Religion Has No Purpose
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blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#1 Mar 24, 2014
What purpose does religion have? Since there are no moral absolutes, and secular morality is all that is needed, what purpose does religion serve other than to comfort those afraid of the dark and death?

There is nothing that can be done by those who believe that can't be done by non-believers. Is it simply the crutch that religion offers to those who do not have the inner strength to deal with adversity?

I would love to see someone offer a compelling reason as to why religion has any purpose whatsoever.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#2 Mar 25, 2014
i copied and pasted this.(from Riverside Redneck)

We pray for many reasons.
For one thing, prayer is a form of serving God and obeying Him, we pray because God commands us to pray, we pray for God's guidance and understanding, we pray for forgiveness, we pray in preparation for major decisions, we pray to overcome barriers, we pray to gain strength, we pray to help overcome temptation, we pray to try and determine God's will.
Not praying shows a lack of faith and a lack of trust in God.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#3 Mar 25, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
i copied and pasted this.(from Riverside Redneck)
We pray for many reasons.
For one thing, prayer is a form of serving God and obeying Him, we pray because God commands us to pray, we pray for God's guidance and understanding, we pray for forgiveness, we pray in preparation for major decisions, we pray to overcome barriers, we pray to gain strength, we pray to help overcome temptation, we pray to try and determine God's will.
Not praying shows a lack of faith and a lack of trust in God.
Why would anyone pray to a deity that murders children? Why pray when studies demonstrate that prays are not answered?

Praying for forgiveness means you accept the mindset that you are somehow flawed, it's a demeaning mindset. One should not need to pray for strength, then prayer becomes a crutch, and robs you of the ability to form a strategy to deal with adversity.

If you need to appeal to a higher power in order to avoid temptation, then you are not a very strong person in the first place, and what the religious deem as a temptation, is perfectly natural in most cases, for non-believers.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#4 Mar 25, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why would anyone pray to a deity that murders children? Why pray when studies demonstrate that prays are not answered?
Praying for forgiveness means you accept the mindset that you are somehow flawed, it's a demeaning mindset. One should not need to pray for strength, then prayer becomes a crutch, and robs you of the ability to form a strategy to deal with adversity.
If you need to appeal to a higher power in order to avoid temptation, then you are not a very strong person in the first place, and what the religious deem as a temptation, is perfectly natural in most cases, for non-believers.
yes, prayers work for me. many of my prayers were answered. God gave me guidance to buy medication for psoriasis and i got the correct medication right away. my psoriasis is healed.

God heals, God helps, God gives guidance.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#5 Mar 25, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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yes, prayers work for me. many of my prayers were answered. God gave me guidance to buy medication for psoriasis and i got the correct medication right away. my psoriasis is healed.
God heals, God helps, God gives guidance.
The sad part about your response is that you have no idea how foolish it sounds. A doctor or dermatologist could have done the same. If you have any reason or common sense then think about why amputee's have NEVER had their prayers answered, NEVER EVER, yet you think God lead you to the right medication for psoriasis. I find it almost impossible to have a conversation with someone so unbelievably gullible. At the moment you THINK God gave you guidance to buy the right medication, he completely ignored a grieving parents prayers for their child who died from cancer, and this seems to make perfectly good sense to you?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I'm talking to someone who thinks God made a miracle by creating a dry spot on the sidewalk, even after I gave you a perfectly reasonable answer given the exact same experience I had. Once a dupe always a dupe!!!! I do kind of pity you and your excessive penchant for gullibility.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#6 Mar 25, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The sad part about your response is that you have no idea how foolish it sounds. A doctor or dermatologist could have done the same. If you have any reason or common sense then think about why amputee's have NEVER had their prayers answered, NEVER EVER, yet you think God lead you to the right medication for psoriasis. I find it almost impossible to have a conversation with someone so unbelievably gullible. At the moment you THINK God gave you guidance to buy the right medication, he completely ignored a grieving parents prayers for their child who died from cancer, and this seems to make perfectly good sense to you?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I'm talking to someone who thinks God made a miracle by creating a dry spot on the sidewalk, even after I gave you a perfectly reasonable answer given the exact same experience I had. Once a dupe always a dupe!!!! I do kind of pity you and your excessive penchant for gullibility.
ha ha :) actually, you are the one to be pitied. you do not believe in God no matter how many Miracles have happened. you are still not having the intellectual capacity of all believers. of course there is God. Miracles are proofs of God's existence. God is eternal. He was always there even before the Universe was created. just because some scientists do not believe in God, you also follow them ? and you think you have the brains like them ?

