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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211964 Feb 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
At a Catholic hospital in Ardmore, OK a receptionist expressed this opinion...
“How can she say atheist in front of these kids?! You shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce if that’s how you feel. That’s just my opinion.“
For more see...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
...and the follow-up...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Obviously, all atheophobic bigotry comes from religion. In the West, that means Christianity. Who else is putting ideas like that in people's minds?

I have often read here and elsewhere that we unbelievers should just live and let live, meaning, stop denigrating the church. Does any theist posting think that we unbelievers don't have a right to push back and attempt to mitigate the damage the church does to us? Do you think that we should just accept it?

An effective rebuttal begins with pointing out the lie in the claim that Christianity is about love and the Golden Rule. Institutions and ideologies that actually embrace such lofty ideas don't teach people to think about atheists the way that the church and the Christian bible do.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#211965 Feb 11, 2014
HBO is airing a show titled, "Questioning Darwin"

Mark Joseph of Slate has written a review titled,“The Cruelty of Creationism.”

He says in one place...

"Creationism, the documentary reveals, isn’t a harmless,compartmentalized fantasy. It’s a suffocating, oppressive worldview through which believers must interpret reality—and its primary target is children. For creationists, intellectual inquiry is a sin, and anyone who dares to doubt the wisdom of their doctrine invites eternal damnation. That’s the perverse brilliance of creationism, the key to its self-perpetuation: First it locks kids in the dungeon of ignorance and dogmatic fundamentalism. Then it throws away the key."
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#211966 Feb 11, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
'Bongo' the short way to spell 'brain washed'.
How do you know you have the right god, there are 40+ versions of the bibull, 32000+ different gods, 38000+ versions of christianity and 4 billion Hindi gods with all faiths saying the same thing "this is the one true god".
Well, Christians do get their mind cleaned up. I know because of receiving a gift. I don't struggle and be confounded by the myriad gods out there because there is only one who is alive, with a valid means of atonement. There is also the history of the Jews , scripture and the Holy Spirit. You need to understand the difference between heart and mind. You have analysis paralysis. And whats so bad about Christianity? Ideally, any "disciplined" one would be no offence except to evil. The ideal is a bit quixotic but we are a work in progress. The burden is easy and the load is light and there is liberty in Christ. Man complicates a simple remedy. Human nature is a problem when unbridled however the elect resurrect not, to condemnation.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211967 Feb 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
The Telegraph recently interviewed Virginians in a small town, particularly noting the opinions of non-believers. They report... "In two days of interviews at least half of the avowed non-believers declined to be named in the Telegraph, citing fears they would be ostracised by friends, family, churches and even their employers."

I feel this is one reason why numbers of non-believers in America may be under-reported. Many may be staying in the atheist closet because of fear of retribution by believers.
Religion is the ONLY reason atheists are subject to bigotry and hatred, both in the job market and in their own families. Who thinks that we should just roll over for it, or that if we don't, it is evidence of hatred and bigotry from unbelievers?

Denying that we are immoral, demon infested souls in rebellion isn't enough. The only effective response I know of is to shine a light on the church.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211968 Feb 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<Jesus knocks on door>
Man inside: "What do you want?"
Jesus: "I want to save you."
Man inside: "From what?"
Jesus: "From what I am going to do to you if you don't open this door."
What greater love is there than that?
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#211969 Feb 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed. I hope you won't take it personally if I deal with him differently that I do the other theists posting.
I wont. I do think you cast aspersions on the Church that color it a little unfairly. Presently there are problems, mostly due to human nature. God has set criteria for his people , that's not likely to change.
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#211970 Feb 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion is the ONLY reason atheists are subject to bigotry and hatred, both in the job market and in their own families. Who thinks that we should just roll over for it, or that if we don't, it is evidence of hatred and bigotry from unbelievers?
Denying that we are immoral, demon infested souls in rebellion isn't enough. The only effective response I know of is to shine a light on the church.
This is good. Your actions should help Christians behave better. Its similar to the cure for racism. Individuals should be ridiculed for unacceptable behavior, not the whole group. Its an amazing thing when atheists use scripture to deal with Christians. Shine that light, after all, Judgement begins in the house of God.
Bongo

