Religion Has No Purpose
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#23 Mar 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>If miracles are real, then like anything else that is real, you should be able to prove them. Go ahead, be my guest, supply your scientific evidence that shows miracles to be real. Not just your word that something happened to you, thats personal testimony, and not evidence. You can't even use personal testimony in a court of law. Hearsay doesn't do it for you either, that is not acceptable as evidence, also not allowed in a court of law.
"Oh my brother in law was abducted by the fish God from Neptune, I saw it myself, and all the neighbors also saw it. He was taken on a big ship that looked like a giant fish, and in a moment he was wisked to Neptune. Five minutes later he was back, they gave him a baby fish God to take care of, he's in the garage now, in a small aquarium." "You have to believe me because I said it happened and a lot of other people witnessed it."
Sooo..........produce your scientific evidence for miracles, as science is the ONLY way, to prove whether or not something is real......ready...set......... .GO!!!! OH Yeah, can't do it can ya...yeah, I thought so. No such thing as miracles, you're lying your ass off!!!! fake........delusional liar!!!! ha ha ha ha
no, you are the delusional since Miracles and God are real. you are living in fantasy.

here is a real Miracle:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php...

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Since: Mar 13

Hayburn, Idaho

#24 Mar 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why would anyone pray to a deity that murders children? Why pray when studies demonstrate that prays are not answered?
Praying for forgiveness means you accept the mindset that you are somehow flawed, it's a demeaning mindset. One should not need to pray for strength, then prayer becomes a crutch, and robs you of the ability to form a strategy to deal with adversity.
If you need to appeal to a higher power in order to avoid temptation, then you are not a very strong person in the first place, and what the religious deem as a temptation, is perfectly natural in most cases, for non-believers.
andet1987 wrote:
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yes, prayers work for me. many of my prayers were answered. God gave me guidance to buy medication for psoriasis and i got the correct medication right away. my psoriasis is healed.
God heals, God helps, God gives guidance.
Then why do you need to lie for your cause? I've seen your lies on the other threads; if you cause is so good, why do you need to constantly lie for it?
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#25 Mar 26, 2014
A New Libertarian wrote:
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why would anyone pray to a deity that murders children? Why pray when studies demonstrate that prays are not answered?
Praying for forgiveness means you accept the mindset that you are somehow flawed, it's a demeaning mindset. One should not need to pray for strength, then prayer becomes a crutch, and robs you of the ability to form a strategy to deal with adversity.
If you need to appeal to a higher power in order to avoid temptation, then you are not a very strong person in the first place, and what the religious deem as a temptation, is perfectly natural in most cases, for non-believers.
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Then why do you need to lie for your cause? I've seen your lies on the other threads; if you cause is so good, why do you need to constantly lie for it?
oh ? i am a liar ? just because you don't believe in God and His Miracles, you call me a liar ? i witnessed a real Miracle last June 30, 2011. i was in the right place and the right time. i am the one who knew what happened in that particular place and time. i am the authority. i was there. i really saw a real Miracle.

you were not there in that particular place and time. so ? you know nothing. so please be silent. you know nothing.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#26 Mar 26, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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no, you are the delusional since Miracles and God are real. you are living in fantasy.
here is a real Miracle:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php...
Holy shit, are you for real? What a fake, its was all staged, holy jumpin shit are you gullible. Don't you think if someone had that kind of healing power the medical community would know about it, and use? Medical science would jump at the chance examine this. Funny how these kinds of miraculous healing's never EVER reach medical science. It's because everyone with even a speck of intelligence KNOWS how fake these incidence are. I guess would mean you don't even have a speck of intelligence. Is it possible for you to be any more gullible? You're pathetic!!!
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#27 Mar 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Holy shit, are you for real? What a fake, its was all staged, holy jumpin shit are you gullible. Don't you think if someone had that kind of healing power the medical community would know about it, and use? Medical science would jump at the chance examine this. Funny how these kinds of miraculous healing's never EVER reach medical science. It's because everyone with even a speck of intelligence KNOWS how fake these incidence are. I guess would mean you don't even have a speck of intelligence. Is it possible for you to be any more gullible? You're pathetic!!!
of course i am for real !! Miracles do happen. i was with Jeff, a religious guy who distributes religious booklets. Miracles do happen especially to those who believe in God.

