Does god exist?

Does god exist?

Created by Alexander of Earth on Jul 7, 2012

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Sharkey

Reno, NV

#615 Aug 5, 2012
Alexander of Earth wrote:
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Extincting the human race, or at least most of it, is exactly what i'm trying to do. You see, since H. Sapiens became humans, thousands of species of plants, animals and fungi became extinct. I need to save this planet. Ooooops, just had all my evil plans blurted out...Ummm...Ummm...The god topics are for discussion they're not putting humanity in the danger of extinction. Why such nonesence?
Why is such nonsense coming from you?
This "discussion" (more like an endless argument leading nowhere) IS putting humanity in danger of extincting itself. There are 7+ billion humans all fighting each other for supremacy about who's right about god, plus nukes and biological weapons in the mix.
This "discussion" will lead to our death, and what good would "god" be then?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#616 Aug 5, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Why is such nonsense coming from you?
This "discussion" (more like an endless argument leading nowhere) IS putting humanity in danger of extincting itself. There are 7+ billion humans all fighting each other for supremacy about who's right about god, plus nukes and biological weapons in the mix.
This "discussion" will lead to our death, and what good would "god" be then?
It appears this god(the abrahamic one) was of little use in the beginnings of judaism-is of little use now- and will be usless in the future..excepting the promotion of fear and war amoung it's subjugates, and the many sects thereof.
Simple Simon

Lansing, IL

#617 Aug 6, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>"Fence?" Why the need to "be on whatever side of a fence?" THAT's our problem, right here, the whole "us vs them" crap. "The fence" is an unneccesary dividing line that causes pointless fights. Burn that fence down, it's just in the way!
The only "fence" we have is the one we imagine in our own heads. Humans pitted aginst each other on both sides of "the fence" is not productive or good for our species.
"The afterlife" is no good to the actual living right now. Let's concentrate on the reality of the here and now instead of the mythical "after". It's the same for "the soul". We're in suffering bodies NOW, right here on earth, so let's stay focused on THAT, because when we die, we are no longer able to take any actions that could be helpful. Dead people usually aren't the most heipful, you know, them being dead and all.
As for us being "the most primitive", primitive compared to what? There are no other planets with living creatures anywhere near us. Not in our solar system, perhaps there is somwhere in the vast Milky Way galaxy, so we haven't met these beings yet so there's nothing to compare us to. And again, comparison to others, even extraterrestials, is doing us no good - it's time-wasting wheel-spinning. Let's stop spinning our wheels deeper into the rut and face our realities and make the choice to make our reality better.
You said.....
The afterlife" is no good to the actual living right now

How you live your life will be 'your' testimony to God.
There's nothing to forgive...but everything to pay. Your afterlife follows....... accordingly.

If only everyone would believe this......The World would be a better place.

Even if I'm wrong.......What harm is done?

btw
We are 'primitive' for the simple fact that we kill...

Would the World be perfect without humans?

sorry Ladies.lol

“This planet is”

Since: Jun 12

wonderfull

#618 Aug 7, 2012
If we stop destroying life, then maybe the world COULD be perfect even with humans. But, currently, the world can only be naturally perfect WITHOUT humans. WE ARE EVOLUTION"S MISTAKE...but evolution doesn't make mistakes...evolution is not a mind...we are not a mistake...rather an accident...

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#619 Aug 7, 2012
Alexander of Earth wrote:
If we stop destroying life, then maybe the world COULD be perfect even with humans. But, currently, the world can only be naturally perfect WITHOUT humans. WE ARE EVOLUTION"S MISTAKE...but evolution doesn't make mistakes...evolution is not a mind...we are not a mistake...rather an accident...
The problem is not with evolution, it's with abrahamic religion.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#620 Aug 7, 2012
Alexander of Earth wrote:
If we stop destroying life, then maybe the world COULD be perfect even with humans. But, currently, the world can only be naturally perfect WITHOUT humans. WE ARE EVOLUTION"S MISTAKE...but evolution doesn't make mistakes...evolution is not a mind...we are not a mistake...rather an accident...
What a load of crap.Humans are a part of nature period. Your misguided worship of the "perfection" of a world without humans is childlike in its absurdity.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#621 Aug 7, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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The problem is not with evolution, it's with abrahamic religion.
It don't take a "rocket scientist" ta figger that out sister.
Sharkey

Reno, NV

#622 Aug 8, 2012
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>What a load of crap.Humans are a part of nature period. Your misguided worship of the "perfection" of a world without humans is childlike in its absurdity.
Not as absurd - and childlike - as humans fighting themselves to death over which god is the right god, therefore ruining said world until there are no humans left because they've self-extincted over, basically, billsh!t they made up in their own heads.
Why do you think there are so many "gods" and each set of believers think that only their god is right?
It's a setup for conflict that leads nowhere but death on all sides, like 0-0=0.
Sharkey