no way Josefina. you are not that bright like God. why ? you can not explain how Miracles happen !!! you are just an ordinary person just like anyone else. you can never explain how God creates Miracles, you can never surpass God's power and intelligence.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#7 Mar 25, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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ha ha :) actually, you are the one to be pitied. you do not believe in God no matter how many Miracles have happened. you are still not having the intellectual capacity of all believers. of course there is God. Miracles are proofs of God's existence. God is eternal. He was always there even before the Universe was created. just because some scientists do not believe in God, you also follow them ? and you think you have the brains like them ?
no way Josefina. you are not that bright like God. why ? you can not explain how Miracles happen !!! you are just an ordinary person just like anyone else. you can never explain how God creates Miracles, you can never surpass God's power and intelligence.
There are no such things as miracles, if there were, then each and every miracle that occurred would be front page news in every newspaper around the globe, there would be wold-wide coverage on every TV channel, interviews, scientists called to explain the miracle, every country in the world would know about these miracles but.........Yeah thats right, NEVER EVER has there been a confirmed miracle, you finding the right medication for your skin problem is NOT proof of a miracle, in fact, no personal experience is EVER considered proof, and all miracles are either personal experiences, usually by delusional people, or they can easily be explained by purely naturalistic means.

I can in fact explain many so called miracles, I did it with your ridiculous dry spot.

You're right I can't explain Gods power and intelligence simply because there is ZERO evidence that any such thing exists. Just like I can't explain Superman's power and intelligence.

People who are believers are not intellectually sound, no one with any intelligence believes in anything without evidence. True intellectuals possess the following traits, REASON, LOGIC, and most important SKEPTICISM. Believers posses none of these traits, instead they believe for no good reason, are extremely gullible, like you, and structure their lives around myths and magic, not very intelligent.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#8 Mar 25, 2014

Even your pagan religion has a purpose -- to deceive.

There are moral absolutes set by God who we have all known as Jesus.

Christianity is truth in history and science. All other religions were creations of the devil.

Film about many false religions and their origins:


From Babylon to Rome
with James Arrabito
http://youtu.be/caMxhP__lkU
Comparison of symbols used in ancient paganism and current Christianity. Over 900 photographs from museums and cathedrals around the world. History of the religion of the Roman Empire from Babylon to present. Reveals who the "Beast" of the Apocalypse is.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#9 Mar 25, 2014
socci wrote:
Even your pagan religion has a purpose -- to deceive.
There are moral absolutes set by God who we have all known as Jesus.
Christianity is truth in history and science. All other religions were creations of the devil.
Film about many false religions and their origins:
From Babylon to Rome
with James Arrabito
http://youtu.be/caMxhP__lkU
Comparison of symbols used in ancient paganism and current Christianity. Over 900 photographs from museums and cathedrals around the world. History of the religion of the Roman Empire from Babylon to present. Reveals who the "Beast" of the Apocalypse is.
Moral absolutes do not exist if God doesn't exist, and there is little or no evidence that points to a God thing being anymore that something imagined and passed on from generation to generation. There is so little evidence for Jesus that many biblical scholars highly doubt his very existence.

There can be no "truths" when the object of that "truth" is non-existent. A "Truth" is defined as something demonstrable, something that is indisputably the case, the beliefs of Christianity lack both.

I'm not sure what you mean by "science" in its relationship to Christianity.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#11 Mar 25, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
What purpose does religion have? Since there are no moral absolutes, and secular morality is all that is needed, what purpose does religion serve other than to comfort those afraid of the dark and death?
There is nothing that can be done by those who believe that can't be done by non-believers. Is it simply the crutch that religion offers to those who do not have the inner strength to deal with adversity?
I would love to see someone offer a compelling reason as to why religion has any purpose whatsoever.
Religion serves only to enslave and control people mentally..
and keep them stupid..it needs to be eradicated

www.evilbible.com

www.thereligionofpeace.com
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#12 Mar 25, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
Moral absolutes do not exist if God doesn't exist, and there is little or no evidence that points to a God thing being anymore that something imagined and passed on from generation to generation. There is so little evidence for Jesus that many biblical scholars highly doubt his very existence.
There can be no "truths" when the object of that "truth" is non-existent. A "Truth" is defined as something demonstrable, something that is indisputably the case, the beliefs of Christianity lack both.
I'm not sure what you mean by "science" in its relationship to Christianity.

All the historians of the day record Jesus his life events and christian followers. So you will first need to be honest with yourself.

There are no historians or witnesses for 'caveman' The pagan myth of the 'caveman' is a false religion. Man has always been man, as Bible says.

