Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#210206 Feb 2, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you are still ignorant on this topic.
I see that you still never offer a rebuttal that would support what you claim.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210207 Feb 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You wouldn't think that you could be informative about clear, simple words, would you? Clear, simple words don't need explaining.
Could somebody please explain how the earth brought forth creatures that were created in an act of magic on its surface and which bred on its surface? It seems that apologists pull out their magnifying glasses to work over certain words like "yom", but just gloss over others right beside them.
It's Genesis 1:24, dude. It's Biblical.

Then God said, "Let the earth produce every sort of animal, each producing offspring of the same kind--livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and wild animals." And it was so.

Aside from the God part, isn't that what you think happened too?

Camels have a gestation period of 14 months.

Elephants are 22 months.

Sharks can be up to 42 months of gestation.

None of that could've happened in 24 hours.

I know you've made camp with the Creationists, but you're both wrong.

Since: Jan 11

United States

#210208 Feb 2, 2014
Where exactly do you insert your creator deity in the process?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The "God said" part.
Did that have any effect on the universe?

What was the immediate before and after state surrounding this event?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210209 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God said: "Let the earth sprout vegetation..."
"Let the earth do it..."
"Let nature run it's course..."
A difficult concept for you, perhaps.
Difficult, yes, but not how you think. I'm having difficulty figuring out who you are quoting in the second and third sentences. I suspect that it's yourself.

I'm also confused about how you know when magic stops and naturalistic phenomena supervene. I suspect that it's whenever you need it to.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#210210 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol.
I just gave out statistics, like these:
I don't know what they gravitate to crime so much, but they DO.
I know that blacks are twice as likely to have a prison sentence than whites.
I know that blacks are more than twice as likely to have been in prison than in the military.
I know that over 10% of blacks in prison have a college degree.
Where's the white supremacy? Where do I make the claim that the white race is the supreme race?
In fact, where's the racism there?!
Go.
Your previous words and comments on this subject speak to your nature, more than your currently redacted attempts at saving face.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I am a racist, or at least I'll say that I have "racist tendencies". I'm also quite a bit of a misogynist.
But I'll also admit that racism is wrong, it's a character flaw that I have but I've been fighting as long as I can remember.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
At least you admitted it there, and recognized its a problem.

Instead of trying to front this mealy mouthed revision you currently hold.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#210211 Feb 2, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>I see that you still never offer a rebuttal that would support what you claim.
Well, it would help if you presented an argument to provide a rebuttal, but when the sole purpose is to demean and attack others for their views a rebuttal is kinda pointless, huh?
I have yet to present a position, but have had plenty of you accuse me of all kinds of views I do not have.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#210212 Feb 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
So do a large number of Christians. Ken Ham, for one. There are many that claim the Bible as literal truth, and when Genesis says "day" it means 24 hours.
Yeah, those are the "old school" Christians. They still exist in large numbers.

My Grandfather was one. He held that every single portion of the bible was literal truth. If "god" said it or inspired it to be written, that was it, end of story.

He scoffed at those that allowed science and knowledge modify his "god words".

That's what he called - the new Christianity - the "mark of the beast".

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#210213 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
On the very next page of that link you provided, I was again accused of racism.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Well, like I said I can't make it any clearer to you.
Maybe if I told you in Japan talk...
bing dong wang lim Ning wang wing bu bu
Lacez wrote:
And there you are being racist again.
---
But the person I posted that to got the joke:
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Hidingfromyou wrote:
kimi ha unko. sore dake. unko.
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Ain't my fault y'all ain't got no funny bones.
.. here ..

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Aura Mytha wrote: You think god is a black hole?
RiversideRedneck wrote: No, Oprah isn't a god.

.. you think Oprah is a black hole ??..

.. now, tell me that's not racist & misogynistic ..

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#210214 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol.
I just gave out statistics, like these:
I don't know what they gravitate to crime so much, but they DO.
I know that blacks are twice as likely to have a prison sentence than whites.
I know that blacks are more than twice as likely to have been in prison than in the military.
I know that over 10% of blacks in prison have a college degree.
Where's the white supremacy? Where do I make the claim that the white race is the supreme race?
In fact, where's the racism there?!
Go.
Do you ever catch yourself humming or whistling this song? Mia just stares at me. I'm like, "What?"

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#210215 Feb 2, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
As much as you guys like to wear women's clothes on the weekend?
.. you made an error ..

.. it should be OTHER women's clothes ..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210216 Feb 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
So many of these people have the worldview that the truth is what they wish it to be. They wouldn't put it that way, but it is the way it works out.
I don't think they notice. If you have been used to faith based thought all of your life, you probably wouldn't. You wouldn't be aware.

