Nine Eleven
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Joe Theplumber

Virginia Beach, VA

#1 Jul 23, 2014
Too many people are either too dumb or actually prefer to believe the lies for the truth to be able to be accepted (not come out, it has come out), during this time, our time, now. It probably will become increasingly accepted as truth, but that will take multiple decades for the truth to finally be acknowledged generally by a majority of people. For now, it is still too soon, and the official bullshit and lies are more comfortable to believe is true by the masses of simpletons, who, for, the truth would rock their world, and upset their world view far to much for them to be able to withstand. What happens, is ridiculing people who talk straight about 9/11 as being nutters, in that way, to make the truth seem nutty, that it cannot possibly be true because it is so hard to believe that it could be true. As if that is how truth is determined. It is if you are a weak minded sheeple, barely above a simpleton, which too many people are.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#2 Jul 24, 2014
is it an inside job ?
Captain Obvious

Virginia Beach, VA

#3 Jul 24, 2014
Does a bear shit in the woods?

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." (Wizard of Oz)

You know, come to think of it, a reference to the Wizard of Oz is somewhat pertinent, here, and for more reason than the line I already showed, which, itself is relevant, as well, of course.

But my point is that it seems like that a majority of people share characteristics with the characters the Scarecrow, the Tin Man, and the Cowardly Lion.

Too many people share those characteristics (lacking brains, heart, or courage), and are "like" the corresponding characters enough, for the truth to be able to be openly discussed concerning such a very sensitive, highly controversial hot button topic of immense significance, such as this ("Nine Eleven"), without people who are clearly not well informed, ridiculing others simply because the scenario presented is too scary to contemplate could possibly be real and true.

If the truth is too hard to take, does that mean it cannot be true?

That's the way it seems to work, and until enough people can be more and better than the characters the Scarecrow, the Tin Man, and the Cowardly Lion, i.e. lacking brains, heart, and courage, then all the official bullshit and lies, that is, the official story, which is easier and more comfortable to believe is true, rather than the reality, which is too hard to take for most people, will continue to be the outwardly held prevailing view and interpretation of the supposed truth of the watershed event in history, that 9/11 is.

The conspiracy theory that is way too ridiculous to believe, is that a number of men with box cutters hijacking airplanes made all of it happen.

If I were to make reference to the "Hegelian dialectic", or even simply to what "false flag events" are, I would be talking over the heads of the majority of people, it really gets discouraging trying to convince willingly ignorant sheeple of anything which is true and makes sense, if it happens to be a little over their level of intelligence.

"Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" ― Dick Cheney

Lies, lies, and damnable lies.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ― Arthur Schopenhauer

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ― Samuel Adams
passing by

Salina, KS

#4 Jul 24, 2014
Of course, it's much more plausible to believe that agencies of the US and foreign governments along with private businesses, conspired to A) Make four domestic passenger jets along with their passengers and crew vanish into thin air. B) Replaced them with cleverly disguised drones and/or missiles that were then flown into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania C) Pre-planned demolitions in three buildings at the WTC and a ring segment at the Pentagon, using a thermite like material that can only be theorized to exist. D) Managed to keep this absolutely secret in spite of the fact that I have just concocted a conspiracy with a larger cast than Ben Hur.

If 9/11 truthers want to be taken seriously, they need something resembling a single, cogent, coherent theory, not hundreds of often mutually exclusive theories. Y'all been investigating this for a decade, somebody should be able to present an alternative that they can prove happened.

19 men with box cutters over powering the flight crew makes a hell of a lot more sense than 99% of the alternative explanations that I have heard.
passing gas

Virginia Beach, VA

#5 Jul 24, 2014
you are clueless as to what is possible as your post makes it seem like you described something far fetched, it is only far fetched to your very limited mind because you don't know much
passing by

Salina, KS

#7 Jul 24, 2014
passing gas wrote:
you are clueless as to what is possible as your post makes it seem like you described something far fetched, it is only far fetched to your very limited mind because you don't know much
Everything and anything is possible, grasshopper. The next person you see could possibly be riding a white horse. Cogency, what a concept. It's been more than a decade now, we should have seen plausible alternatives years ago and probable alternatives before now. But no, you're stuck on what was possible. Y'all can't even clear the field of mutually exclusive possibilities. I'm far from clueless, I like to think of myself as pretty open-minded when presented with facts, but when all I get are a mixed up litany of long ago discredited possibilities with no unified theory to support any of them, you tend to get sarcasm.

