Nine Eleven

“Truth is unthinkable.”

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#50 Jul 31, 2014
passing by wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a radical-leftist who has been better at capitalism than hard-line capitalists, 52 year-old single f****t with a public education and wee bit better than average IQ. I "retired" a couple of years ago, comfortably in the 2%. I worked on Wall Street in the late 80's and early 90's among an assortment of other endeavors. I had ADD/HD before it had a name..

On 2/26 (remember 1993?), I was talking to someone on the 105th floor of the North Tower, when the truck bomb blew up in the parking garage. I had a 17th floor skybox seat from 388 Greenwich (CNN was based on their roof on 9/11). I heard a what was that?, the fire alarm go off in the background and then an I'll call you back. Five minutes later I heard back that they had been told that there had been an explosion, but only areas immediately effected needed to evacuate and it was starting to get a little smoky. He spent the night in the hospital for smoke inhalation after his 105 story trip down stairs.

On 2/25, I had been in the parking garage, dropping off a rental car. They WERE located by the entrance to the Marriott, just as you came in off the West St level lobby to the towers. They left their little surprise package about 10 car lengths behind where you dropped off rentals. I had been in the Trade Center many, many times over the years .

I knew a number of people who died on 9/11, had friends who worked for Salomon Bros at WTC 7 and others who were in the towers. Do you know anybody that was actually there? Because none of the survivors I know are truthers.
The appeal to sympathy, right up there with the appeal to popularity you have falsely tried to invoke in your growing list of logical fallacies.

Tell me, how does knowing a victim, or even being one, give you any more authority about who the perpetrators were in such a crime like 9/11?

While your at it, you can explain how you limited your topix log in to a single computer - a notion you postulated in your attempt to explain away your switching of nicknames.

Congratulations on your claim of financial success, even though its not even slightly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Insults Are Easier
passing by

Salina, KS

#52 Jul 31, 2014
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
The appeal to sympathy, right up there with the appeal to popularity you have falsely tried to invoke in your growing list of logical fallacies.
Tell me, how does knowing a victim, or even being one, give you any more authority about who the perpetrators were in such a crime like 9/11?
While your at it, you can explain how you limited your topix log in to a single computer - a notion you postulated in your attempt to explain away your switching of nicknames.
Congratulations on your claim of financial success, even though its not even slightly relevant to the discussion at hand.
Insults Are Easier
Sweetums, those would only be logical fallacies if they were being used to convince you of anything, I'm merely relating my story. PS, if you don't know how to make an account on any internet site accessible only from one computer, it's not my fault. My Topix account was just the first one I set up that way as an experiment and I never changed it.
passing by

Salina, KS

#53 Jul 31, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Your first link is toast, bunny and your second is to the blog of an apparent idiot. What kind of wreckage would one expect to find from an airliner crashing through a steel reinforced concrete building? People witnessed airliner immediately before the impact and people witnessed identifiable airliner wreckage immediately after. Or were there evil minions, in on the conspiracy, seeding the site like James Scotford planting a lost tribe from Israel in the woods of Michigan, in couple the minutes it took for rescuers to arrive on the scene to "find"?
passing gas

Virginia Beach, VA

#54 Aug 1, 2014
passing by, it is obvious by your repeatedly exhibited posting behavior, that you have to address people by such names as "sweetums", "pudding", "bunny", etc., in order to try to act superior, by supposedly taking down to people, and that is pathetic stuff....
passing gas

Virginia Beach, VA

#55 Aug 1, 2014
Correction:
"TALKING down to people..."
(typo, NOT "taking down")
passing by

Salina, KS

#56 Aug 1, 2014
passing gas wrote:
passing by, it is obvious by your repeatedly exhibited posting behavior, that you have to address people by such names as "sweetums", "pudding", "bunny", etc., in order to try to act superior, by supposedly taking down to people, and that is pathetic stuff....
Going to serve anything to go with your annoying little whine or is that all there is? Just so you know hon, with you in the discussion a bag of hair couldn't avoid a feeling of intellectual superiority.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#57 Aug 1, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you find the Boeing ?
Sure!

9/11 and the Pentagon Attack: What Witnesses Described

hen we act we create our own reality."
April 2, 2007
9/11 and the Pentagon Attack: What Eyewitnesses Described

9/11 and the Pentagon Attack: What Witnesses Described

NOTE: there are some minor errors that I need to fix and that have been pointed out to me. A handful of witnesses described what they saw after the attack and are not first hand accounts. I will also be adding transcripts of of live television witnesses, never before transcribed.