Rigorous thought is a skill developed deliberately over a protracted period through practice in structured environments like classrooms, where error is considered unacceptable.

You're a mathematician. You understand that one slip in any mathematical process you undertake, even adding a column of numbers, produces error. You become attuned to the need to do things according to strict protocols and with care if you want to be right.

Imagine if there were no such constraints imposed on you, and that any answer you generated was as good as any other. Would your thinking be conditioned the way it is?

Now suppose that you were rewarded for faith based adding, being commended for having your faith in your answers whatever they were. You would never learn to add accurately, nor even to consider doing so a virtue. Eventually, accurate addition becomes impossible, and you begin to resent those that challenge your methods.

This is the predicament that the faithful find themselves in.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210217 Feb 2, 2014
scaritual wrote:
At least you try to reformulate your beliefs based upon actual information that wasn't available - when the bible was inspired by god - so your belief won't seem quite so outlandish.
It's too bad your deity decided to leave that type of information out of its "guide book"~/.
Wrong. To say that I've reformulated my beliefs is to imply that I once believed something different.

I have never believed that the Creation days in Genesis were 144 hours.

The information is there in Genesis to say they were not 6, 24 hour days.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210218 Feb 2, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
Did that have any effect on the universe?
What was the immediate before and after state surrounding this event?
God created the universe, so.... Yes, I'd that that had an effect on the universe.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210219 Feb 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Difficult, yes, but not how you think. I'm having difficulty figuring out who you are quoting in the second and third sentences. I suspect that it's yourself.
I'm also confused about how you know when magic stops and naturalistic phenomena supervene. I suspect that it's whenever you need it to.
I'm just going off of what Genesis says.

It says God said "Let there be light", and there was light (God *poofed* it).

It says God said "let dry ground appear", and there was dry ground (another *poof*).

It says "Let the earth produce vegetation" (no *poof*).

It says " “Let the earth produce living creatures" (again, no *poof*).

From a naturalistic and evolutionary standpoint, you believe all life came from the earth in one way or another.

The Bible agrees with you on that. Notice that Genesis doesn't say "God said, let there be animals", no. It says " “Let the earth produce living creatures..."

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210220 Feb 2, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Your previous words and comments on this subject speak to your nature, more than your currently redacted attempts at saving face.
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
At least you admitted it there, and recognized its a problem.
Instead of trying to front this mealy mouthed revision you currently hold.
Ya, great.

Where's the supremacy?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#210221 Feb 2, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>.. you made an error ..

.. it should be OTHER women's clothes ..
Sorry, my bad. See what happens when I try comedy???
Was just trying to involve myself in conversation.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210222 Feb 2, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. here ..
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Aura Mytha wrote: You think god is a black hole?
RiversideRedneck wrote: No, Oprah isn't a god.
.. you think Oprah is a black hole ??..
.. now, tell me that's not racist & misogynistic ..
It's a racist joke, nothing more.

Oprah DOES have black holes....

Or maybe purple, I don't know...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210223 Feb 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
"Don't harm others" is an axiom upon which further ideas are developed. What mtimber doesn't realize, and probably doesn't even know, is that axioms are agreed upon, but are never proved. They are at the very base of the tower of logic. There is nothing to prove them with. Apparently mtimber doesn't think "don't harm others" is a good starting point for morality. This is why I consider him to be morally bankrupt.
That's not a foundational concept in Christian ethics. Submission to whatever one thinks is the will of the deity is.

If one can be convinced that what you or I would consider harmful is the will of the deity, that becomes a moral truth. Thus, there is little interest in whatever harm homophobic doctrine, for example, does to people. All one needs to know is that the deity considers it an abomination, and submit to that standard.

How much interest did you see in what is being done to gay people during the recent discussion of the topic in this thread? I saw none, just a continual reassertion that homosexuality is a sin. That was the entire ethical analysis. "Do no harm," your bedrock ethical virtue, never entered into their ethical calculus.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210224 Feb 2, 2014
River Tam wrote:
Do you ever catch yourself humming or whistling this song? Mia just stares at me. I'm like, "What?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0EpYEM6KfjIXX
I, um......

*blushes*

...downloaded it. It's on my itunes library.

*draws a circle in the dirt with his toes*

....so is "Randy Dandy O"...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210225 Feb 2, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. you made an error ..
.. it should be OTHER women's clothes ..
I think it's sexy when Mrs RR wears one of my button-down shirts....

....and nothing else

....and unbuttoned

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