Give me a single, coherent, probable (meaning, most likely to have occurred) alternative explanation and I'll be nicer to you.
grasshopper

Virginia Beach, VA

#8 Jul 24, 2014
I need to give you nothing, turd burglar.
passing by

Salina, KS

#9 Jul 25, 2014
grasshopper wrote:
I need to give you nothing, turd burglar.
Of course you don't bunny, you are free to be the poster child for immature all knowing know nothings if that is really what you want, or you can man up and admit that you are incapable of offering anything resembling a single, coherent, probable alternative. To be honest, I'm expecting more whiny b*tch out of you.
bunny

Virginia Beach, VA

#10 Jul 27, 2014
You have posted a completely insubstantial and totally vacuous statement that is thoroughly devoid of any meaningfulness and that constitutes absolutely nothing whatsoever more than typical forum trolling antics.
bunny

Virginia Beach, VA

#11 Jul 27, 2014
I have no obligation to offer anything remotely resembling a complete alternative explanation merely because you say something similar to that effect. It is unavoidable that there are some conflicting aspects to honest attempts to getting at the truth of such a big issue that has not nearly been resolved yet, and that does not prove anything in itself of disproving all of the serious questions that remain unanswered adequately, and it does not make any one individual person responsible for having to answer to those disparities, either.
bunny

Virginia Beach, VA

#12 Jul 27, 2014
How about people pointing out what a real plane crash site actually looks like in reality? We have examples to show for what these things really look like in the aftermath of a airliner type airplane that has actually crashed in reality. There is substantial plane wreckage! Imagine that! How come that is not coming out more to dash the fantasy land of morons who believe the official lies that includes the idiocy of plane crashes with almost no appreciable plane wreckage and debris compared to every other plane crash that happens in reality? How about the reality of not a fucking single other steel framed building ever collapsing from fire ever before? How about the plane crashes? Are we to think everyone is a moron that does not know what the reality of a real world plane crash that actually happened really looks like? We have them to show. It's not like there are not examples of real plane crashes to be able to demonstrate the fact that there is a heck of a lot more debris that remains on the ground from a big airplane having crashed. Anyone who just willingly ignores those type of glaring points is some sort of sorry individual that it is very hard to muster up any semblance of respect for.
bunny

Virginia Beach, VA

#14 Jul 27, 2014
Most people actually are not arguing against this anymore.

It is mainly only shit for brains internet trolls who do not know that
it has long since stopped being funny to try to denounce "truthers"
as being dumb. Eventually shit for brains asshats like you just die,
then people who are now in single digits of years they have been here
among the living upon the face of the earth and those to be born in the
coming years from now, some day int he future, years from now, will
be willing to face the truth for what it is, and acknowledged that we did it.

What kind of jackass does it take to believe the official lies as the truth of what happened?

Okay, it is not just jackasses, it is lots of people who cannot handle the truth.

It is too hard to take to realize that it could have happened that way.

Most people are more willing to deliberately disbelieve the truth, when it is too hard to handle.

Cognitive dissonance.
Cock Chainey

Virginia Beach, VA

#16 Jul 27, 2014
Hello world! This is what a real plane crash looks like!
Got it? This is what a plane crash actually looks like!
Let's remember how it was at the Pentagon and in PA!

Do you? I do even if you don't. Stuff that is not credible.

Remember that small hole in the Pentagon wall before it collapsed?

That is consistent with a missile rather than an airliner hitting it.

I do even if you don't, or if you do not about know it all, either.

Remember how security camera footage of places near the Pentagon was confiscated?

Remember how only four individual frames were released from security cameras at the Pentagon and that what it shows is definitely a small white object that is not nearly as big as the size of the airliner airplane that supposedly hit the Pentagon?

That is consistent with a missile rather than an airliner hitting it.

Did you ever know at all (the fact) that the "rift" in the land at the Penna. crash site was actually there long before that date, and proof of it shown from photos of the place taken long before September 2011?

To which was added on September 11 that small crater resulting from an explosion that did not have appreciable plane wreckage?