The Flight Path of the Plane according to Witnesses

1.“I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon.”[1]

2.“We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon.”[2]

3. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As we were driving into town on 395, there was an exit. We were trying to get off of the exit for the Memorial Bridge. On the left-hand side, there was a commercial plane coming in, and was coming in too fast and the[n?] too low, and the next thing we saw was [it?] go-down below the side of the road… coming down towards the side of the—of 395. And when it came down, it just missed 395 and went down below us”[3]

4. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395… we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.[4]

5.“The jet came in from the south”[5]

6.“At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards… in front of me”[6]

7.“I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area,” he said.“I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low—at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down… the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon.”[7]

8.“which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon.”[8]

9.“He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.”[9]

10.“coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there—very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station… then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport.”[10]

http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#58 Aug 1, 2014
11.“seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike—an Arlington road leading to Pentagon.”[11]

12.“The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy.(most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap… the aircraft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer.”[12]

13.“They saw the plane hovering over the Washington Mall Area at an altitude lower that the height of the Washington Monument.”[13]

14.“At the BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex. Having just reached the elevator in the 5th wing of BMDO Federal Office Building (FOB)#2. He heard “an increasingly loud rumbling” One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view… The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB)… Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon.”[14]

15.“A silver, twin-engine American airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex.”[15]

16.“I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd… and from my left side…I saw a silver plane… It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading.”[16]

17.“A commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery.”[17]

18.“It actually came up I-395 and it went over the rise and came in front of a bridge in which I was sitting [in traffic].”[18]

19.“[It] approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.”[19]

20.“at that point it went down because I was approaching a hill. And at that point it went straight down over the hill.”[20]
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#59 Aug 1, 2014
21.“Personnel working in the Navy Annex, over which the airliner flew… saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy Annex.”[21]

22.“A plane flew over my house,”(one mile away from the Pentagon).“It was loud, but not unusual because the [Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport] is by my house, on the other side of the Pentagon.”[22]

23.“flying low over the tree tops near Seminary Rd. in Springfield, VA.”[23]

24.“I had just passed the Pentagon and was near the Macy’s store in Crystal City when I noticed a plane making a sharp turn from north of the Pentagon. I had to look back at the road and then back to the plane as it sort of leveled off.”[24]

25.“He left Bolling Air Force Base, D.C., for a meeting at the Pentagon, only to be told it was cancelled. Walking back to his motorcycle he saw a commercial airliner coming from the direction of Henderson Hall the Marine Corps headquarters. It “flew above a nearby hotel.”[25]

26.“About 10 minutes ago, there was a white jet circling overhead. Now, you generally don't see planes in the area over the White House. That is restricted air space. No reason to believe that this jet was there for any nefarious purposes, but the Secret Service was very concerned, pointing up at the jet in the sky.”[26]

27.“I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395.”[27]

28.“I did see, myself a plane, about half hour ago, circling over the Capitol.”[28]

29.“Personnel working in the Navy Annex, over which the airliner flew, said they heard the distinct whine of jet engines as the airliner approached... I saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy Annex.”[29]

30.“Time seemed to slip into slow motion as he watched the plane cross over Route 395, tip its left wing as it passed the Navy annex, veer sharply and then slice into the Pentagon.”[30]
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#60 Aug 1, 2014
31.“A white 737 twin-engine plane with multicolored trim fly 50 feet over I-395 in a straight line.”[31]

32.“You could just see him descend and just keep descending lower and lower, until he was almost on top of Route 27 that runs alongside the Pentagon.”[32]

33.“I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel.”[33]

34.“The plane took “a flight path straight up 395.”[34]

35.“There wasn’t anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank… Georgetown is a sector of the District of Columbia… A few minutes later, Vaughn witnessed the craft’s impact.”

36.“I looked up and saw the underbelly of the jet as it gracefully banked, then I watched in shock as the jet basically lined up the Pentagon in its sights and began to scream towards the mammoth structure.”[35]

37.“I saw a jumbo tail go by me along Route 395. It was like the rear end of the fuselage was riding on 395. I just saw the tail go whoosh right past me.”[36]

38.“I watched it come in very low over the trees and it just dipped down and came down right over 395 right into the Pentagon.”[37]

39.“I was so scared I thought it was coming after me and just ducked for cover… It was going so fast and it was so low,” he said, standing on Army-Navy Drive.”[38]

40.“It was an airliner coming straight up Columbia Pike”[39]

41.“Headed eastbound over the Pike, possibly toward the Pentagon.”[40]

42.“The plane flew very low over his car and hit the building and blew his windows out of the vehicle and he’s on interstate 395.”[41]
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#61 Aug 1, 2014
Witnesses described the plane hitting the Pentagon
“The plane hit the Pentagon”

1.“I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11…[It] slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon.”[414]

2.“I saw this plane right outside my window… Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon… It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon).”[415]

3.“It was coming down head first,” he said.“And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking.”[416]

4.“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing…”[417]

5.“And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking.”[418]

6.“[The plane] impacted the side of the building.”[419]

7.“[I] saw the plane hit the Pentagon.”[420]

8.“Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building.”[421]

9.“This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and seconds later crashed into it.”[422]

10.“I saw the plane hit and the fireball and explosion at the Pentagon.”[423]
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#62 Aug 1, 2014
11.“He realized he had a front-row seat to history, as the plane plowed into the Pentagon.”[424]

12.“I thought,‘There’s no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,’“Before he could process that thought, he saw “a huge mushroom cloud.”[425]

13.“He was in front of one of the blast-resistant windows [inside of the Pentagon as he saw the plane coming in to crash]…”[426]

