“DET. 065 Adjutant”

Since: Jul 07

Panama City, FL

#22 Oct 2, 2007
You eat your E-coli infected
grocery store crap. You never here any of that amongst hunters.
Mandapants

Newark, DE

#23 Oct 2, 2007
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say all you people that are pro-banning are either vegetarians or PETA activists.

If not, you need to go hunting with a real hunter just once. You need to eat what you've killed. And you'd probably enjoy it (the meat, not the killing).

I noticed deer were an increasing problem in south Allentown before I moved down here 3 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten worse in the city. Imagine how it is out here in the boonies (and right next to Valley Forge Park). On a good night, you can easily see 50+ deer when driving through the park. Imagine what those same deer are doing to the vegetation both in the park and in the yards of the neighboring homes. Imagine driving down route 23 in the middle of the day, having to swerve to avoid hitting them.

And you want to ban hunting? Why?

“Mean People Suck”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#24 Oct 2, 2007
I'm not so sure the slob-hunter is a new phenom ... our family has a legend about a great-grandpa who got a new tractor from a rather embarrassed big-city lawyer who killed one cow and wounded another cow and the mule the tractor replaced, and this was back in the days when a tractor was a genuine status symbol.

I also think that cammo clothing ought to be banned outside of combat zones and the field, but that's another discussion.

I'm not sure about attrition in the number of hunters, either. There's been a upsurge in numbers over the last decade, and some of the higher numbers are among girls and women.

I just never cared for the flavor of game, although some deer sausage is pretty good. If I ain't gonna eat it I ain't gonna kill it.

“Mind Your Business!!”

Since: Aug 07

Utah

#25 Oct 2, 2007
mechanic wrote:
<quoted text>
I kind of agree with you but, there are circumstances....
Just as I stated. Hunting purely for sport is cruel. Hunting to eat the meat is fine if that is what you want to do. Our family recently went up the canyon on a little 4-wheeler expedition. We saw a baby deer that had been shot in the head and left. It was very small and most likely still needed its mother. That is cruelty to me. It's pointless.

“Mind Your Business!!”

Since: Aug 07

Utah

#26 Oct 2, 2007
Mandapants wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say all you people that are pro-banning are either vegetarians or PETA activists.
If not, you need to go hunting with a real hunter just once. You need to eat what you've killed. And you'd probably enjoy it (the meat, not the killing).
I noticed deer were an increasing problem in south Allentown before I moved down here 3 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten worse in the city. Imagine how it is out here in the boonies (and right next to Valley Forge Park). On a good night, you can easily see 50+ deer when driving through the park. Imagine what those same deer are doing to the vegetation both in the park and in the yards of the neighboring homes. Imagine driving down route 23 in the middle of the day, having to swerve to avoid hitting them.
And you want to ban hunting? Why?
You are making blind assumptions. I don't agree with hunting purely for sport. If hunters want to eat what they kill, more power to them. I think there should be tighter regulations on hunting. I am not associated with PETA in any way. I am not a vegetarian, but don't prefer to eat red meat because it is not beneficial to my health.
Answer to your problem of "swerving to miss deer in the road", don't drive so fast, be more aware of your surroundings. They are just as entitled to be there as you are. Before that highway was a highway, it was their territory. For the record, some people enjoy being able to watch deer and other animals roam in their natural environment. You are whining about overpopulation problems, when was the last time you watched the discovery channel? How many species of animals are endangered? Why has the delicate ecosystem of our oceans been disrupted? Our oceans are over-fished and underpopulated. People are using hunting and fishing as a means to fill their pockets. I don't see enough people whom are aware of how this is effecting our ecosystem.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#27 Oct 2, 2007
Jayde wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as I stated. Hunting purely for sport is cruel. Hunting to eat the meat is fine if that is what you want to do. Our family recently went up the canyon on a little 4-wheeler expedition. We saw a baby deer that had been shot in the head and left. It was very small and most likely still needed its mother. That is cruelty to me. It's pointless.
You live in a state thate has CWD (chronic wasting disease,a kinda "mad cow" for deer/elk)so perhaps its mother had died from that or it was culled by DNR to prevent spread of the disease. Several states that have it are culling their herds to prevent its spreading.
Sadden in Oklahoma

United States

#28 Oct 2, 2007
A moron with a computer can show up on this forum...

