LETTER: Stand up for the unborn child

[Johnny13]

Cog: It sounds like the process is what really stresses you out. Surely you must know that you cannot change the minds of the women you want to force to remain pregnant. Would you find it more palatable if they could change the conditions of their bodies and spontaneously miscarry? I don't think they should have to bend to your will or anything but I am interested. Your only hope is to control their options, or possibly imprison them in advance of them acting in their own interest. A miscarriage is natural, or do you disallow the body's rejection of the pregnancy if the woman desires that?

[tigertuu]

Johnny13 wrote:

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If murder is murder, please describe another murder that resembles an abortion. It is called pro-choice to illustrate the choice you would deny. Everyone supports a woman's right to choose to bring a pregnancy to completion and keep it, or allow it to be adopted. The embryo deoes not get a choice, because it is incapable of making a choice. It is blank tissue. A potential proto human. No more a person than a chicken egg is a hen. Pro-death is less correct than calling you anti-choice. I use the term pro-life in an attempt to keep the conversation from becoming childish most of the time, but it hardly seems accurate. The woman is certainly more alive than the microflesh, and you don't support her at all.

No, support the baby. The woman usually has a choice in the first place. In the second place, it is at the most 9 months of her doing something she doesn't want to do. It is the baby's entire life. 9 months of pregnancy versus an entire life.
Keep in mind all the reasons you have though, because one day you will be explaining it all to someone who matters.

[Child Of God]

jeopardynerd wrote:

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get your facts straight, there are photos of each week starting at 7 weeks at abort73.com .

That was a good link. I just want to make it easy for people to click on.

http://www.abort73.com/

[RayRae]

Johnny13 wrote:

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Because the body is not fully formed at 6 weeks. It is the size of a grain of rice, and is only vaguely human shaped. It has the rudimentary idea of organs, and begining formation of a brain. That is why it is not scientific. Your person is not yet a person at all.

Not scientific?

My encarta dictionary says a "person" is an individual human being.

Doesn't DNA cover that?

[tigertuu]

Lucy Lui wrote:

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I'd love to get pregnant by you and then abort your "unborn child" out of spite. You'll be crying yourself to sleep on your big pillow! Meh, probably not, because you really don't care or believe about fetuses, you just want to oppress women.

You go right on. It will cost you more than you will know.

[Johnny13]

jeopardynerd wrote:

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get your facts straight, there are photos of each week starting at 7 weeks at abort73.com .

I went and watched the dramatic video. The navigation is poor, and I had no clue how I was supposed to find what you wanted me to see with the available option. The claims in the video I watched do not match with my experience in talking with friends who have had abortions. I suggest you get your facts straight, and not cite propaganda as your only source.

[tigertuu]

In my studies of history, I noticed that every society that practiced any form of child sacrifice has vanished from the face of the earth.

[Lucy Lui]

tigertuu wrote:

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You go right on. It will cost you more than you will know.

I've had 3 abortions already and it cost me nothing financially, emotionally, physically, or spiritually, unlike it would have to bring brats into this world.

[Johnny13]

tigertuu wrote:

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No, support the baby. The woman usually has a choice in the first place. In the second place, it is at the most 9 months of her doing something she doesn't want to do. It is the baby's entire life. 9 months of pregnancy versus an entire life.
Keep in mind all the reasons you have though, because one day you will be explaining it all to someone who matters.

The second place means that she did not have a choice in the first place. Can I choose something for you to do for 9 months? I assume the last part has something to do with my daughter. You don't have to worry. I will tell her all about people like you.

[Johnny13]

tigertuu wrote:

In my studies of history, I noticed that every society that practiced any form of child sacrifice has vanished from the face of the earth.

Good thing we don't do that then. Dodged another bullet.

[Child Of God]

Johnny13 wrote:

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I went and watched the dramatic video. The navigation is poor, and I had no clue how I was supposed to find what you wanted me to see with the available option. The claims in the video I watched do not match with my experience in talking with friends who have had abortions. I suggest you get your facts straight, and not cite propaganda as your only source.

I looked at the video and website, and I suggest you get your facts right. If there's any propaganda going on here, then it's by you.

[steph]

jeopardynerd wrote:

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well, A is sick and you cannot force someone to harvest tissue from the body.

so you concede that you cant force someone to donate their tissue (or anything no matter how non-invasive) yet you believe you can force a woman to donate her organs and tissue and go to term despite the much greater risk to her life?

B is killing the baby.

so is A. slightly different method, same outcome. in both cases, the mother refuses to let parts of her body be used to sustain the life of the child.

the same as if someone's brother needs a transplant, and they are the only one able to, and decides not to, that also not "murder".
its not right, but its not murder.
to take someones life by dimembering them or cutting their head off os murder, no matter what age. why dont they get that? its fact, not opinion.
look at abort73.com

so the state cant force you to do anything except for the 9 months you're pregnant. ok, sure, why not?

[Johnny13]

RayRae wrote:

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Not scientific?
My encarta dictionary says a "person" is an individual human being.
Doesn't DNA cover that?

No. A tree has DNA. The Flu has DNA. Your liver is full of DNA. How does DNA get you into the legal human club? Can you claim an unborn child on your taxes?

[Bob of Quantum-Faith]

jeopardynerd wrote:

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that comment was sickening really. how is a heart beating at 18 days after conception and fully formed body at 6 weeks religious....and not scientific fact? our country determines the laws, and if you can rememeber.....slavery was also legal at one time, or is the idea of freedom for and equal rights for EVERYONE a crazy christian belief?

Define "murder".

But, you _DO_NOT_ get to use ANY supernatural words, terms, ideas to define it.

THOSE terms are RELIGIOUS.

Next, define "human".

Same stipulations apply: you DO NOT get to use ANY religious terms or ideas.

I'll wait.

[Johnny13]

tigertuu wrote:

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You go right on. It will cost you more than you will know.

Are you saying you have had an abortion? If so, why was it alright for you to have that freedom to make what you believe is a mistake, and not another woman?

[steph]

tigertuu wrote:

In my studies of history, I noticed that every society that practiced any form of child sacrifice has vanished from the face of the earth.

i have news for you, abortions have been documented in europe going back to at least the 1600's. 400 years later, they show no signs of vanishing anytime soon.

[Johnny13]

Child Of God wrote:

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I looked at the video and website, and I suggest you get your facts right. If there's any propaganda going on here, then it's by you.

Okay Dr. Cog. What did I get wrong, and what propoganda did I preach? Are you saying a 6 week old is a fully formed human and could survive outside of the woman's body? Are you saying it is not the size of a grain of rice?

[Johnny13]

http://www.parents.com/parents/pregnancyTrack...

Here is some week 6 stuff. Do you think Parents magazine is in league with the devil, and are tellers of lies?

[Johnny13]

They use "she" in the link, and speak in the way people who are eager to become parents think of the embryo, but there is still time for the sex change to occur if it is going to. We were all little microscopic women once.

[Writing in Paradise]

tigertuu wrote:

In my studies of history, I noticed that every society that practiced any form of child sacrifice has vanished from the face of the earth.

Or not. Abortion has existed for thousands of years.