Reno, NV

#623 Aug 8, 2012
Simple Simon wrote:
<quoted text>You said.....
The afterlife" is no good to the actual living right now
How you live your life will be 'your' testimony to God.
There's nothing to forgive...but everything to pay. Your afterlife follows....... accordingly.
If only everyone would believe this......The World would be a better place.
Even if I'm wrong.......What harm is done?
btw
We are 'primitive' for the simple fact that we kill...
Would the World be perfect without humans?
sorry Ladies.lol
Here's where you screwed up: by saying "if only everyone would believe this...the world would be a better place!"
It's impossible for humans to believe the same thing, so it's probably impossible for the world to become a better place.
"If I am wrong..what harm is done?"
Ohh, plenty of harm. When people realize they've been outright decieved, they get pretty [email protected] mad.
"Would the world be perfect without humans?"
Probably, since we humans are the only species that is stupid enough to f*ck things up on purpose and make up bullsh!t to go to nuclear war over. Some of what we humans are fighting each other to death over is truly bullsh!t. Sad that we're bringing our own world to an end over such bullsh!t.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#624 Aug 8, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Not as absurd - and childlike - as humans fighting themselves to death over which god is the right god, therefore ruining said world until there are no humans left because they've self-extincted over, basically, billsh!t they made up in their own heads.
Why do you think there are so many "gods" and each set of believers think that only their god is right?
It's a setup for conflict that leads nowhere but death on all sides, like 0-0=0.
Thats an entirely different subject than i was commenting on.

“"Look deep into my eye"”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#625 Aug 8, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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The problem is not with evolution, it's with abrahamic religion.
Hi Kaitlin,
Hope you're well and the dogs are good. Haven't been on in awhile.
We went to the lake,we have a lake house that we co-op w/ another couple, we took the dogs and they loved it...romping around. The Pit nor the old Chow like water, we can coax them near it, but they are not water dogs, for sure!

I think (opinion) that it's not so much Religion that's the problem, but how some 'so called' Christians are...some come off
as so self righteous and arrogant, and maybe it's not intended, but they still seem that way, even to me. I have a hard time with some. The ones who are just so "pure" in their own minds, and so judgemental of others. As you know, I am a Christian...maybe not a "good enough" one, but claim it just as well.

Long ago, I stopped feeling that everyone had to think like me, or
that I had all the answers. And that some people I respected most, would also be the ones who could hurt me most, in the guise of "religion". I believe we have evolved, and will continue to evolve
in stature alone people are so much taller than they were less than a 100 yrs. ago. But, I do believe in a Creator, I know we have a soul and will live on after death, and I do believe in the God of the Bible.

However, I respect others views. It's the radical views I object to, and it's the radicals who I feel have given religion and God a bad name. I think we take who we are, and what we are with us, no
matter what we do, choices we make, religion we have or don't have ,
and I think we all feel the way we do for a reason...be it good or bad. Anyway~ wanted to say, Hi, and I hope you have a good day, and I know that anyone who loves animals, their parents and this Country is a good person!(;

“This planet is”

Since: Jun 12

wonderfull

#626 Aug 8, 2012
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>What a load of crap.Humans are a part of nature period. Your misguided worship of the "perfection" of a world without humans is childlike in its absurdity.
Naturally PERFECT. Note the first word. Natural perfection. Where Adaptation, variation, speciation, mutation, Heredity, gene flow and exttinction take place. Humans are destroying the biosphere. If u decide to be ignorant as Earth dies because of us, it's ur stup!d choice...We either need to change our ways, or go extinct...our choice...yours aswell...

“This planet is”

Since: Jun 12

wonderfull

#627 Aug 8, 2012
More recently, evidence for common descent has come from the study of biochemical similarities between organisms. For example, all living cells use the same basic set of nucleotides and amino acids. The development of molecular genetics has revealed the record of evolution left in organisms' genomes: dating when species diverged through the molecular clock produced by mutations. For example, these DNA sequence comparisons have revealed that humans and chimpanzees share 96% of their genomes and analyzing the few areas where they differ helps shed light on when the common ancestor of these species existed.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#629 Aug 8, 2012
mimi57 wrote:
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Hi Kaitlin,
Hope you're well and the dogs are good.
Marlowe's well; thanks for asking.
mimi57 wrote:
<quoted text>I think (opinion) that it's not so much Religion that's the problem, but how some 'so called' Christians are...some come off
as so self righteous and arrogant, and maybe it's not intended, but they still seem that way, even to me. I have a hard time with some. The ones who are just so "pure" in their own minds, and so judgemental of others. As you know, I am a Christian...maybe not a "good enough" one, but claim it just as well.
Those who actually work at being a good christians deserve respect; those who take it for granted, however, do not. You mentioned them above; the "we're not perfect, just forgiven" crowd that believes self-improvement isn't necessary since they're "forgiven."