Miller Place, NY

#211971 Feb 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What greater love is there than that?
I think people struggle to understand what Holiness is. Knowing how insignificant we are is a good start.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211972 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>yes, yes, i'm quite sure you think you witnessed a miracle, however all indications are that there are no such things as miracles. There has NEVER EVER been a confirmed miracle, otherwise any true miracle would have been front page news world-wide, it would be al over the media. Just think about it, finally the evidence that your God actually exists, every Atheist on the face of the planet would have to eat crow, Religion and the existence of God would be put in a very bright and fulfilling light of truth.
A message from God emblazoned across the face of the moon, leaving indisputable evidence for his existence........A real miracle.
In an instant, every case of childhood cancer on the planet disappears.......A real miracle.
The sudden realization by every person on the planet that we are along in the cosmos, and love and compassion are things to be nurtured and cherished..........The most beautiful of all miracles.
But this is what we get instead:
The face of Jesus on a peanut-butter sandwich.
Someone finding a lost wedding ring after praying for it.
An unexplained illness disappearing (Called self-healing, plenty of documented cases)
Jesus is said to have cured a blind man, how about the poor blind sap just down the road, why not just cure blindness?
With NO documented reliable account of a miracle occurring, all reason and logic point to miracles amounting to nothing more that a delusion, or an event were alternate explanation become possible.
My good Doctor you humor me.

The miracles that I have seen have nothing to do with lost wedding rings and peanut butter.

Nor do they have anything to do with images of the Virgin Mary.

Those that have personally witnessed were astonishing and breath taking.

I haven’t seen them every month or even every year but I have seen them. Those miracles were so incredible, I can’t share them with you because of your unbelief.

When you have someone who has had a personal experience. That experience is not diminished because someone doesn’t believe them.

Such as the experience that happened to Saul on the way to Damascus. He was a law enforcement officer, gang leader, murder, leader of a lynch mob, terrorist and it all came to an end with a experience with God.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#211974 Feb 11, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Pascals wager is invalid. There is no life insurance for a skeptic. By contrast, treasonous atheists have once accepted Christ and the COST, your life. They then reneged and broke covenant . There is a lot of speciousness in your post. Its good to gather with friends and family and give to the ministry, trusting them. Kimare may be unsavory but Jesus is still Lord. A live dog is better than a dead lion.
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> A live dog is better than a dead lion.
Not if you're really hungry.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211975 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So in the case of the Virgin Mary, all of the laws of nature were suspended? Don't you find it a bit curious that she never mentioned the experience to anyone?
You have a story told in an ancient book about an event that medical science says is basically impossible, there is no explanation other than the term immaculate conception, a purely religious term, meaning virtually nothing. And this you believe, simply because of a story in your holy book, no evidence, just a story. Yet you refuse to believe in something for which there are mountains of scientific data, physical evidence, a process that can be witnessed, and for which the most reliable of all sources, DNA point to the irrefutable facts of evolution. Sigh..........such is the poison that religion brings to mankind!!!
You forget the story of Sarah, a ninety year old woman becomes pregnant. Even she laughed at the thought of getting pregnant. Yet the Lord fulfilled his promise he made to Abraham and Sara conceived and gave birth at 90 years old.

Isaac was born and his name meant “laughter.” Because God always has the last laugh when it comes to doubt.

Now before you say Abraham and Sarah never existed. You might want to go to Hebron and visit their graves. God can do the impossible.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#211976 Feb 11, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
HBO is airing a show titled, "Questioning Darwin"
It will be on 6:30 AM, 2:45 PM and 4:45 PM Thursday the 13th and 3:00 AM and 5;00 AM Friday the14th, all times both Eastern time on HBO E and Western time on HBO W.

Still plodding through The Bible's Buried Secrets, with AIB Presents: Atheist in the Bible Belt next in the queue.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211977 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Correct, it's a small world for people who believe without evidence, and shun reliable demonstrable evidence. It's a SMALL world filled with mythical beings and magical places, were the laws of nature mean nothing, it's a very small world compared to the world that actually exists, were everything is real and can be explained, were there are limitless possibilities thanks to science. Yes you are correct, you live in a very small shallow world.
I live on top of a hill Doctor.[smiling][tipping hat]
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211979 Feb 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You're talking about illusions and sleight of hand, like a stage performer. He's talking about supernaturalism - the suspension of the laws of physics.
<quoted text>
That is unlikely.
And yes, you do believe in magic if you believe that bona fide miracles occur. Miracles (the literal sense of the word) such as willing water to become wine are magic (the supernatural sense). Such things are not known to occur.
I understand the correlation you’re making.

I’m sure some magic has occurred but magic represents the dark side (evil). The occult and Satanism. To a non believer such as yourself you see no difference. But there is a difference between the supernatural events that occur because of witchcraft and the occult.

Versus the miracles that have occurred by the One True God. I shall give you an example. When Moses met Pharaoh and Pharaoh asked for proof. Moses threw down his staff and it turned into a snake. Pharaoh magicians came and duplicated the event.

But the snake representing God’s miracle consumed the Pharaoh’s snakes. And there are snakes that eat other snakes. Like for example the Texas King Snake.