what do you mean by staged ? Jeff is an honest person. he will never do something to fool me to believe it was a Miracle. of course it was a real Miracle. a religious person like Jeff is someone who is honest, can be trusted. besides, Miracles happened to him a few times before. it is not surprising if he saw more Miracles after that one i saw.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#28 Mar 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Holy shit, are you for real? What a fake, its was all staged, holy jumpin shit are you gullible. Don't you think if someone had that kind of healing power the medical community would know about it, and use? Medical science would jump at the chance examine this. Funny how these kinds of miraculous healing's never EVER reach medical science. It's because everyone with even a speck of intelligence KNOWS how fake these incidence are. I guess would mean you don't even have a speck of intelligence. Is it possible for you to be any more gullible? You're pathetic!!!
oppps sorry. you are referring to that boy who got healed via faith healing ? of course that boy was sick. that boy was never taught how to act like sick. he was really sick. when he was healed, he smiled. that was a real smile. it was not an acting smile.

it was staged ? omg. no way Josefina !! an innocent boy can never fake or act the way he was acting. he was really sick, and was healed.

you are just trying to find an excuse to defend your atheism which is wrong. God and Miracles are real.

don't tell me the boy is an Oscar Best Actor recipient !!! he is not. he is not acting. he was for real !!!
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#29 Mar 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Holy shit, are you for real? What a fake, its was all staged, holy jumpin shit are you gullible. Don't you think if someone had that kind of healing power the medical community would know about it, and use? Medical science would jump at the chance examine this. Funny how these kinds of miraculous healing's never EVER reach medical science. It's because everyone with even a speck of intelligence KNOWS how fake these incidence are. I guess would mean you don't even have a speck of intelligence. Is it possible for you to be any more gullible? You're pathetic!!!
oh ? don't you know that there are some people in medical science who also rely from the help of God ? do you think medical science are all pure science ? no way !! there are some who seek Divine intervention to heal patients faster. somewhat like a combination of science and faith healing.

http://www.doesgodexist.org/JulAug09/Sciencea...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#30 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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of course i am for real !! Miracles do happen. i was with Jeff, a religious guy who distributes religious booklets. Miracles do happen especially to those who believe in God.
what do you mean by staged ? Jeff is an honest person. he will never do something to fool me to believe it was a Miracle. of course it was a real Miracle. a religious person like Jeff is someone who is honest, can be trusted. besides, Miracles happened to him a few times before. it is not surprising if he saw more Miracles after that one i saw.
I explained the dry spot, I saw EXACTLY the same thing. I'm sorry if you're to stupid to understand my explanation.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#31 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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oppps sorry. you are referring to that boy who got healed via faith healing ? of course that boy was sick. that boy was never taught how to act like sick. he was really sick. when he was healed, he smiled. that was a real smile. it was not an acting smile.
it was staged ? omg. no way Josefina !! an innocent boy can never fake or act the way he was acting. he was really sick, and was healed.
you are just trying to find an excuse to defend your atheism which is wrong. God and Miracles are real.
don't tell me the boy is an Oscar Best Actor recipient !!! he is not. he is not acting. he was for real !!!
Ever hear the name Peter Popoff? He was a healer, performed exactly the same bullshit you posted for me with the little boy. Popoff in now in jail serving a 10 year sentence for duping people out of money and not paying taxes. He was caught when it was discovered that the supposed sick people were plants. He would train these people, some of them young children, how to act, how to pretend they were either sick, or possessed by evil spirits. he would then go through his routine and appear to call on God to miraculously heal these fakes. Stupid people, like you, believed it and paid large sums of money to have loved ones healed. If they were not healed, he'd still take the money and say that God would help the in other ways. These poor slobs were gullible, just like you, and paid thousands, to have their loved ones healed.

I can't help you with your stupidity, nor can I help you with your gullibility, but if you send me $500.00 I'll show you a way to cure yourself of any disease, God has spoken to me and assures me that he will watch over you and pay special attention to you if you send me the money.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#32 Mar 27, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Ever hear the name Peter Popoff? He was a healer, performed exactly the same bullshit you posted for me with the little boy. Popoff in now in jail serving a 10 year sentence for duping people out of money and not paying taxes. He was caught when it was discovered that the supposed sick people were plants. He would train these people, some of them young children, how to act, how to pretend they were either sick, or possessed by evil spirits. he would then go through his routine and appear to call on God to miraculously heal these fakes. Stupid people, like you, believed it and paid large sums of money to have loved ones healed. If they were not healed, he'd still take the money and say that God would help the in other ways. These poor slobs were gullible, just like you, and paid thousands, to have their loved ones healed.
I can't help you with your stupidity, nor can I help you with your gullibility, but if you send me $500.00 I'll show you a way to cure yourself of any disease, God has spoken to me and assures me that he will watch over you and pay special attention to you if you send me the money.
ha ha :) you think you can fool me by asking $500 ? why ? your disability or welfare check is not enough ?