Pagan Roots of Evolution Theories
with professor Paul James-Griffiths
http://edinburghcreationgroup.org/video/31
http://creation.com/evolution-ancient-pagan-i...
http://www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.h...

Bible right again!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#14 Mar 25, 2014
PDX Dave wrote:
Most people make the mistake of confusing religion, with God. The best way I ever heard it put wise; God is God, religion is man
Religion is a man-made invention which we created in an effort to explain, and understand God – who is basically incomprehensible to our minds. That's why there are so many religions, but only one God. My take on that anyway! The great thing about discourse such as this is, it is impossible for anyone to be wrong. That is because we are talking about opinions, and opinions are never right or wrong – they just ARE. People can disagree, because opinions can be different, but one person cannot tell another person that their opinion is wrong (hey whadda ya know, I DID remember something from high school debate class 8-)
I agree to a certain extent, but without a God figure, there can be no religion. I don't consider Jainism or Buddhism as religion, rather a philosophy or discipline.

Yo also must have learned in school how logic operates: Either A is or A isn't, it can't be both. The logic dictates that there must be a methodology used to determine if A is or A isn't. What methodology would you use to make that determination? I can think of only one method, and that is science. So in the case for the existence of God, it is not merely an opinion, but a position based on the facts as shown by science, or, in the case for God, the complete lack of facts. The only conclusion one can come to, is that due to the complete lack of scientific evidence, God is non-existent. The religious override this conclusion by injecting the word "faith." Faith then becomes the permission that the religious give to each other and anyone else that will listen, to validate their unproven belief. "No I don't have proof that God exists but I have FAITH that he does." Faith in this context equals gullibility.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#15 Mar 25, 2014
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
All the historians of the day record Jesus his life events and christian followers. So you will first need to be honest with yourself.
There are no historians or witnesses for 'caveman' The pagan myth of the 'caveman' is a false religion. Man has always been man, as Bible says.
Pagan Roots of Evolution Theories
with professor Paul James-Griffiths
http://edinburghcreationgroup.org/video/31
http://creation.com/evolution-ancient-pagan-i...
http://www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.h...
Bible right again!
if you are honest with yourself you will come to accept this FACT: There are NO contemporary accounts of Jesus outside of the bible. The important word here is CONTEMPORARY. There are historians who have written about Jesus decades after his life, but those are simply stories about a man called Jesus passed down by word of mouth. In fact there appears to have been many men with the name of Jesus who roamed the countryside preaching. The Romans were known to be very accurate record keepers especially with those they executed, and many of these executions were crucifixions. There are NO records of anyone named Jesus being crucified.

Jesus is a myth, and fantastic story passed down over the years, complete with miracles (which never happen) and resurrections after death.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#16 Mar 25, 2014
ChristINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion serves only to enslave and control people mentally..
and keep them stupid..it needs to be eradicated
www.evilbible.com
www.thereligionofpeace.com
I agree 100% "Religion poisons everything."
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#17 Mar 25, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
if you are honest with yourself you will come to accept this FACT: There are NO contemporary accounts of Jesus outside of the bible. The important word here is CONTEMPORARY. There are historians who have written about Jesus decades after his life, but those are simply stories about a man called Jesus passed down by word of mouth. In fact there appears to have been many men with the name of Jesus who roamed the countryside preaching. The Romans were known to be very accurate record keepers especially with those they executed, and many of these executions were crucifixions. There are NO records of anyone named Jesus being crucified.
Jesus is a myth, and fantastic story passed down over the years, complete with miracles (which never happen) and resurrections after death.

unconvinced by your marxist lies. So you are either ignorant or just another liar. There are no scholars who accept these fringe beliefs of yours.

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_histor...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
The Evidence for the Existence of Jesus
http://youtu.be/cDoMerykoCY

-Jesus is recorded.
-Jesus' death on the cross.
-Jesus' Christian followers.
-Some believe the missing body of Jesus is also recorded!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth_Inscrip...
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#18 Mar 25, 2014
MARXISM is EVIL wrote:
Religion serves only to enslave and control people mentally..
and keep them stupid..it needs to be eradicated
www.evilbible.com
www.thereligionofpeace.com

Your pagan religion has you an enslaved servant of the Gov. You sellout to the highest bidder with no moral compass otherwise.