“Mind Your Business!!”

Since: Aug 07

Utah

#29 Oct 2, 2007
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>
You live in a state thate has CWD (chronic wasting disease,a kinda "mad cow" for deer/elk)so perhaps its mother had died from that or it was culled by DNR to prevent spread of the disease. Several states that have it are culling their herds to prevent its spreading.
Yes, that is possible. If that is the case, I stand corrected. If not, then it's sad. Another case of a dumb a** with a gun and no common sense.

“Mind Your Business!!”

Since: Aug 07

Utah

#30 Oct 2, 2007
Sadden in Oklahoma wrote:
A moron with a computer can show up on this forum...
Thanks for the explanation as to why you are here.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#32 Oct 2, 2007
Jayde wrote:
<quoted text>
You are making blind assumptions. I don't agree with hunting purely for sport. If hunters want to eat what they kill, more power to them. I think there should be tighter regulations on hunting. I am not associated with PETA in any way. I am not a vegetarian, but don't prefer to eat red meat because it is not beneficial to my health.
Answer to your problem of "swerving to miss deer in the road", don't drive so fast, be more aware of your surroundings. They are just as entitled to be there as you are. Before that highway was a highway, it was their territory. For the record, some people enjoy being able to watch deer and other animals roam in their natural environment. You are whining about overpopulation problems, when was the last time you watched the discovery channel? How many species of animals are endangered? Why has the delicate ecosystem of our oceans been disrupted? Our oceans are over-fished and underpopulated. People are using hunting and fishing as a means to fill their pockets. I don't see enough people whom are aware of how this is effecting our ecosystem.
You moved to Colorado from California,didn't you?
Life Long Hunter

Kansas City, MO

#33 Oct 2, 2007
Ban hunting? Are you for real? In a country that allows its unborn to be slaughtered by the millions per year? I dont think you people have any clue what goes on outside your own heads.

“Mind Your Business!!”

Since: Aug 07

Utah

#34 Oct 2, 2007
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>You moved to Colorado from California,didn't you?
No. I have never lived in either state. I reside in Utah. Why?
What did you say

Pomeroy, OH

#35 Oct 2, 2007
To Jayde:
I wouldn't want to change your mind for one
moment, nor would I ever want to go into the
woods with you to show you how to hunt like
some would offer on this site.
My reasoning being under no circumstance would I
trust you with a firearm in my presence because
first of all that would scare me, and second of
all you probably wouldn't know what game looked like.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#36 Oct 2, 2007
Jayde wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I have never lived in either state. I reside in Utah. Why?
Curiousity. Your POV is identical to the transplanted Califronians who move to other states then want to change it to what they left. A couple of folks I chat with from Colorado have made the same observation about them.
RightInTune

Columbia, SC

#37 Oct 2, 2007
WildWierdWille wrote:
I'm not so sure the slob-hunter is a new phenom ... our family has a legend about a great-grandpa who got a new tractor from a rather embarrassed big-city lawyer who killed one cow and wounded another cow and the mule the tractor replaced, and this was back in the days when a tractor was a genuine status symbol.
I also think that cammo clothing ought to be banned outside of combat zones and the field, but that's another discussion.
I'm not sure about attrition in the number of hunters, either. There's been a upsurge in numbers over the last decade, and some of the higher numbers are among girls and women.
I just never cared for the flavor of game, although some deer sausage is pretty good. If I ain't gonna eat it I ain't gonna kill it.
The slob-hunter: I wasn't clear in my distinction. The guy you described was obviously highly ignorant of what he was hunting for, and what it looked like. That's way past what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the accepted normative practices of the regular hunter. I made the mistake of using an anecdotal example - it is my experience, limited though it may be, that my anecdote was not the exception, as in the lawyer shooting a cow, but the rule, as in many regular hunters having no taste, nor respect, for the game.