here is another proof if a real Miracle:

http://www.godvine.com/A-Baby-Was-Left-on-the...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#33 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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ha ha :) you think you can fool me by asking $500 ? why ? your disability or welfare check is not enough ?
here is another proof if a real Miracle:
http://www.godvine.com/A-Baby-Was-Left-on-the...
I'm asking you for $500.00 because you are gullible enough to believe I can converse with God about your health.

All I can say is your standards for miracles is extremely low. To call it a miracle because a cop found a baby in a paper bag along side the road, is such a low standard for a miracle as to be laughable, much like your dry spot. People find things all the time on the side of the road, just because it happened to be a baby does not make it a miracle from God, it makes it extremely good luck, thats it.

You seem terribly confused between good luck, being at the right place at the right time, sheer coincidence, and miracles from a mythical being. Gullibility means you accept almost anything you can't explain as a miracle. This is what early man did when he couldn't explain something, thunder and lightning were caused by an angry God, diseases by evil spirits, the sun coming out after a storm a miracle from God. It seems as though you haven't progressed much beyond early caveman in your thinking. This makes you pathetically ignorant and just plain stupid, sorry, being as gullible as you are is very close to being mentally unstable.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#34 Mar 27, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I agree to a certain extent, but without a God figure, there can be no religion. I don't consider Jainism or Buddhism as religion, rather a philosophy or discipline.
Yo also must have learned in school how logic operates: Either A is or A isn't, it can't be both. The logic dictates that there must be a methodology used to determine if A is or A isn't. What methodology would you use to make that determination? I can think of only one method, and that is science. So in the case for the existence of God, it is not merely an opinion, but a position based on the facts as shown by science, or, in the case for God, the complete lack of facts. The only conclusion one can come to, is that due to the complete lack of scientific evidence, God is non-existent. The religious override this conclusion by injecting the word "faith." Faith then becomes the permission that the religious give to each other and anyone else that will listen, to validate their unproven belief. "No I don't have proof that God exists but I have FAITH that he does." Faith in this context equals gullibility.
just in case God will present to you a real Miracle, are you going to call yourself delusional ? are you going to call yourself gullible when you become faithful after witnessing a real Miracle ?

so if you see a Miracle, are you sure you would assume you experienced a delusion ? you are delusional ? is that how you consider yourself ? what if your doctor does not diagnose you of being delusional since you are of sound mind, are you still going to consider yourself delusional for seeing a real Miracle ?
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#35 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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ha ha :) you think you can fool me by asking $500 ? why ? your disability or welfare check is not enough ?
here is another proof if a real Miracle:
http://www.godvine.com/A-Baby-Was-Left-on-the...
I'll bet you can't answer the question as to why God never performs miracles for amputee's, or for cancer stricken children, or for the thousands of children that die every minute from starvation. Just think if God was real and wanted to convince everyone of his ability to perform miracles, he could decide that for ONE DAY, no child would die from cancer, abuse, or starvation. Just ONE DAY, but instead he made a dry spot on the ground. You're a very sick person.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#36 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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just in case God will present to you a real Miracle, are you going to call yourself delusional ? are you going to call yourself gullible when you become faithful after witnessing a real Miracle ?
so if you see a Miracle, are you sure you would assume you experienced a delusion ? you are delusional ? is that how you consider yourself ? what if your doctor does not diagnose you of being delusional since you are of sound mind, are you still going to consider yourself delusional for seeing a real Miracle ?
Since I'm a non-believer, then I would NEVER expect to witness a miracle. For every miracle that is said to have occurred, I can come up with a reasonable answer other than a gift from God. In many case's science will supply the REAL answer. Good luck, conincedence's, defying the odds, being at the right place at the right time, the bodies natural ability to heal itself without any divine intervention, all viable answers to a proposed miracle. I do believe most reported miracles are just down right lies.

