To all of you who are against abortion

To all of you who are against abortion

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“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#1 Sep 3, 2007
After talking abortion with a lot of anti abortionists I can't avoid noticing that most of you only seem to care about the fetus/baby as long as it is inside of the woman. If this was not only about passing judgement on women I would imagine that your real concern about the suffering of the innocent would shine through. But no. I've only seen a handfull here who genuinely seem to care, most of you seem totally oblivious to what happens with the children outside the womb.
So I'm giving you a chance to prove me wrong. What do you do for all the millions of suffering children around the world? Do you adopt? Do you donate money or time to make these childrens lives better?

Here's the organization I donate money to every month:

http://www.manniskohjalp.se/en/

“Cats are angels in furry coats”

Since: May 07

In memory of my Sophia

#2 Sep 3, 2007
Very good Tove! I've ranted several times about how it would be far more beneficial to take care of the live children that are suffering NOW. Rather than worry about what some woman they'll never meet and never know about, take care of the children that are neglected, abused, starving and need love NOW, TODAY!

What good does typing about "pro-life" on a forum do compared to rocking crack babies? Opening your home to a foster child of a different ethnicity or culture? Donating your time and resources to a battered women's shelter or to a runaway house for teenagers? It it so much more satisfying! And you SEE the good your efforts do! You feel it in your arms, immediately!

Stop worrying what people do in bed! Take care of live children NOW!

“Obama and his babies mama”

Since: Aug 07

Glencoe, IL

#3 Sep 3, 2007
A good answer to the question

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/q-life0...

There are literally thousands of Christian ministries throughout the US and the world not only there to share the gospel, but to aid those in need. Christian ministries in Dafur are being put to death for their faith while they strive to help those starving because of the government induced famine in that country. Look at Mother Theresa's organization in India. What of the hospitals in the US, many began by catholic institutions.
Baptist Childrens homes throughout the US have long cared for unwed mothers, helped them to continue schooling and if they wanted adopt their child or give them instruction on motherhood.
These organizations don't come about by chance. Men and women started these and have been supported by Christians for many years.
Many Christian doctors have given of their time and talents to do temporary missions trips to aid in countries where there are few doctors.
Through our tithes and offerings my wife and I have helped to support these causes, have donated to groups that reach out to these individuals.
I would not doubt that far more of this is being done in the name of Christ than by secular organizations, again, my opinion.

“Justice Kennedy is a pos!”

Since: Aug 07

Danbury, CT

#4 Sep 3, 2007
Tove wrote:
After talking abortion with a lot of anti abortionists I can't avoid noticing that most of you only seem to care about the fetus/baby as long as it is inside of the woman. If this was not only about passing judgement on women I would imagine that your real concern about the suffering of the innocent would shine through. But no. I've only seen a handfull here who genuinely seem to care, most of you seem totally oblivious to what happens with the children outside the womb.
So I'm giving you a chance to prove me wrong. What do you do for all the millions of suffering children around the world? Do you adopt? Do you donate money or time to make these childrens lives better?
Here's the organization I donate money to every month:
http://www.manniskohjalp.se/en/
Of course we care about the child, it's only in the womb when they are in, by far, the most danger. Once outside the womb there are foster families, state services and adoptive families to do the job more effectively than I could. But there are pregnancy crisis centers which provide classes on child care and even money for groceries and diapers if the women will keep their babies.

“Justice Kennedy is a pos!”

Since: Aug 07

Danbury, CT

#5 Sep 3, 2007
Mama-san wrote:
Very good Tove! I've ranted several times about how it would be far more beneficial to take care of the live children that are suffering NOW. Rather than worry about what some woman they'll never meet and never know about, take care of the children that are neglected, abused, starving and need love NOW, TODAY!
What good does typing about "pro-life" on a forum do compared to rocking crack babies? Opening your home to a foster child of a different ethnicity or culture? Donating your time and resources to a battered women's shelter or to a runaway house for teenagers? It it so much more satisfying! And you SEE the good your efforts do! You feel it in your arms, immediately!
Stop worrying what people do in bed! Take care of live children NOW!
'Ad hominim' is changing the subject to avoid the questions to which you have no answers. That is what you are doing.
Since they are all children they all have equal value, they all deserve to live.

“Justice Kennedy is a pos!”

