Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#209627 Feb 1, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>Please show where I appealed to an absolute standard? You see absolutes where none are.
You have made it clear that child molestation is not absolutely wrong, so with that in mind I assume you do not consider lying to be wrong.

That being the case, how can I trust you are telling me the truth.

Your moral relativism defeats your own argument.

You refute yourself.

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#209628 Feb 1, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>I will point out that while I might think they were morally wrong, THEY think that they are morally right. How is my position then a moral absolute if others can come to a different decision?
So child molestation is ok in your worldview?

It is merely a matter of preference?

“I see quantum effects”

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#209629 Feb 1, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>RiversideRedneck wrote, "
Christianity strives to bring everyone together.
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RiversideRedneck wrote, "
Christianity teaches many useful things. "

LOL.
Good answer.:)

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#209630 Feb 1, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
We don't blame blame dusty bowels on a god.
It's just another god of the gaps, which are well represented in the annals of history. Believers will wedge their deities into the tightest of cracks when they can't find gaping holes.

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#209631 Feb 1, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>Again, what absolute moral standards of humanity?

In much of Africa, they consider it moral to burn people accused of witchcraft.

I Saudi Arabia they consider it moral to behead someone accused of sorcery.

In the West, we consider both of these actions to be immoral (at least most of us do).

So where is the moral absolute?
Moral absolutes can only be derived from an absolutely moral source.

God Himself has revealed that to us both internally through the Holy Spirit and evidentially and empirically through the interactions of Jesus Christ, the Son Of God as recorded in the historical and inspired record known as the Bible.

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#209632 Feb 1, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Your misstated version of my position is funny.

From what I've observed, that's really the extent of your interaction.
So you don't think humanity is capable of creating life then?

But you believe a rock can.

You might want to spell out what you consider acceptable sources for abiogenesis?

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#209633 Feb 1, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Your personal "god" has a name, just like the thousands of other gods with names, what is your gods name? I have three gods I worship, reason, logic and skepticism.
You mean "self"?

“I see quantum effects”

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#209634 Feb 1, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>This may indeed be the most idiotic statement ever.

Without science you would have:

1.) No vaccines against a myriad of deadly diseases, your children would most likely be dead right now

2.) No clean water and sanitation, or course that would mean even more unbridled diseases.

3.) No abundant food, with the world population as it is, thought without medicine the number would be down considerably, food would be scarce and the quality very poor, not much nutrition means more diseases and child deaths.

4.) Life expectancy would be down considerably as it was prior to the scientific advancements in medicine, maybe 30 or 40, I suspect you'd be long dead by now.

5) No world wide communication or information gathering, you'd be living in a vacuum.

6.) No world wide transportation, television, telephone, cars, bikes, air conditioning, heating systems, including stoves, guns,( a good thing, but would be nice for hunting for yer possums) axes, knives, other than those you fashion out of stone, hammer, nails, screws, screw drivers, or any other tools other than those from wood or stone.

In effect you'd now be living like an early cave dweller without science. Since you religious beliefs have advanced about as far as ancient cave dwellers, this might appeal to you.
He wouldn't even be to the level of living in a cave.

Science, in a most basic way, showed cave dwellers that shelter made survival more likely.

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#209635 Feb 1, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>.. let us toast to joys of sin ..

.. good food, fine wine and Major sex this weekend ..
Toasting selfishness?

“I see quantum effects”

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#209636 Feb 1, 2014
ol pa wrote:
Old pa here. This is just a bunch of blabbering. Do the best you can for each other and it'll all work out.
Sage advice.

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#209637 Feb 1, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>This response proves that no matter what the reality, you will see only that which you want to see, no matter how much you have to twist that reality.
Offer an alternative.

If absolute morality does not exist, then how can child molestation be absolutely wrong?

Child molestation is absolutely wrong, therefore absolute morality exists.

Tell me, which of the above do you hold to be true?

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#209638 Feb 1, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>What sin?

I lost a job I had for 29 years because of a small group of Christians who bore false witness against me.

My guess is they don't believe in god or jesus any more than I do.
How does Christians behaving in a way that is condemned by Christianity prove God does not exist?