14.“[The plane] nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring.”[427]

15.“[he saw the plane] strike the building.‘It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion,’ he said later Tuesday.‘I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running.’”[428]

16.“This plane was going to slam into the Pentagon. I steeled myself for the explosion.”[429]

17.“The airliner crashed into the Pentagon and exploded.”[430]

18.“He saw the plane approach and slam into the west side of the structure… it crashed into the building and burst into flames.”[431]

19.“The plane approached the Pentagon… slicing into the building, said Lee Evey.”[432]

20.“The plane hit the building.”[433]
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#63 Aug 1, 2014
21.“We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building.”[434]

22.“When [the plane] made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames.”[435]

23.“It seemed like [the plane] made impact just before the wedge.”[436]

24.“He impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo[copter], tower.”[437]

25.“What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom.”[438]

26.“This plane is going down into the Pentagon!”[439]

27.“By the time I looked up, the plane was moving so fast all I saw was an explosion.”[440]

28.“The crash was exceptionally loud… It shook the building and knocked people down who were closer to the point of impact.”[441]

29.“I [saw] an airplane descend into the side of the Pentagon.”[442]

30.“[He saw the plane] strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation’s military.”[443]
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#64 Aug 1, 2014
31.“He watched as the plane plowed into the Pentagon.”[444]

32.“[We] watched it crash.”[445]

33.“I turned my head to the right and saw it crash into the Pentagon about 200 yards away.”[446]

34.“‘There was a big noise when it hit the building,’ said Oscar Martinez, who witnessed the attack.”[447]

35.“My first thought was just ‘No, no, no, no,’ because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash.”[448]

36.“I saw it crash into the building…My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing.”[449]

37.“I saw…this big silver plane run into the side of the Pentagon.”[450]

38.“The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments exploded in a ground-shaking ‘whoomp’ as it appeared to hit the side of the Pentagon.”[451]

39.“I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass.”[452]

40.“[He] saw a plane crash into the building.”[453]
Uh Huh Eh

Virginia Beach, VA

#65 Aug 1, 2014
Uh Huh Eh
Sorry Charlie

Virginia Beach, VA

#67 Aug 1, 2014
Sorry Charlie!
Starkist wants tuna that tastes good, NOT tuna with good taste!

UHE
passing by

Salina, KS

#68 Aug 1, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Nice rant sorry charlie but you still can't find the marks on the walls where the wings should have hit the building.
Maybe you can see it through your rosy govie glasses.
Uh Huh Eh !
So let me get this, pardon the expression, straight, your doubt that a Boeing hit the building, despite all the eyewitness accounts to the contrary, is based on nothing more than your not seeing the wing shaped hole that you, for some weird reason, expect to be caused by a jet airliner's disintegration through the stone facade of a steel reinforced concrete building. That kind of stupid should hurt as much to think as it does to read.

“Taste great in milk!”

Since: Aug 08

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#69 Aug 1, 2014
passing by wrote:
<quoted text>So let me get this, pardon the expression, straight, your doubt that a Boeing hit the building, despite all the eyewitness accounts to the contrary, is based on nothing more than your not seeing the wing shaped hole that you, for some weird reason, expect to be caused by a jet airliner's disintegration through the stone facade of a steel reinforced concrete building. That kind of stupid should hurt as much to think as it does to read.
Hahahaha, Kansas...? You're killing me.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#70 Aug 2, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Nice rant sorry charlie but you still can't find the marks on the walls where the wings should have hit the building.
Maybe you can see it through your rosy govie glasses.
Uh Huh Eh !
I cant?

Right here!

"There was a memorial held on October 11 for the people who were killed," Bartram notes. "On October 12, we started taking the stone off the building. We took down approximately 2,400 pieces of stone, a lot of which had melted aluminum from the plane embedded in it. We took it all down in about 13 days.

http://www.masonrymagazine.com/8-02/rising.ht...

Wing scars

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passing by

Salina, KS

#72 Aug 2, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
So let me get this straight bunny, are you a fag ?
It looks like the short bus just pulled up. Didn't you believe me when I told you I was?
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts
Eyewitness testimony is fickle and, all too often, shockingly inaccurate...
One of these days you might tell me something that I don't know, this wasn't your day.

Yes dear, eyewitness accounts can be completely unreliable. Real memory of an event is a tricky thing for most folk to manage, because real memories of an event have gaps in the information available to recount them, while the event itself didn't. It's easier to try to fill in those gaps than having an incomplete memory. That's how a real memory of a light colored hat of an unremembered color can become a new 'memory' where it's yellow, even if it really wasn't. People also can have their real memories flocked with on a massive scale. I'll admit that there is indeed the possibility that more than one hundred eyewitnesses identifying what they remembered as being a jet, could all be filling in a gap in their real memories with a Boeing. They was wrong, no American Airlines owned 757, it was just a blank they saw go by. You can freely fill that blank however you want, but what about the identifiable bits and pieces of disintegrated Boeing recovered in the immediate aftermath of your blank plowing into the building?

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