My point being is there is a difference.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211980 Feb 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. hi ya KiMare ..
.. why are you posting scripture on an Atheist thread ??..
Why do people climb Mt Everest?

A. Because they want too.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#211981 Feb 11, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Not if you're really hungry.
.. yes ..

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#211982 Feb 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
I live on top of a hill Doctor.[smiling][tipping hat]
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#211983 Feb 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
My good Doctor you humor me.
The miracles that I have seen have nothing to do with lost wedding rings and peanut butter.
Nor do they have anything to do with images of the Virgin Mary.
Those that have personally witnessed were astonishing and breath taking.
I haven’t seen them every month or even every year but I have seen them. Those miracles were so incredible, I can’t share them with you because of your unbelief.
When you have someone who has had a personal experience. That experience is not diminished because someone doesn’t believe them.
Such as the experience that happened to Saul on the way to Damascus. He was a law enforcement officer, gang leader, murder, leader of a lynch mob, terrorist and it all came to an end with a experience with God.
Correct, personal experiences or anecdotal testimony does not constitute as evidence. That you believe it is meaningless in the eyes of skeptics. You could simply be having a delusional experience that seems very real to you.

Saul on his way to Damascus is anecdotal, it's a story from ancient book, to say this is evidence is to say that all of the Greek mythologies are also real.

Try as you might, you have no observable, reliable, verifiable evidence for these miracles you claimed happened.

Question, answer truthfully if possible. Why don't you have every door in your house adorned with garlic? It does keep vampires at bay, are you not afraid of vampires?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211984 Feb 11, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =h8vhijWckdAXX
I listen to the song. How fitting the Beatles have been around now for 50 years. But I think this one backfired on you as the meaning of the lyrics is below.

Paul McCartney wrote this song. It's about a man who is considered a fool by others, but whose foolish demeanor is actually an indication of wisdom.

An event which prompted this song happened when Paul was walking his dog, Martha, on Primrose Hill one morning. As he watched the sun rise, he noticed that Martha was missing. Paul turned around to look for his dog, and there a man stood, who appeared on the hill without making a sound. The gentleman was dressed respectably, in a belted raincoat. Paul knew this man had not been there seconds earlier as he had looked in that direction for Martha. Paul and the stranger exchanged a greeting, and this man then spoke of what a beautiful view it was from the top of this hill that overlooked London. Within a few seconds, Paul looked around again, and the man was gone. He had vanished as he had appeared. A friend of McCartney's, Alistair Taylor, was present with Paul during this strange incident, and wrote of this event in his book, Yesterday.

Both Paul and Alistair could not imagine what happened to this man. He had seemed to vanish in thin air. The nearest trees for cover were too far to reach by walking or running in a few seconds, and the crest of the hill was too far as well to reach in that short time. What made the experience even more mysterious, was that just before this man first appeared, Paul and Alistair were speaking to each other of the beauty they observed of the view towards London and the existence of God. Once back home, they spent the morning discussing what had happened, trying to make some sense of it. They both agreed that this was something others were infer occurred as a result of an "acid trip," but they both swore they had not taken or used any drugs. When Paul filmed the sequence for this song in the film, it shows him on a hilltop overlooking the town of Nice.(thanks, Gavin - Hampden, MA)

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php...
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#211985 Feb 11, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Correct, personal experiences or anecdotal testimony does not constitute as evidence. That you believe it is meaningless in the eyes of skeptics. You could simply be having a delusional experience that seems very real to you.
Saul on his way to Damascus is anecdotal, it's a story from ancient book, to say this is evidence is to say that all of the Greek mythologies are also real.
Try as you might, you have no observable, reliable, verifiable evidence for these miracles you claimed happened.
Question, answer truthfully if possible. Why don't you have every door in your house adorned with garlic? It does keep vampires at bay, are you not afraid of vampires?
I haven’t spent a lot of time in courtrooms but I was on a Jury on two occasions. One was a civil case and the other was a criminal case.

And testimony from witnesses is considered evidence. We both know that personal testimony can be fabricated but it can also be factual.

This is why we have Juries.

Why I don’t have garlic on every door of my house?

I happen to like a little garlic and there may have been times trace elements were on every door of the house. I don’t believe in human vampires except the one’s at the local blood bank.

I’ve given 7 gallons of blood over my lifetime. That’s not as much as some but there are millions that have never even given one unit of blood.

Now on the issue of miracles. Doctor, I don’t need no observable, reliable, verifiable evidence because I don’t need convincing, I saw them with other people.

It’s kind of like Jose Salvador Alvarenga's epic survival story. You are a seaman Doctor, you understand what can go wrong at sea. Yet there are people doubting Alvarenga’s story. He doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone. He lived the experience.

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