Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210782 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You said; "Can you find any definition in any dictionary that would allow us to properly call someone who neither provided the sperm nor help raise a child its father?"
http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUG...
I subsequently gave you 14 alternative definitions.
And you failed to make your case. You gave us metaphorical definitions, like a priest (Father Merrin), or the founder of a field (father of modern chemistry). None make your god Jesus' father.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#210783 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, and it's likely in large part by design. It's an old, famous, and effective way to keep a population distracted while you're working against its interests: divide them in two and have them angrily and suspiciously pointing their fingers at one another. If you want to retool a government and rob the populace of their liberties and wealth, have them at war with each other.
Too cynical?
I dont think its to cynical. I agree.

People are so caught up in their idiologies these days, their party can do no wrong and the other party can do no right, and in the meantime Our government is doing whatever in the hell they want. Like passing an absolutely horrendous health law by lying through their teeth about the whole thing and bribing their own party to pass it.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#210784 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
And you failed to make your case. You gave us metaphorical definitions, like a priest (Father Merrin), or the founder of a field (father of modern chemistry). None make your god Jesus' father.
Did you win?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210785 Feb 4, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Your mind could be blown by the exhale of a piss ant.
Dude! You're back!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210786 Feb 4, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
"Jesus" never encouraged genocide
No wonder they call him a spiritual genius.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210787 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I can hear Riverside Redneck's objection now: That wasn't literal rape or slavery. Plus it protected people - they were better off as slaves. Plus the girls father was well paid in silver - followed by some arcane discussion involving a retranslation of Hebrew using the words "clear" and "simple," a pointing to Jesus saying love one another, and finally,

calling us Christian haters that just want to make his religion look evil.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's not just that you want to make Christianity look evil. You're obsessed with it.
Right on schedule.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210788 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Intellectual vacuum. You.
It's quite telling how you've brought yourself down to Ben's level and delete damn near entire posts.

Why bother responding if you're just gonna respond to two words of a post?!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210789 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You said; "Can you find any definition in any dictionary that would allow us to properly call someone who neither provided the sperm nor help raise a child its father?"
http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUG ...
I subsequently gave you 14 alternative definitions.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And you failed to make your case. You gave us metaphorical definitions, like a priest (Father Merrin), or the founder of a field (father of modern chemistry). None make your god Jesus' father.
Again you erased the part of my post which has already answered you.

The link had three definitions of God as a father.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210790 Feb 4, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Right.
So religion is what is making Texas students rate so low, academically,...
http://www.wtamu.edu/academics/college-ag-sci...
The first entry:

"Recent Accomplishments - National Champions—Again. West Texas A&M had three of the top four individual contestants—including the individual champion and reserve champion—en route to a convincing seventh-consecutive team triumph at the National Reining Horse Association National Championship Nov. 29-30 in Oklahoma City. That’s correct: WTAMU has won this particular and prestigious national championship seven years in succession. This time, Texas A&M University placed second."

Horses. LOL. I fed one carrots yesterday. Do I get an award?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210791 Feb 4, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Well RR - as you already have seen.....
Just because someone was convicted of a rape, murder, etc - it doesn't always mean that the person convicted was the actual culprit.
So what would I do.....
I'm sort of partial to putting all of these folks onto a "prison island" and let them die of old age or by the hands of like persons.
But in truth, I could care less what happens.
IMO - if you can be good - I personally don't want as part of my life.
You may have a different opinion though.
I'm not all for genocide like Pat is.
It would be plausible to say that all so-called "Christians" who still donate to their churches, should be tried for supporting and aiding pedophilia....but will that happen? I guess not, huh?
Double standards are the ways of Christianity.
You speak of double standards after pulling one on this very post?

You're defense is that not all convicted rapists or murderers are actually guilty.

You them go on to say that you'd stick em on an island so they can kill each other off.

Huh.

Even the innocent ones?!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210792 Feb 4, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
Many Christians seem to think killing people is an act of love.
If it's done in obedience to the Yahwey, how can it not be an act of love? God is love.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#210793 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It's quite telling how you've brought yourself down to Ben's level and delete damn near entire posts.
Why bother responding if you're just gonna respond to two words of a post?!
Then you should be happy with me!

I don't bother responding to your posts.

I just call you out as the stupid, angry ChristoWhiteSupremacist that you are.

Among other things.

If you want me to mention the other things, I'm here to serve.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#210794 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I know, timn. You missed the conversation and ignorantly jumped in the middle.
Scar claimed that the idea of the days in Genesis not being 24 hours was about 250 years old.
And he credited it to advances in science for this 'new' way of Biblical interpretation.
I showed him that that idea has been around as long as Jesus.
Much, much longer than any major scientific advances.
Except of course for spontaneous generation....
hahaa

Okay. Let's take a look.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Scar claimed that the idea of the days in Genesis not being 24 hours was about 250 years old.
I didn't say that.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
And he credited it to advances in science for this 'new' way of Biblical interpretation.
I didn't say that either.

