Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Feb 2, 2014
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
What beliefs?
--you are not able to progress further than a Goddidit response--

--Without explanatory power, you don't have an explanation--

--One could claim that this universe was created as a result of a much nicer universe compressing all their garbage and pushing it out of their space time--

--That's more compelling than the creation myth the Bible puts forth--

Those beliefs.

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you for a while and see what intellectual revelations you bring to the conversation to get an idea?
Not sure I am seeing this intellectual dialogue you were posing...
It's about time for your name change, isn't it.

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“It is quite foolish to think that the world was created in the space of six days or in a space of time at all.”
-Philo,'On Allegory'
From the first century...
What's your point? That some people were already beginning to reject the creation myth as early as the first century? They obviously had reason to believe that the world wasn't made by magic, and that a naturalistic process would take longer than a week. That's an early example of rational skepticism, which has continued to chip away at scripture since.

My point is that you think that your more reasonable ideas come from the "clear" and "simple" words of the bible. They don't. They come from people using their heads and rejecting those words.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I don't think they notice. If you have been used to faith based thought all of your life, you probably wouldn't. You wouldn't be aware.
Rigorous thought is a skill developed deliberately over a protracted period through practice in structured environments like classrooms, where error is considered unacceptable.
You're a mathematician. You understand that one slip in any mathematical process you undertake, even adding a column of numbers, produces error. You become attuned to the need to do things according to strict protocols and with care if you want to be right.
Imagine if there were no such constraints imposed on you, and that any answer you generated was as good as any other. Would your thinking be conditioned the way it is?
Now suppose that you were rewarded for faith based adding, being commended for having your faith in your answers whatever they were. You would never learn to add accurately, nor even to consider doing so a virtue. Eventually, accurate addition becomes impossible, and you begin to resent those that challenge your methods.
This is the predicament that the faithful find themselves in.
True story.

I was in a pizza carry-out place and was fixing to pay for my order. The teenager behind the counter added up the check...and came out with the wrong answer...almost a dollar over what I owed. I said he should add it up again. He did, and came up with the same wrong answer. I then said, no, the sum was...

He then pulled out a calculator, got the number I had said, glared at me, and said "What are you? A math professor?"

Well...

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Feb 2, 2014
 
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I'm just going off of what Genesis says.
It says God said "Let there be light", and there was light (God *poofed* it).
It says God said "let dry ground appear", and there was dry ground (another *poof*).
It says "Let the earth produce vegetation" (no *poof*).
It says " “Let the earth produce living creatures" (again, no *poof*).
From a naturalistic and evolutionary standpoint, you believe all life came from the earth in one way or another.
The Bible agrees with you on that. Notice that Genesis doesn't say "God said, let there be animals", no. It says " “Let the earth produce living creatures..."
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"I can't read line two." -The Scar
Thanks.

So, you know when your god means "poof" or "no poof".

That sounds like classic Ar Ar.

<Ar Ar> " You see...it means what I need it to mean when I need it to mean what I need when I want it to mean what I need... sumthin sumthin circles..."

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What would you say is the "chief concern" of the Humanist?

That's a lovely sentiment.

When are y'all gonna get started?
We're waiting for your prayers to work.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God created the universe, so.... Yes, I'd that that had an effect on the universe.
I'm no Bible scholar. I don't mind admitting that. Where does the Bible say that God created the universe? I thought Genesis was talking about the Earth.

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What's your point? That some people were already beginning to reject the creation myth as early as the first century?
Reject?!? Who said anything about reject?

I accept the creation account.

Philo did too.

What are you talking about rejection for?

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Feb 2, 2014
 
scaritual wrote:
There's a maxim that goes something like this... "Be careful what you ask for" I'll venture to say that it's very likely that every culture that has ever lived upon the earth had or has a saying that said the same thing, regardless of the phrasing.
Hidingfromyou collected an amount of your racist comments, and they can be seen here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
Wow! Great work digging that up. Get ready for some back pedaling.
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Feb 2, 2014
 
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>It's about time for your name change, isn't it.
I've been watching you for a while to see what intellectual revelations you bring to the conversation to get an idea.