Repeat anything from your websites? Im not going looking for your non-existent arguments.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#19 Mar 26, 2014
socci wrote:
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unconvinced by your marxist lies. So you are either ignorant or just another liar. There are no scholars who accept these fringe beliefs of yours.
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_histor...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
The Evidence for the Existence of Jesus
http://youtu.be/cDoMerykoCY
-Jesus is recorded.
-Jesus' death on the cross.
-Jesus' Christian followers.
-Some believe the missing body of Jesus is also recorded!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth_Inscrip...
You appear to be completely uninformed, or maybe you just deny the facts on the lack of evidence for Jesus. Here are the facts:

The existence of Jesus has NOT been historically proven. None of the secular historians from Rome of Israel between 1AD and 33AD ever mentioned Jesus. He is not mentioned in any historical document or accounts of that time period. Noe doesn't it stand to reason that if anyone as important as Jesus, someone who performed unbelievable miracles, would be mentioned at great lengths by historians from that time period. Please note the reference to SECULAR HISTORIANS.

There are a great many biblical historians who doubt the existence of Jesus:

L. Michael White, professor from the University of Texas. "The Gospels are NOT biographies in the modern sense of the word, they are "stories" told in such a way as to evoke a certain image of Jesus for a particular audience. Think of these "stories" as a kind of preaching, that is what the gospel about Jesus really are."

Paula Fredriksen professor of the appreciation of scriptures: "The gospel area kind of religious advertisement , and shouldn't be taken as any kind of historical evidence for the existence of Jesus"

Allen Callahan professor Harvard Divinity: "You cannot take the Gospels as factual accounts of the life of Jesus. The Gospels are of little value as eyewitness accounts of his life."

Oh, and I love you "non-biased" site " "DIVINE EVIDENCE" Too funny, as if there is any evidence whatsoever connected to anything "divine.

You Tacitus does NOT count as any kind of evidence as his writing were decades after the life of Jesus. If you want to count stories told and retold hundreds of times as evidence, then your standards of evidence are extremely low. We all know the experiment were a story is told to one person and then retold to another and then another. Pass this story on between 20 people and by the time it gets back to the original story teller it is now a completely different story, is this what you want to submit as evidence? ha ha ha ha ha
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#20 Mar 26, 2014
socci wrote:
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Your pagan religion has you an enslaved servant of the Gov. You sellout to the highest bidder with no moral compass otherwise.
Repeat anything from your websites? Im not going looking for your non-existent arguments.
I have no religion, nor am I particularly involved in politics, so you lose on both counts.

No or course you're not going to look at anything that might show evidence contrary to your beliefs. This makes you in possession of one of the worst human traits possible, its called "being willfully ignorant." Close minded, cowardly, shaking with fear, that some evidence might stare you in the face that conflicts with your delusional beliefs. Pathetic!!
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#21 Mar 26, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I have no religion, nor am I particularly involved in politics, so you lose on both counts.
No or course you're not going to look at anything that might show evidence contrary to your beliefs. This makes you in possession of one of the worst human traits possible, its called "being willfully ignorant." Close minded, cowardly, shaking with fear, that some evidence might stare you in the face that conflicts with your delusional beliefs. Pathetic!!
no, you are the one who is ignorant and living in fantasy. the truth is, God and Miracles are real. i have witnessed a real Miracle last June 30, 2011. not only me, many others around the world have experienced real Miracles in their lifetime. Miracles are proofs of Gods existence. if you do not believe in God and Miracles, then are living in fantasy. you badly need a medication.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#22 Mar 26, 2014
andet1987 wrote:
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no, you are the one who is ignorant and living in fantasy. the truth is, God and Miracles are real. i have witnessed a real Miracle last June 30, 2011. not only me, many others around the world have experienced real Miracles in their lifetime. Miracles are proofs of Gods existence. if you do not believe in God and Miracles, then are living in fantasy. you badly need a medication.
If miracles are real, then like anything else that is real, you should be able to prove them. Go ahead, be my guest, supply your scientific evidence that shows miracles to be real. Not just your word that something happened to you, thats personal testimony, and not evidence. You can't even use personal testimony in a court of law. Hearsay doesn't do it for you either, that is not acceptable as evidence, also not allowed in a court of law.

"Oh my brother in law was abducted by the fish God from Neptune, I saw it myself, and all the neighbors also saw it. He was taken on a big ship that looked like a giant fish, and in a moment he was wisked to Neptune. Five minutes later he was back, they gave him a baby fish God to take care of, he's in the garage now, in a small aquarium." "You have to believe me because I said it happened and a lot of other people witnessed it."

Sooo..........produce your scientific evidence for miracles, as science is the ONLY way, to prove whether or not something is real......ready...set......... .GO!!!! OH Yeah, can't do it can ya...yeah, I thought so. No such thing as miracles, you're lying your ass off!!!! fake........delusional liar!!!! ha ha ha ha

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