There is NO GOD, there are NO MIRACLES, and ALL faith healers are con-men preying off the extremely gullible like you!!
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#37 Mar 27, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet you can't answer the question as to why God never performs miracles for amputee's, or for cancer stricken children, or for the thousands of children that die every minute from starvation. Just think if God was real and wanted to convince everyone of his ability to perform miracles, he could decide that for ONE DAY, no child would die from cancer, abuse, or starvation. Just ONE DAY, but instead he made a dry spot on the ground. You're a very sick person.
oh ? me sick ? it is the other way around. you are sick mentally !!

proof: you keep taking about God, yet you said you don't believe in God ?

of course God usually heals sick people. amputees are not sick. they are healthy people. the part of the limb that was cut off was long gone dead, destroyed or buried somewhere. so you mean to say God has to get that cadaver limb and put it back to his healthy body ? you are an idiot !!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#38 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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oh ? me sick ? it is the other way around. you are sick mentally !!
proof: you keep taking about God, yet you said you don't believe in God ?
of course God usually heals sick people. amputees are not sick. they are healthy people. the part of the limb that was cut off was long gone dead, destroyed or buried somewhere. so you mean to say God has to get that cadaver limb and put it back to his healthy body ? you are an idiot !!
So you are admitting that the God you believe in is NOT all powerful, he has limits as to what he can do. Are you saying God is not powerful enough to regenerate a new limb for an amputee? He supposedly created the entire universe and all things in it, but can't regrow a new limb for an amputee? You God is worthless. If he can't create a simple limb for an amputee then how the hell could he have created the cosmos? Your God is supposed to have created man, yet he can't fix something that is broken on his own creation. Holy shit what a hack God you worship. Too funny, and you think he can do miracles when the simplest of tasks are impossible for him. ha ha ha ha
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#39 Mar 27, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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oh ? me sick ? it is the other way around. you are sick mentally !!
proof: you keep taking about God, yet you said you don't believe in God ?
of course God usually heals sick people. amputees are not sick. they are healthy people. the part of the limb that was cut off was long gone dead, destroyed or buried somewhere. so you mean to say God has to get that cadaver limb and put it back to his healthy body ? you are an idiot !!
I keep talking about God because I think believing in anything without evidence is dangerous. When people like you become so incredibly gullible because of their beliefs, it posses a danger to the society I live in. People rejecting factual information because it conflicts with their beliefs is a danger to the society I live in. Your beliefs inform your actions, if your beliefs are unsupported then your action could well be dangerous. I don't want someone like that living next door to me. Gullibility can be a very dangerous trait, and you have it big time.
socci

Cameron, MO

#40 Mar 27, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
I keep talking about God because I think believing in anything without evidence is dangerous.

Jesus is an historic fact. You denying recorded history will change nothing. All the Historians of the time vs You; historians win. You will not be convincing me of your nonsense. If you want to lie to yourself, that is your problem.

There is no evidence for your 'caveman'. It is a pagan religion that predates Darwin.
socci

Cameron, MO

#41 Mar 27, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
So you are admitting that the God you believe in is NOT all powerful, he has limits as to what he can do. Are you saying God is not powerful enough to regenerate a new limb for an amputee? He supposedly created the entire universe and all things in it, but can't regrow a new limb for an amputee? You God is worthless. If he can't create a simple limb for an amputee then how the hell could he have created the cosmos? Your God is supposed to have created man, yet he can't fix something that is broken on his own creation. Holy shit what a hack God you worship. Too funny, and you think he can do miracles when the simplest of tasks are impossible for him. ha ha ha ha

We do not need miracles more than we already have to believe in Jesus. He was here 2000 years ago that we may all know him.

The amputee will get an entirely new immortal body, if he believes in Jesus, at the time of the resurrection, along with all God's people. This life was meant to be temporary.

Jesus at the resurrection with his new immortal body, recorded by witnesses at the time.:


Luke 24:34-43 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon. And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the middle of them, and said to them, Peace be to you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said to them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.
Doctor REALITY

United States

#42 Mar 27, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
What purpose does religion have? Since there are no moral absolutes, and secular morality is all that is needed, what purpose does religion serve other than to comfort those afraid of the dark and death?
There is nothing that can be done by those who believe that can't be done by non-believers. Is it simply the crutch that religion offers to those who do not have the inner strength to deal with adversity?
I would love to see someone offer a compelling reason as to why religion has any purpose whatsoever.
So are you saying you don't believe that God is REAL? What.....PROOF...do you have? How to you think the male and female genders of human beings and animals came to be?

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