Was that it?
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>What's your point? That some people were already beginning to reject the creation myth as early as the first century? They obviously had reason to believe that the world wasn't made by magic, and that a naturalistic process would take longer than a week. That's an early example of rational skepticism, which has continued to chip away at scripture since.

My point is that you think that your more reasonable ideas come from the "clear" and "simple" words of the bible. They don't. They come from people using their heads and rejecting those words.
However, there are those that reject your magic mud theory right?

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My point is that you think that your more reasonable ideas come from the "clear" and "simple" words of the bible. They don't. They come from people using their heads and rejecting those words.
Back in the dinosaur's day, I bet the sky was a beautiful blue.

Oops. Now you're gonna think that I mean the dinosaurs existed for 24 hours....

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We say down for our evening meal and bowed put heads.

Uh-oh. Now you're gonna think that I ate precisely at sunset.....

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This morning, I had pancakes.

Oh no. Now you're gonna assume that I had pancakes precisely at sunrise.

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You see , even in English, "day", "evening" and "morning" have multiple meanings.

Open your eyes. Get out of the Creationist camp.

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We're waiting for your prayers to work.
I have personally helped clothe, educate, feed and provide medicine for thousands of Tanzanians.

You?

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River Tam wrote:
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I'm no Bible scholar. I don't mind admitting that. Where does the Bible say that God created the universe? I thought Genesis was talking about the Earth.
Genesis 1:14-18.

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It's a racist joke, nothing more.
Oprah DOES have black holes....
Or maybe purple, I don't know...
Racist jokes are racist.

Misogynist jokes are misogynist.

This was a BAD racist and misogynist joke.\

Which makes you both a racist and a misogynist.

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Feb 2, 2014
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No. You not lie and state that Humanists gave us a vaccine for polio.
So you see humanist and Jew as mutually exclusive categories, like competing religions? The two mutually exclusive categories are faith based thinking and evidence based thinking. That's the contest here: which has benefited mankind, which has made life longer, safer, more comfortable, and more convenient, and which has contributed wrong ideas and fostered tribalistic behavior.

The polio vaccine is a triumph of reason and evidence over faith, which would have you recognize polio as the god's righteous wrath which must be endured without complaint, or maybe to smear pigeon blood on yourself and pray. I don't care if Salk and Sabin were Jews. Science is the triumph of man over the elements. Humanism celebrates and serves humanity, not gods.

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Feb 2, 2014
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ok.
I understand your beliefs and won't knock you for them.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
--you are not able to progress further than a Goddidit response--
--Without explanatory power, you don't have an explanation--
--One could claim that this universe was created as a result of a much nicer universe compressing all their garbage and pushing it out of their space time--
--That's more compelling than the creation myth the Bible puts forth--
Those beliefs.
You considered knocking me for these beliefs?

But you won't?

I wonder why.

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Then you employed intellectual dishonesty.
We've talked a lot about homosexuality is a sin.
We've also added, with this new emphasis, BUT SO IS ANY EXTRAMARITAL SEX.
They are all equal sins in the eyes of God.
Sins are good. I especially like the extramarital homosexual sex sin. Thank you God.

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<quoted text>I know that you can't see any difference in believing in God or vampires and you purposefully ignore the large number of people that do.

I do not accept your challenge to show you the difference.

Keep your beliefs in unicorns and fairies and vampires for all I care.
You don't accept the challenge because you know there's no difference.

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Those beliefs have been around longer than you think.
Appealing to reformulated beliefs, made in response to logic and reason presented by others - outside of the Christian beliefs - that caused the forefathers of your religious beliefs to question their religious book, at that time doesn't help your point.

It just reinforces what was stated in my previous post.
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Philo believed the days in Genesis weren't 24 hour periods. He died about 15 years after Jesus.
Yeah,*see above*.
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I has been believed for a very long time.
You know what else Philo knew?
That he felt he needed to still yet speak out against atheists?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
People like you Topix Atheists! exist looong ago, too....
"For some men, admiring the world itself rather than the Creator of the world, have represented it as existing without any maker, and eternal; and as impiously as falsely have represented God as existing in a state of complete inactivity"
Yeah, were used to it.

Religion; The old ways, they die hard.

Religions and the adherents will come around, slowly, surely, and eventually, like they always do.

Just look at you.

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