I'm speaking of a group whom I've seen degenerate from a respect for the prey, not to mention meat for the freezer, to a desire weighted to trophies and bragging rights. Consideration for the resource is secondary to the kill. I'm talking about an older group of hunters who, amongst themselves, layed off shooting hen mallards and wood-ducks, even though they were legal bag, because of an awareness of population declines. The genesis of such orgs as DU, Pheasants Forever, Whitetails Unlimited, etc, have their origins in that generation of hunters.

Today, I've seen a hunter bring a barely-live crippled duck into the check station, because it was plumed in it's wedding garb, merely because they wanted to have it mounted, didn't want to "mess it up, and "it was dying anyways." I've seen them cast around to get somebody to take their kill and, failing that throw the carcasses along the road and in the garbage cans because they didn't really want to eat it. Brag about their cripple shots, long shots, etc. I've seen the deer lying along the creek, with merely the head and capes removed. I've seen the hunters take a crack at birds and make no attempt to mark it or go pick it up. It's just a live trap-shoot. When I began my career thirty years, these things happened, but were certainly anecdotal - today it it seems endemic to the group. My view anyhoo. Maybe it's just our area (Western Illinois)? I am far from a root-eating animal righter - I'm just a hunter/wildlife manager who agrees with Aldo Leopold that when we begin to treat wildlife like common commodities, we reap the results.

As far as hunter attrition, you may be right on certain focused groups - archery deer and turkey have certainly seen great leaps in popularity. But I'm amking my point based on overall sales of hunting licenses, and the trend there over the decades is in slow but steady decline.
RightInTune

Columbia, SC

#38 Oct 2, 2007
Mandapants wrote:
I can only imagine it's gotten worse in the city. Imagine how it is out here in the boonies (and right next to Valley Forge Park). On a good night, you can easily see 50+ deer when driving through the park. Imagine what those same deer are doing to the vegetation both in the park and in the yards of the neighboring homes.
If you drive thru that park, as you can also in the Chicago area Forest Preserves, any overabundance as you said is easy to spot. If you can stand in the timber and see very little low vegetation all the way up to head height - if you can look in any direction with little obstruction besides tree trunks, you are likely seeing the overbrowsing that comes from the carrying capacity of the timber being exceeded.

“Mind Your Business!!”

Since: Aug 07

Utah

#39 Oct 3, 2007
What did you say wrote:
To Jayde:
I wouldn't want to change your mind for one
moment, nor would I ever want to go into the
woods with you to show you how to hunt like
some would offer on this site.
My reasoning being under no circumstance would I
trust you with a firearm in my presence because
first of all that would scare me, and second of
all you probably wouldn't know what game looked like.
First of all, your lame attempts to insult me are ridiculous. Hopefully, it made you feel like a bigger person. It is apparent you did not read my post. Not once did I ever say hunting should be outlawed. I stated that the restrictions should be tightened up on over hunted areas. I also stated I disagreed with people who hunt for pure sport instead of food.

“Freedom is not free”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#40 Oct 3, 2007
WildWierdWille wrote:
Actually, the overpopulation of wildlife that would result from an end to hunting would be temporary.
After that temporary period, the animals that people think they are defending would starve to death - a much more cruel way to die by any stretch of the imagination.
That doesn't even take into account the damage to wildlife programs and other nature-related government programs that the loss of the fees generated from hunting licenses would cause.
Most hunters do eat what they kill, and while some do go for trophies they're by far the minority. As a matter of fact, food banks across the country get tons of meat every year that's been donated by hunters.
Banning hunting has a certain emotional appeal, but would actually do far more harm than good.
Well ain't this a miracle. This moonbat used logic, common sense and facts to make a good point. And for ONCE he is right.

Too bad he can't use his intelligence when it comes to politics.
Macon strangler

Oceanside, CA

#41 Oct 3, 2007
Hitesrunprincess wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, I don't think so. Hunting shouldn't be banned. If you don't want to hunt, then don't.
I agree I have family to still hunt for food. I know I do. I enjoy deer, rabbit, and squirrel meat.
Macon strangler

Oceanside, CA

#42 Oct 3, 2007
I meant who not to sorry

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