Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#215253 Feb 26, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, don't get so worked up because people can have sex without a man involved. That's where this discussion started, right? You don't like it when women say they can have sex with each other.
Here's the deal. Not everybody is so misogynistic and/or sexually repressed that they think the male/female missionary position is the definition of sex.
How's Mrs. Neck doing? Good I hope.
And furthermore!(lol)

Why do you always bring up the missionary position with me? Do you think I'm sexually deprived or something and know no other position?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#215254 Feb 26, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Paul predates the Gospels. Back to Ehrman.
With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul)-- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are is pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James. If Jesus did not exist, you would think his brother would know it.
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Secular sources not likely to use the Gospels
http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.ht...
CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 - 120 A.D.) Tacitus was a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian who lived through the reigns of over half a dozen
Roman emperors. Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus' execution at the
hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from 26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.
"Christus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the
pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, by through the city of
Rome also." Annals XV, 44...
Skeptic Interjection: Could Tacitus have taken his information from Christian sources?
Answer: Because of his position as a professional historian and not as a commentator, it is more likely Tacitus referenced government
records over Christian testimony. It is also possible Tacitus received some of his information from his friend and fellow secular historian, Pliny
the Younger. Yet, even if Tacitus referenced some of Pliny's sources, it would be out of his character to have done so without critical
investigation. An example of Tacitus criticising testimony given to him even from his dear friend Pliny is found here: Annals XV, 55. Tacitus
distinguishes between confirmed and hearsay accounts almost 70 times in his History. If he felt this account of Jesus was only a rumor or
folklore, he would have issued his usual disclaimer that this account was unverified.
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<quoted text> The Gospels can be used to establish existence.
You really can't use Paul or the writings ascribed to his for any kind of historical evidence. There is no record of his death and NO information on his life. Paul's own account of his life is found in Galatians--his epistles are found in the "book of Acts," Biblical scholars say that information is "acts" directly contradicts his accounts in Galatians. There are no autographed copies of his writings and NO original manuscripts.

The evidence for most of the history connected to the bible and Christianity just keeps unravelling. There are many biblical scholars who would discount the Gospels as any kind of evidence, I have already posted some of those, in addition, Most biblical scholars say that the Pentateuch was really written almost 1,000 years after the time attributed to Moses's time. On this view Moses did not write any part of the bible. Evidence indicated it was written by Levite priesthood who wrote the Levitical laws in the bible.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#215255 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Your link says that.
""Masturbation prepares you for great sex"
Own it. Masturbation is not sex.
Solo Sex is a sexual activity.
Masturbation is a sexual activity.

No I don't really call it sex, but it is by definition.
After masturbating ,I wouldn't be saying anything like..
Man that was some good sex. lol
But a sex act is sex

sex say it! sex
sexsexsex
sexxxes lmao .

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#215256 Feb 26, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, don't get so worked up because people can have sex without a man involved. That's where this discussion started, right? You don't like it when women say they can have sex with each other.
Here's the deal. Not everybody is so misogynistic and/or sexually repressed that they think the male/female missionary position is the definition of sex.
How's Mrs. Neck doing? Good I hope.
I'm not that repressed when it comes to positions.

I have tried:

The Flying Dutchman, The Penal Colada, The Plump Pumpkin, The PB&J, The Garden Salad, The Taco Tackle, Summer Sausage, The Anal Cruelty, The Urethra Punch, The Squealin' Pig, The Squirmin' Sherman, The Clitoral Crunch, The Red Baron, The Portuguese Pot Holder, Bumper Cars, The Big Dipper, and the Twisted Doggy.

Some of those make me hungry.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#215257 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Your link says that.
"Masturbation prepares you for great sex"
Own it. Masturbation is not sex.
<quoted text>
What "University" taught you that masturbation means giving someone other than yourself a hand job?
You should get a refund, purfesir.
Get up off the floor, you're embarrassing the other atheists here.
What did your mother call it when she was jerking you off ?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#215258 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Two women can be sexual with each other but they can't have sex.
Sorry.
Mrs RR is great.
But she got a sunburn on her cleavage.
Maybe I should call her Mrs RedBoobs.
Sexual without sex ?