A very small amount of wreckage was present consistent with a missile hitting the ground, instead making that crater in the center of a rift that already was there.

Did you ever see the photo proving the crash from a distance?

It shows one small puff of grey smoke rising in the air!

How dense do you have to be to not know that is an explosion rather than a plane crash?

Where's the plane? Not here! Maybe it went deep into the ground and is hidden that way?
Cock Chainey

Virginia Beach, VA

#18 Jul 27, 2014
Almost all of the downed steel at the NYC site was shipped away as quickly possible out of the country mainly to China, rather than what would be required of a crime scene, to keep it to be able to investigate it.

Building 7 was not hit by any plane and only had a few very small fires and it also free fall collapsed.

The hottest that jet fuel can burn is 1800 degree Fahrenheit, but steel does not soften to be able to deform until a temperature of 2750 degrees Fahrenheit.

Pools of molten metal at very high temperatures in the basements of the twin towers for weeks after the event that can not be possible by the official lies/story.

Immediately the hijackers were known by their Identifications having survived intact after the crash of planes and the burning building and their collapse at the site in NYC. Absurd!

Bin Laden family members were granted special permission and ability to fly out of country exactly when there was no flying in the few days right after 9/11!

Know about the group of people who made the document known as PNAC? They said what they wanted, and they got it!

Know what that swine Philip Zelikow basically was an expert at? The creation of modern myths.

Only one account of men using boxcutters in the airplanes as part of how they hijacked them. Called in by a cell phone in an airplane at altitude, and the duration of the call was ZERO seconds. And who did it? The wife of the attorney who helped George W. Bush take the election. She died in the plane.

Some of the supposed hijackers seen alive long after 9/11.

Know about the Carlisle group? Do you know anything?
WhyDid Bldg7collapse

Virginia Beach, VA

#19 Jul 27, 2014
Hello world! This is what a real plane crash looks like!
Got it? This is what a plane crash actually looks like!
Let's remember how it was at the Pentagon and in PA!

Do you? I do even if you don't. Stuff that is not credible.

Remember that small hole in the Pentagon wall before it collapsed?

That is consistent with a missile rather than an airliner hitting it.

I do even if you don't, or if you do not about know it all, either.

Remember how security camera footage of places near the Pentagon was confiscated?

Remember how only four individual frames were released from security cameras at the Pentagon and that what it shows is definitely a small white object that is not nearly as big as the size of the airliner airplane that supposedly hit the Pentagon?

That is consistent with a missile rather than an airliner hitting it.

Did you ever know at all (the fact) that the "rift" in the land at the Penna. crash site was actually there long before that date, and proof of it shown from photos of the place taken long before September 2011?

To which was added on September 11 that small crater resulting from an explosion that did not have appreciable plane wreckage?

A very small amount of wreckage was present consistent with a missile hitting the ground, instead making that crater in the center of a rift that already was there.

Did you ever see the photo proving the crash from a distance?

It shows one small puff of grey smoke rising in the air!

How dense do you have to be to not know that is an explosion rather than a plane crash?

Where's the plane? Not here! Maybe it went deep into the ground and is hidden that way?
WhyDid Bldg7collapse

Virginia Beach, VA

#20 Jul 27, 2014
Almost all of the downed steel at the NYC site was shipped away as quickly possible out of the country mainly to China, rather than what would be required of a crime scene, to keep it to be able to investigate it.

Building 7 was not hit by any plane and only had a few very small fires and it also free fall collapsed.

The hottest that jet fuel can burn is 1800 degree Fahrenheit, but steel does not soften to be able to deform until a temperature of 2750 degrees Fahrenheit.

Pools of molten metal at very high temperatures in the basements of the twin towers for weeks after the event that can not be possible by the official lies/story.

Immediately the hijackers were known by their Identifications having survived intact after the crash of planes and the burning building and their collapse at the site in NYC. Absurd!

Bin Laden family members were granted special permission and ability to fly out of country exactly when there was no flying in the few days right after 9/11!

Know about the group of people who made the document known as PNAC? They said what they wanted, and they got it!

Know what that swine Philip Zelikow basically was an expert at? The creation of modern myths.

