tactic.
Thank you for your invitation to the club of stupid people but I'm afraid I must decline it.

Since: May 10

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#218819 Mar 13, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>1. No, it's not, it's a facile, childish example.
2. No, it's not. I proved why in the post, but you cling inanely to the crazy argument from ignorance.
3. Silly.
4. Yes, they do. Your assertion is a spineless recitation of Apologist nonsense.
So says you, Eye Speck.

You're out of your league here. If you persist, I will make you look as stupid as Christine=mc^2.

You are a return visitor. I recognize the phony cocksure-ness.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218820 Mar 13, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> So that means something ..as long as you agree with the speculation huh?
That is pretty much Buck's modus operandi. Being such a narcissist must be very lonely.

Since: May 10

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#218821 Mar 13, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>1. No, it's not, it's a facile, childish example.
2. No, it's not. I proved why in the post, but you cling inanely to the crazy argument from ignorance.
3. Silly.
4. Yes, they do. Your assertion is a spineless recitation of Apologist nonsense.
No mammalian sea creature has a pelvis.

Since: May 10

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#218822 Mar 13, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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No, it just a demonstration that you don't understand what the materialist argument is.
That's rich, coming from you. You think an atheist is someone who rejects the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Since: May 10

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#218823 Mar 13, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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That is pretty much Buck's modus operandi. Being such a narcissist must be very lonely.
Sure. You are judging me from the same perch of wisdom from which you pronounced slavery as being overcome by non-christians,...somewhere,.. ..somehow.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218824 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Okey-dokey. This should get you started. Let me know when you get through these, and I'll give you some more.
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether
God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
LOL! You spent all that time vomiting up a cut-and-paste diatribe while missing the point of the question? Wow, reading and comprehension issues much?

OK, I'll give it to you again: "So I'm curious: to those who insist that atheism is a belief, please describe what that belief necessarily entails. I'm an atheist, so I'm interested to see what I therefore must believe as a consequence."

So, once again for the slow kids: if atheism is a belief, then what other beliefs follow as a consequence?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218826 Mar 13, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting.
How is it that a book you claim okays slavery is the only source prompting people to fight slavery?
Um, well, that is a question for you, isn't it? It's just like Christians who argued for womens' suffrage, despite what the Bible says. It's Christians acting in opposition to the Bible. But then Christians do that all the time anyway, and given how morally repugnant the Bible is, that's fine with me.
And ironically, atheists who have absolutely no history of fighting slavery, but in fact support it, try to pin it on the only source of real opposition?
You have no idea what you are talking about.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218827 Mar 13, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so confused.
Belief? That's not important.
Congrats Smirky, you just took a step toward reason and away from religion.

Since: May 10

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#218828 Mar 13, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Despite your Riverdance here, theism is religion. Christianity is a religion of one, of the self, the ultimate self worship. I like the fact that you clowns backpedal from the religious tag. Soon we can start to collect the billions of dollars in tax revenue that the theistic con men steal, from the American people. Keep the churches but make them pay for their gull.
You are a moron, Eye Speck.

No religion is required to believe a god exists.

Guess how I know?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218829 Mar 13, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
According to James 3:1, those ego know the Bible, the gospel, will be under stricter judgement that those who don't.
And according to Romans 2, those that are ignorant of the gospel will be judged by their actions, not their following of Jesus' teachings.
Exactly. So according to Paul, God needs to have two entirely different and contradictory methods for judging humans because God can't communicate effectively.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Since: May 10

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#218830 Mar 13, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! You spent all that time vomiting up a cut-and-paste diatribe while missing the point of the question? Wow, reading and comprehension issues much?
OK, I'll give it to you again: "So I'm curious: to those who insist that atheism is a belief, please describe what that belief necessarily entails. I'm an atheist, so I'm interested to see what I therefore must believe as a consequence."
So, once again for the slow kids: if atheism is a belief, then what other beliefs follow as a consequence?
You changed your story.

First, you asked for a description of what the atheist belief entails.

Now, you ask something different - what "other beliefs follow".

I'm going to assume you meant the original question you asked, and you are now just being your usual asshole self. So here is your answer again.

Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether
God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218831 Mar 13, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not possible. Even if you use a Topix Atheist! definition of atheism, it doesn't require one to believe in all gods in order to not be an atheist.
OK, I'll break it down further for you:

Do you believe in the divinity of Lord Krishna? If not, doesn't that make you an atheist in that regard?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218832 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a well-articulated argument. I thank you.
The reason I thank you is you prompted my brain to shift into "Buck Drive".(That's the mental equivalent of "Warp Drive" on the Starship Enterprise in Star Trek.) Scotty always warns "She's about to break up, Captain".(Set-up line)
There is an Achilles Heel to your thesis, and it represents the tidal flaw in Darwinian theory. You want, and need, to apply to this material process a "force" as in pressure or a "pull" as in gravity. We understand gravitational force acting around bodies of matter bending space. We have bathroom scales to measure it.
You can't distinguish between environmental pressures on an organism and gravity?

LOL! Well, so much for "Buck Drive".

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218833 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That's rich, coming from you. You think an atheist is someone who rejects the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
And I'm correct in that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Since: Mar 09

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#218834 Mar 13, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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The internet is a tool that can be and is abused. There is considerable work, certainly here in Europe and eastern countries in tracking down and prosecute such abuse. Can’t say the same for the US, seems they are more interested in protecting loopholes in military security than catching paedophiles.
Priest are supposed to be trustworthy. Even 1.8% of all priest being abusers is a long way from 0%
And if that 1.8% hit the media, then so what. Such notoriety is only a fraction of what is deserved
The U.S. spends way too much on defense. I have read anywhere between more than the next 10 countries combined, out of which all but 1 is an ally. In addition to the waste and corruption. While less than 1% of tips about Internet child porn don't even have the manpower to be checked. I agree that the things that take priority with much of our spending makes no sense to me

And I don't sat 1.8% to minimize it. Just to put it in perspective for those that feel (sometimes in part due to the media coverage) that there is a disproportionate amount of abuse in the church compared to anywhere else. And yeah the breach of trust makes it worse if that's possible for a crime that bad

As for the media, sure report it. But my point is that is should all be newsworthy. A kid abuses by a priest is no more victimized than one abused by some unknown teacher. And I know realistically all crimes can't get coverage or equal coverage but it should be based on ability and resources. We should be trying as a society to expose as much as this as possible. The church gets so much attention in the same way Paris Hiton or celebrity gossip does. Because people's priorities and concerns are messed up as well. We only seem to care if it can be labeled a scandal because that makes for juicier 'news' rather than news being based on what's more important that society knows

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218835 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure. You are judging me from the same perch of wisdom from which you pronounced slavery as being overcome by non-christians,...somewhere,.. ..somehow.
You aren't paying attention again Buck; that's not what I said. Any Christian who argued against slavery did so against the clear dictates of the Bible. Christians were not the only ones who fought against slavery but they were they only ones who fought for it.

Don't take my word for it; crack open a history book sometime and see for yourself.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#218836 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You changed your story.
First, you asked for a description of what the atheist belief entails.
Now, you ask something different - what "other beliefs follow".
*sigh* No Buck, you are conflating two entirely different posts. It's not my fault that you can't pay attention, OK? Take some personal responsibility for yourself.

Meanwhile, answering either point would be welcome. It's better than whining, anyway.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#218839 Mar 13, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The mousetrap is irreducibly complex, per the definition.
It is falsifiable. All you have to do is remove a component and observe the same trap still performing the same function that the complete system does.
And mammalian sea creatures do not have a pelvis.
The Bergen Museum, for one, disagrees with you.

"The pelvic anatomy of whales makes a good example of how evolution has transformed body parts that lost their importance as the animals changed their lifestyle. In modern whales, the pelvic girdle is much smaller than in land living mammals, but there is a considerable variation among species. Bones from the Natural History Collections in Bergen were used by Professor O. Abel in Vienna when he in 1907 described the morphology of pelvic girdles and vestigial limbs of whales. Read the article here (pdf, 39 MB) >>>"

They have some.

More here: http://bergenmuseum.uib.no/fagsider/osteologi...

Since: Mar 09

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#218844 Mar 13, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Heh

Not bad:)

If we can't laugh at ourselves occasionally then not much point in getting out of bed.

(T) Peace

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