More word salad from RR.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#215259 Feb 26, 2014
"Joseph jerked off into Mary and that is how they got a 'Virgin Birth'." - RR

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#215260 Feb 26, 2014
"Fish reproduce without sex." - RR

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#215261 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you notice that IANS said "Christians shouldn't be trusted with statistics"?
Of course you didn't.
Don't wanna cry ad hominem or bigot on your own kind, eh?
I saw that. A bit of hyperbole.

And in your case I agree with him. You don't understand statistics. And worse, when something about statistics is explained to you, you refuse to learn.

As IANS says, your brain is broken and religion is the reason.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#215262 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
This is funny coming from the Topix Atheist! Spelling Police Chief.....
Excellent rebuttal.

In the law, there's a saying: If the law is on your side, pound the law. If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are on your side, pound the table.

You're a perfect example of a table pounder.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#215263 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Louisiana does not have the highest murder rate by firearm, California does. In 2011, LA had 402 murders by firearm, CA had 1,220.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in ...
<quoted text>
No they don't. I'm referring to the quantity of murders by firearm per year.
1) California has the highest number of gun murders of any state.

2) California has the highest number of Christians of any state.

What do you conclude from these two facts?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#215264 Feb 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Two women can be sexual with each other but they can't have sex.
Sorry.
Mrs RR is great.
But she got a sunburn on her cleavage.
Maybe I should call her Mrs RedBoobs.
Don't hit her until she recovers from the sunburn.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#215265 Feb 26, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not that repressed when it comes to positions.
I have tried:
The Flying Dutchman, The Penal Colada, The Plump Pumpkin, The PB&J, The Garden Salad, The Taco Tackle, Summer Sausage, The Anal Cruelty, The Urethra Punch, The Squealin' Pig, The Squirmin' Sherman, The Clitoral Crunch, The Red Baron, The Portuguese Pot Holder, Bumper Cars, The Big Dipper, and the Twisted Doggy.
Some of those make me hungry.
I have a banana you can put in your jello.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#215266 Feb 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You really can't use Paul or the writings ascribed to his for any kind of historical evidence. There is no record of his death and NO information on his life. Paul's own account of his life is found in Galatians--his epistles are found in the "book of Acts," Biblical scholars say that information is "acts" directly contradicts his accounts in Galatians. There are no autographed copies of his writings and NO original manuscripts.
The evidence for most of the history connected to the bible and Christianity just keeps unravelling. There are many biblical scholars who would discount the Gospels as any kind of evidence, I have already posted some of those, in addition, Most biblical scholars say that the Pentateuch was really written almost 1,000 years after the time attributed to Moses's time. On this view Moses did not write any part of the bible. Evidence indicated it was written by Levite priesthood who wrote the Levitical laws in the bible.
A good many Biblical scholars believe there were 4 groups of priests that were responsible for writing the Pentateuch. The E group, E standing for Elohim. The J group, J standing for YHWH (which is spelled JHWH in German). The D group, the writers of Deuteronomy. And the P group, the priest in Babylon.

There is no historical or archeological evidence of Moses. In fact, there is no evidence of the Israelites in Egypt at all.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#215267 Feb 26, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
1) California has the highest number of gun murders of any state.
2) California has the highest number of Christians of any state.
What do you conclude from these two facts?
UM...

that

1) California has the highest number of gun murders of any state.
2) California has the highest number of Christians of any state.

Other than that, I cant say...not enough information.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#215268 Feb 26, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
A good many Biblical scholars believe there were 4 groups of priests that were responsible for writing the Pentateuch. The E group, E standing for Elohim. The J group, J standing for YHWH (which is spelled JHWH in German). The D group, the writers of Deuteronomy. And the P group, the priest in Babylon.
There is no historical or archeological evidence of Moses. In fact, there is no evidence of the Israelites in Egypt at all.
Correct.