Only one account of men using boxcutters in the airplanes as part of how they hijacked them. Called in by a cell phone in an airplane at altitude, and the duration of the call was ZERO seconds. And who did it? The wife of the attorney who helped George W. Bush take the election. She died in the plane.

Some of the supposed hijackers seen alive long after 9/11.

Know about the Carlisle group? Do you know anything?
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#21 Jul 27, 2014
Cock**** Chainey ? he he :)
passing by

Salina, KS

#22 Jul 28, 2014
bunny wrote:
You have posted a completely insubstantial and totally vacuous statement that is thoroughly devoid of any meaningfulness and that constitutes absolutely nothing whatsoever more than typical forum trolling antics.
Your proof of that would be what exactly? You can proclaim anything you want dear, but that doesn't mean that you have proved it to be true. You do know that, don't you?
passing by

Salina, KS

#23 Jul 28, 2014
bunny wrote:
I have no obligation to offer anything remotely resembling a complete alternative explanation merely because you say something similar to that effect.
No buttercup, you aren't. You have the right to irrationality and illogic in your beliefs, I was just hoping for a discussion that didn't go that way. I'm just waiting for the day when somebody, anybody, who says that there IS an alternate truth about EVERYTHING we know about 9/11 to have something resembling a rational and logical idea as to what that truth is. If you don't have one. But if you do and don't want to divulge it, that's just kinda odd.
bunny wrote:
It is unavoidable that there are some conflicting aspects to honest attempts to getting at the truth of such a big issue that has not nearly been resolved yet, and that does not prove anything in itself of disproving all of the serious questions that remain unanswered adequately, and it does not make any one individual person responsible for having to answer to those disparities, either.
Hon, I get that the "Truth Movement" is like a non-denominational "church/synagogue/mosque/ temple/etc", where even mutually exclusive beliefs are not only welcome but actively encouraged. Y'all agree to never, ever disagree with one another, no matter just how false their "truth" has to be for yours to be even remotely "true", it's y'all against "us" who aren't convinced that either of your mutually exclusive alternative "truths" are true. While you don't mind that all of you can't even possibly be right, for "us", it is an important rational and logical consideration. Especially when none of y'all want to express how your alternative "truth" can be anything more than being possible.
passing by

Salina, KS

#24 Jul 28, 2014
bunny wrote:
How about people pointing out what a real plane crash site actually looks like in reality? We have examples to show for what these things really look like in the aftermath of a airliner type airplane that has actually crashed in reality. There is substantial plane wreckage! Imagine that! How come that is not coming out more to dash the fantasy land of morons who believe the official lies that includes the idiocy of plane crashes with almost no appreciable plane wreckage and debris compared to every other plane crash that happens in reality?
Sweetie, you do notice that when you are looking at all those other pictures of other airliner crashes that each of them is unique in its own way? These scenes not looking like other crash sites, not surprising considering the dearth of comparables. Not looking like other airliner crashes, especially given the circumstances, shouldn't be confused with reasonable doubt that they weren't airliner crashes. These airliners were high speed resistible forces meeting objects designed to be immovable. Not the least bit surprising that they don't resemble many other crash sites.

By the by, how about all the people who were there and saw airliners and encountered honest to goodness debris from them immediately after impact? Your doubts far from reasonable.
bunny wrote:
How about the reality of not a fucking single other steel framed building ever collapsing from fire ever before?
I keep hearing that, but since none of those other steel frame buildings had also absorbed the impact of an exploding airliner/missile/drone/multipl e alternatives to be determined later, that would be proof of absolutely nothing.
bunny wrote:
How about the plane crashes?
I miss rational. Been here, done this.
bunny wrote:
Are we to think everyone is a moron that does not know what the reality of a real world plane crash that actually happened really looks like? We have them to show. It's not like there are not examples of real plane crashes to be able to demonstrate the fact that there is a heck of a lot more debris that remains on the ground from a big airplane having crashed. Anyone who just willingly ignores those type of glaring points is some sort of sorry individual that it is very hard to muster up any semblance of respect for.
Again sweetie, other crashes don't look a whole lot like each other either. People witnessed airliners, people witnessed debris from airliners immediately after impact, your saying that they have to be wrong because the aftermath looks different from the aftermath of completely dissimilar events, not the stuff of reasonable doubt.

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