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#209639 Feb 1, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>.

When science is successful in demonstrating abiogenesis, it will not be humans creating life, but science reproducing a purely naturalistic event.
That is a lot of faith you have displayed there.

You seem very religious...

“I see quantum effects”

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#209640 Feb 1, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>A moral standard like?

No murdering, stealing, lying, cheating, beating, abusing, larceny, armed robbery, arson, false accusing, treason, bigotry, kidnapping, official oppression, crimes against children, crimes against the elderly?

“Why you feel "absolute moral standards" are necessary?”

Just have extended stay in Syria, Sudan, and Yemen

As far as your question about Saudi Arabia. You’ll need to address that question to the Saudi’s. Be sure to go over there and ask them personally.

So where is the moral absolutes? Obviously not in some countries.
You realize that all of the above moral standards you mentioned above are, in numerous instances, condoned, or even commanded, by the very god that you claim is the source of your so-called absolute moral standards.

Of course you do.

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#209641 Feb 1, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of stupid jerk off are you? He has never NEVER never condoned anyone harming a child or anyone, nor would I. You do not have to have a so called biblical god to be a decent human being. It sounds like you are the one who would hurt anyone if someone higher than you said that your god wanted you to harm them, and you would do so without one qualm. I bet you just loved Jim Jones didn't you? God talked to him all the time.
So you are stating child molestation is absolutely wrong, I assume you are an atheist, that being the case, upon what absolute moral standard are you making this claim?

“I see quantum effects”

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#209642 Feb 1, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>Science is mans quest for knowledge and that’s a good thing. But speculating as in some sciences is not really science but meandering thoughts. And that’s where I have a problem with science.
It was those meandering thoughts of people like Einstein that lead to much of our current understanding of the universe.

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#209643 Feb 1, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Love to put words in people mouths do ya! Show me where I said "conclusive evidence." That science has been able to create the building blocks for life from NON-LIVING material, is evidence that potentially life may well spring from a similar process. And now the evidence you have for ID? Anything from the naturalistic realm as I have?........Nothing?......... not a single thing?.........A being for which there is no evidence, scooping up some dirt and blowing on it and magically a fully formed human male appears? Is that all you have bucko?.yeah I thought so.
You consider a planned and guided process that formed certain types of acid and a hostile environment to life to be evidence of abiogenesis?

“I see quantum effects”

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#209644 Feb 1, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
California is in serious trouble with lakes drying up and a shortage of water.

But that’s not what’s important. What’s important is they allow Gay Marriage in that growing dust bowel.

You Atheist don't believe in God so you can't blame it on God.
So drought is not important, but allowing people who love each other to marry is.

Ok.

That's reasonable.

NOT!

“I see quantum effects”

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#209645 Feb 1, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You must have short term memory loss, i have explained this to you a number of times.......sigh.....I saw exactly the same thing here in Boston a few years ago. It had been snowing and then it turned to rain, it was pouring out. I was walking on the sidewalk and there in front of me were two perfectly dry circles about six feet in diameter. I thought it strange but didn't give it more thought ads i was on my way to an important appointment. Hours later walking back I saw it again, same dry spots, and still pouring out. I stopped at a deli for a coffee just to get out of the rain. Not long after that the DPW truck stopped outside. I walked out and asked what those dry spots were, I found out there were leaking in the steam pipes that ran under the sidewalk, thats what was causing the dry spots.

With thousands of children starving to death everyday, and more children dying from childhood cancers, do you really think God would ignore these children, which he apparently does, and take the time to make some dry spots on a sidewalk?.......Really?
God has some really messed up priorities.

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#209646 Feb 1, 2014
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>Define what you mean by "absolute moral standards".

Explain why you feel "absolute moral standards" are necessary.

Give 5 examples of these "absolute moral standards".

Explain why only Christianity can account for these alleged "absolute moral standards."

Because, honestly, you're being absolutely tedious.
Try the 10 Commandments.

That God revealed in person.

Which is also displayed as a living reality in the life of Jesus Christ.

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