Since: Aug 07

Danbury, CT

#6 Sep 3, 2007
Also I don't give a damn what you do with a willing, adult partner. I'm no angel myself. The point is what you do with the baby that may come from it.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#8 Sep 3, 2007
Meir Kahane was right wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course we care about the child, it's only in the womb when they are in, by far, the most danger. Once outside the womb there are foster families, state services and adoptive families to do the job more effectively than I could. But there are pregnancy crisis centers which provide classes on child care and even money for groceries and diapers if the women will keep their babies.
They are in the most danger when in the womb? Are you serious? What about the children that are born into war zones in third world countries? That's not more dangerous than being in the womb? Okay, if you say so...

Either way, I believe the original question was what do YOU do, out of your own pocket? Once you get a woman to not have an abortion, do you do anything to help her on her way, or do you just refer her to state agencies and feel you did enough? Do you help her pick out a proper OB/GYN for her pregnancy, a good pediatrician for her child? Do you offer to fix her meals when she is violently ill in the first couple of months? Do you provide nutrition plans, and help her shop for those groceries? Do you take her back and forth to the doctor because she has no car? Do you rock the hundreds if not thousands of babies that are born drug addicts? Do you help those drug addicted women get clean and stay clean? Do you change a diaper, or feed a baby? Anything?

Or do you sit back and rant and rave about how abortion is wrong, in the same breath as judging single mothers? Do you prefer to keep your extra room as an office rather than convert it to a bedroom and offer a foster child a home? Do you just drive by the single mother who is walking down the street with her toddler rather than offer a ride when it is raining or hot outside? Do you sit in judgement of mothers who don't know how to raise children right, because someone convinced them not to have an abortion, but they didn't know a thing about what kind of work was involved in raising that child? I think these are the types of questions that were asked. And I think they are valid questions.

I agree with Tove. So many here are trying to preach how wrong abortion is and how its so horrible. But what are they doing about it? Are they opening their eyes and seeing the problems of the world or are they keeping their heads buried in the sand hoping someone else will sort it out?

“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#9 Sep 3, 2007
Mama-san wrote:
Very good Tove! I've ranted several times about how it would be far more beneficial to take care of the live children that are suffering NOW. Rather than worry about what some woman they'll never meet and never know about, take care of the children that are neglected, abused, starving and need love NOW, TODAY!
What good does typing about "pro-life" on a forum do compared to rocking crack babies? Opening your home to a foster child of a different ethnicity or culture? Donating your time and resources to a battered women's shelter or to a runaway house for teenagers? It it so much more satisfying! And you SEE the good your efforts do! You feel it in your arms, immediately!
Stop worrying what people do in bed! Take care of live children NOW!
The reason I brought this up is because the abortion discussion on topix now is so different from when I first started off on topix. Even if I didn't agree with everything they had to say I respected their opinion because they genuinely seemed to care. I haven't read all the posts now so there might be some exceptions, but it seems like those people who are arguing against abortion here on topix now are more interested in judging people than anything else.
The people who were against abortion arguing for their sake here back then actually told those who came on here with a judgemental attitude that they were doing their cause more harm than good.
The debate has turned quite ugly since then and those who are anti-abortion here now just don't really seem to care about what happens to all these babies who are already born into this world.

“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#10 Sep 3, 2007
a little inconvenience wrote:
A good answer to the question
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/q-life0...
There are literally thousands of Christian ministries throughout the US and the world not only there to share the gospel, but to aid those in need. Christian ministries in Dafur are being put to death for their faith while they strive to help those starving because of the government induced famine in that country. Look at Mother Theresa's organization in India. What of the hospitals in the US, many began by catholic institutions.
Baptist Childrens homes throughout the US have long cared for unwed mothers, helped them to continue schooling and if they wanted adopt their child or give them instruction on motherhood.
These organizations don't come about by chance. Men and women started these and have been supported by Christians for many years.
Many Christian doctors have given of their time and talents to do temporary missions trips to aid in countries where there are few doctors.
Through our tithes and offerings my wife and I have helped to support these causes, have donated to groups that reach out to these individuals.
I would not doubt that far more of this is being done in the name of Christ than by secular organizations, again, my opinion.
First, this is about abortion and not religion.
But I do appriciate your input, it makes it all so much more credible when you show that you also care about what happens after the children are born. Keep up the good work!