You've seen them on the threads here.
mimi57 wrote:
<quoted text>.... I believe we have evolved, and will continue to evolve
in stature alone people are so much taller than they were less than a 100 yrs. ago. But, I do believe in a Creator, I know we have a soul and will live on after death, and I do believe in the God of the Bible.
There's no doubt in my mind that the soul exists. I cannot believe in the god of the bible, however, because the whole concept of eternal damnation for not believing just doesn't make sense. What purpose does it serve? What is learned?
mimi57 wrote:
<quoted text>....I think we take who we are, and what we are with us, no
matter what we do, choices we make, religion we have or don't have ,
and I think we all feel the way we do for a reason...be it good or bad.
Same here. To have an entire lifetime's worth of accumulated knowledge, education and experience just disappear into nothingness seems to me like such a waste. Energy animates us, after all, and we all know that energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed--only their form altered.
mimi57 wrote:
<quoted text> Anyway~ wanted to say, Hi, and I hope you have a good day, and I know that anyone who loves animals, their parents and this Country is a good person!(;
*Thank you,* sweetie; same to you!!

Semper Fi!

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#630 Aug 8, 2012
mimi57 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Kaitlin,
Hope you're well and the dogs are good. Haven't been on in awhile.
We went to the lake,we have a lake house that we co-op w/ another couple, we took the dogs and they loved it...romping around. The Pit nor the old Chow like water, we can coax them near it, but they are not water dogs, for sure!
And how's my Mimi doing today? Glad you had fun at the lake; bet it was hot though. We're having a heat wave here in California, it's very warm even beachside.

Have a nice big glass of wine and think of me.:)
Sharkey

Reno, NV

#631 Aug 8, 2012
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text> Thats an entirely different subject than i was commenting on.
No it's not.
Why is it "childish and absurd" to want a better world, but NOT "childish and absurd" to fight ourselves to death over "beliefs"?
Sharkey

Reno, NV

#632 Aug 8, 2012
Alexander of Earth wrote:
<quoted text>
Naturally PERFECT. Note the first word. Natural perfection. Where Adaptation, variation, speciation, mutation, Heredity, gene flow and exttinction take place. Humans are destroying the biosphere. If u decide to be ignorant as Earth dies because of us, it's ur stup!d choice...We either need to change our ways, or go extinct...our choice...yours aswell...
Perhaps humans are at the "extinction" stage now...self-extinction. We deny that we are knowingly destroying ourselves yet we are helpless to stop ourselves from doing it.
For example, one or a group of "elite" humans can attach a weapon to the International Space Station capable of blowing up the whole earth and decide to use it.
And we would have no choice in the matter, no control over it...becuase someone else decided he wanted to destroy the earth and get rid of all of us and would do it by any means necessary. It would be too late to do anything about it because this human or group of humans has already pushed the button.
It may be unfortunate, but perhaps human self-extinction is just inevitable...
blacklagoon

Waverley, MA

#633 Aug 9, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps humans are at the "extinction" stage now...self-extinction. We deny that we are knowingly destroying ourselves yet we are helpless to stop ourselves from doing it.
For example, one or a group of "elite" humans can attach a weapon to the International Space Station capable of blowing up the whole earth and decide to use it.
And we would have no choice in the matter, no control over it...becuase someone else decided he wanted to destroy the earth and get rid of all of us and would do it by any means necessary. It would be too late to do anything about it because this human or group of humans has already pushed the button.
It may be unfortunate, but perhaps human self-extinction is just inevitable...
There is No weapon capable of destroying the planet, you've been reading too many sci-fi books. And there is certainly no device that could destroy the planet if attached to the space station. What, the world governments simply sit and watches a group of people fly out to the space station. in what I have no idea, and calmly attach a device to it, and then fly back? Anything exploding that far out in space would have ZERO effect on the planet.

What, do you just make this shit up as you go? Grow the frig up and read something other than bad sci-fi books, they're rotting your brain.
blacklagoon

Waverley, MA

#634 Aug 9, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps humans are at the "extinction" stage now...self-extinction. We deny that we are knowingly destroying ourselves yet we are helpless to stop ourselves from doing it.
For example, one or a group of "elite" humans can attach a weapon to the International Space Station capable of blowing up the whole earth and decide to use it.
And we would have no choice in the matter, no control over it...becuase someone else decided he wanted to destroy the earth and get rid of all of us and would do it by any means necessary. It would be too late to do anything about it because this human or group of humans has already pushed the button.
It may be unfortunate, but perhaps human self-extinction is just inevitable...
Oh, and what the hell are "elite humans?" The Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years, it isn't going anywhere. Well not until our sun runs out of fuel, couple of billion years from now.

“This planet is”

Since: Jun 12

wonderfull

#635 Aug 9, 2012
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian



10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

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