I have no doubt you think I did, but you aren't known for your reading comprehension.

Here's that post, in full.
scaritual wrote:
It's the religious book of the Jews, they think it means a literal 7 days.
Christians really like trying to tweak and massage the passages of the mythic OT to fit what they want it to mean, and especially so since modern science has blown many of the claims made in the "deity inspired holy tomes" out of the water.
Until about 250 years ago, all Abrahamic faiths accepted the flood, the seven day creation etc..., as definitely real. Christians, too.
Now it's splintered into all sorts of bizarre interpretations and wild explanations in an attempt to salvage the belief as Christianity and others try to adjust to what they know can't be, but really want it to be.
It reminds me of a kid denying it's gonna rain when the rain drops are hitting the windows because he really wanted to ride his new bike.
That's what I said.

Try to wrap your head around it. Try to read what it says, not what you think it says or want it to mean.

Remember, it doesn't come from your bible, you don't get to try and interpret it to mean what you want it to mean because you need it to mean that.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I showed him that that idea has been around as long as Jesus. Much, much longer than any major scientific advances.
You'd be mistaken if you think that.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Except of course for spontaneous generation....


Do you mean like in the virgin birth/Mary!/Jesus! myth?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#210796 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
No he didn't.
<quoted text>
Do you know when science upended your bible's flat earth hypothesis? Well before the first century.
Thanks.

Ar Ar isn't known for his reading comprehension.

Just like as you pointed out, the bible isn't known for any science, as you pointed out concerning the flat earth described in the OT.

Myths aren't known for their scientific contributions.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210797 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's quite telling how you've brought yourself down to Ben's level and delete damn near entire posts. Why bother responding if you're just gonna respond to two words of a post?!
Because I didn't care about the rest of the post, just the aspersion.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210798 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The link had three definitions of God as a father.
So what? They didn't establish that your god was Jesus' father in any proper sense of the word.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#210799 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Intellectual vacuum. You.
I think he's reached critical density.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#210800 Feb 4, 2014
Rider on the Storm wrote:
The states, ranked by there religiousity........
If anyones interested.
http://news.yahoo.com/most-religious-us-state...
I wanted to point this out.

Mississippi: 61 percent - are very religious
Utah: 60 percent -
Alabama: 57 percent -
Louisiana: 56 percent -
South Carolina: 54 percent -
Tennessee: 54 percent -
Georgia: 52 percent -
Arkansas: 51 percent -
North Carolina: 50 percent -
Oklahoma: 49 percent -
Kentucky: 49 percent -
http://news.yahoo.com/most-religious-us-state...

Nine of the above "most religious" states...









Were in the Confederacy.

1. South Carolina (December 20, 1860)[39]
2. Mississippi (January 9, 1861)[40]x
3. Florida (January 10)[41]
4. Alabama (January 11)[42]x
5. Georgia (January 19)[43]x
6. Louisiana (January 26)[44]x
7. Texas (February 1; referendum February 23)[45]
– Ft. Sumter (April 12) and Lincoln's call up (April 15)[46]–
8. Virginia (April 17; referendum May 23, 1861)[47]
9. Arkansas (May 6)[48]
10. Tennessee (May 7; referendum June 8)[49]
11. North Carolina (May 20)[50]
12. Kentucky (Never seceded, but included in the Confederacy)
13. Missouri (Never seceded, but included in the Confederacy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Stat...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210801 Feb 4, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
hahaa
Okay. Let's take a look.
<quoted text> I didn't say that.
<quoted text>I didn't say that either.
I have no doubt you think I did, but you aren't known for your reading comprehension.
Here's that post, in full.
<quoted text> That's what I said.
Try to wrap your head around it. Try to read what it says, not what you think it says or want it to mean.
Remember, it doesn't come from your bible, you don't get to try and interpret it to mean what you want it to mean because you need it to mean that.
<quoted text> You'd be mistaken if you think that.
<quoted text>
Do you mean like in the virgin birth/Mary!/Jesus! myth?
Yes. Thanks.

"Christians really like trying to tweak and massage the passages of the mythic OT to fit what they want it to mean, and especially so since modern science has blown many of the claims made in the "deity inspired holy tomes" out of the water."

"Until about 250 years ago, all Abrahamic faiths accepted the flood, the seven day creation etc..., as definitely real. Christians, too."

In other words, you're thanking advances in science for Christians changing their minds about the literal 24 hour day Creation about 250 years ago.

Even though it's been going on for thousands of years......

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210802 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
So what? They didn't establish that your god was Jesus' father in any proper sense of the word.
Push that rope, IANS....

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