“Obama and his babies mama”

Since: Aug 07

Glencoe, IL

#11 Sep 3, 2007
Tove, first thanks.
But you must realize that even though the topic is abortion, that the core belief of the sanctity of life is one that is derived from the faith of many pro-life advocates and because of that it is nearly impossible to separate. It is also from their faith that the charity has blossomed. May God bless

“a smile for my friends”

Since: Jul 07

rochester, n. y.

#12 Sep 3, 2007
the U.S constitusion was ammended to give women the right to get an abortion. the problem with these threads is that the majority of the posters are to young to rember all the back ally abortions and coat hanger surgeries of the 60s and before.

“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#13 Sep 3, 2007
Meir Kahane was right wrote:
Also I don't give a damn what you do with a willing, adult partner. I'm no angel myself. The point is what you do with the baby that may come from it.
I've read quite a lot of posts here with the totally out of touch with reality solution of abstinence. Or the judgemental statement of "keep your legs closed" (conveniently forgetting about the "zip up your pants" part of it). You might not care about it, but there are plenty of other anti abortionists who seem to be a bit too interested in moralizing over what people do in their bedrooms.
Lyndi

Boca Raton, FL

#14 Sep 3, 2007
Tove wrote:
<quoted text>
First, this is about abortion and not religion.
But I do appriciate your input, it makes it all so much more credible when you show that you also care about what happens after the children are born. Keep up the good work!
Tove-You're terrific!

Sweden rocks if it has people like you speaking out!

America loves you! Keep posting your thoughts.

“Obama and his babies mama”

Since: Aug 07

Glencoe, IL

#15 Sep 3, 2007
georgeply77 wrote:
the U.S constitusion was ammended to give women the right to get an abortion. the problem with these threads is that the majority of the posters are to young to rember all the back ally abortions and coat hanger surgeries of the 60s and before.
Okay, just so you know the US Constitution was not amended to give women the right to abortion. An activist court (actually just 5 justices) read into the constitution a right to privacy and granted abortion to women based on that assumed right. Had it been an actual amendment to the constitution then it would have had to have gone to the 50 state legislatures of which 2/3 would have had to approve of it. This was not done, thus no amendment.

“Cats are angels in furry coats”

Since: May 07

In memory of my Sophia

#16 Sep 3, 2007
Meir Kahane was right wrote:
<quoted text>
'Ad hominim' is changing the subject to avoid the questions to which you have no answers. That is what you are doing.
Since they are all children they all have equal value, they all deserve to live.
Thank you for your opinion. I'll file it away.

“a smile for my friends”

Since: Jul 07

rochester, n. y.

#17 Sep 3, 2007
a little inconvenience wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, just so you know the US Constitution was not amended to give women the right to abortion. An activist court (actually just 5 justices) read into the constitution a right to privacy and granted abortion to women based on that assumed right. Had it been an actual amendment to the constitution then it would have had to have gone to the 50 state legislatures of which 2/3 would have had to approve of it. This was not done, thus no amendment.
ok i stand corrected on that point. i thought roe vs wade changed all that. the rest of my post stands as it is though. i remember the sixties and early seventies. and i remember women dying from hemorages and infections becouse there was no place for them to get a legal abortion. at least not in this country. thanks for setting me straight on the law stuff though...george

“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#18 Sep 3, 2007
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Tove-You're terrific!
Sweden rocks if it has people like you speaking out!
America loves you! Keep posting your thoughts.
Hi there Lyndi :) Thanx! And same to you! I haven't been posting much in the abortion threads lately but I do go there to have a read every now and again, and I really enjoy reading yours and Mama-san's posts!

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#19 Sep 3, 2007
No More Guilt wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly and well written.Some just do not value life.Maybe they need to lose a child to realize how precious life is.I would hope not.But it may change their views.Although some would still not admit it.<CHOOSE LIFE NOT DEATH>
So now you're wishing death on children so that you might convert people to your way of thinking.

Words fail me.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#20 Sep 3, 2007
Meir Kahane was right wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course we care about the child, it's only in the womb when they are in, by far, the most danger. Once outside the womb there are foster families, state services and adoptive families to do the job more effectively than I could. But there are pregnancy crisis centers which provide classes on child care and even money for groceries and diapers if the women will keep their babies.
Tell that to the 42 million children who die of starvation every year.
texan

Clayton, OK

#21 Sep 3, 2007
I think all women and men should be sterilized at the age of ten.
that way they can play around all they want.

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