Even modern Rabbis admit that the "Books of Moses" were not written by Moses and that they are not "Histories" but rather legends and stories passed down by tradition.

Since: Jun 12

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#215269 Feb 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You really can't use Paul or the writings ascribed to his for any kind of historical evidence. There is no record of his death and NO information on his life. Paul's own account of his life is found in Galatians--his epistles are found in the "book of Acts,"
Paul as used as a source for historical Jesus here. As are the Gospels. By the experts. Not, non professional internet despisers of religion who are in denial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_...

Paul used by Ehrman here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/d...

Few of these mythicists [Lagoon, ians, Topix atheists] are actually scholars trained in ancient history, religion, biblical studies or any cognate field, let alone in the ancient languages generally thought to matter for those who want to say something with any degree of authority about a Jewish teacher who (allegedly) lived in first-century Palestine...

With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul)-- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are is pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James. If Jesus did not exist, you would think his brother would know it.

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Biblical scholars say that information is "acts" directly contradicts his accounts in Galatians.
Who cares? They still can be used to establish existence.
There are no autographed copies of his writings and NO original manuscripts.
So now you need autographed copies and original manuscripts to establish historicity according to internet ''expert'' lagoon.
The evidence for most of the history connected to the bible and Christianity just keeps unravelling.
Only in your wet dreams.
There are many biblical scholars who would discount the Gospels as any kind of evidence,
For existence? Only in your wet dreams. I gave you the sources and the names of the experts are there with footnotes.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#215270 Feb 26, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
The oldest known manuscript that contains Tacitus' reference to "christians", has been shown to have been altered from the original word "chrestians".
This has been proven by spectral analysis of the document. Your gut reaction may be - "Chrestians, Christians...it's the same!" - but it isn't.
""The Roman historian Tacitus wrote about how "chrestians" were blamed for the burning of Rome in 64 c.e. Later editions of his Annals show that the term chrestians was edited to read as "Christians" instead. This reveals a systematic effort to legitimize a new religious movement that otherwise had no scriptural or historical backing. This fact completely removes the Christian name from the first century.
There is a conspicuous gap between the first i and s. The first i is much bolder and of a different style than the second. Upon closer inspection of the Latin Medicean II manuscript using ultraviolet light, it becomes apparent that the space was originally occupied by an e which was erased and replaced with an i by a later scribe. The original said "chrestians".
Consequently, the long standing tradition in the Church that Nero had persecuted Christians is a historical fallacy. This suggests that it was probably the Natzraya (Nazarenes) that suffered, the only group called Chrestians by the common people."
http://www.natzraya.org/Articles/Christian/Ch...
Additionally, Tacitus speaks about other "pagan gods" as if they actually exist.
Far more than the mention of the Jesus.
\~Maybe those deities exist, too~/. After all, you are insisting that since Tacitus made a reference to the Jesus, he must be real.
Why doesn't the same reasoning you use apply to the other "gods"?
Oh, right, you don't believe in those deities~/.
Good stuff scaritual - hopefully others will read it too.

Best regards,

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#215271 Feb 26, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Sex *is* intercourse, homie.
<quoted text>
.. that brings me back to my original question ..
.. did President Clinton have sex with that woman ??..
As of right now, it appears he didn't, although he did seem to "miss" on the finishing.

:o)

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#215272 Feb 26, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Solo Sex is a sexual activity.
Masturbation is a sexual activity.
No I don't really call it sex, but it is by definition.
After masturbating ,I wouldn't be saying anything like..
Man that was some good sex. lol
But a sex act is sex
sex say it! sex
sexsexsex
sexxxes lmao .
I disagree with you but at least you made me chuckle.

Well done.

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