Why I’m no longer a Christian

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#469146 Jul 6, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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You haven't read the Secret Gospel of Mark, huh?
Naked men aren't allowed in the NT. LOL

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#469147 Jul 6, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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Naked men aren't allowed in the NT. LOL
Just the OT:

"When he [Noah] drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent."

Genesis 9:21 (NIV)

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

Sunburnt Country

#469148 Jul 7, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Just the OT:
"When he [Noah] drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent."
Genesis 9:21 (NIV)
Oh well, at least there was nobody to arrest him for drunk and disorderly - way back then.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469149 Jul 7, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Gday Mac!
Yo, Rosa!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469150 Jul 7, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Oh well, at least there was nobody to arrest him for drunk and disorderly - way back then.
Hmm.

I'd not be too sure about that.

The earliest citation I can find for reckless driving is from 2 Kings:

"He hath reached them, but returneth not. And his driving is like unto the driving of Jehu, son of Nimshi: for he driveth like a madman."

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469151 Jul 7, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Just the OT:
"When he [Noah] drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent."
Genesis 9:21 (NIV)
Well, the NT, too...

"And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked."

It's in Mark, somewhere, with the Last Supper. Odd, and a bit suggestive.
Chess

Columbus, OH

#469153 Jul 7, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Oh well, at least there was nobody to arrest him for drunk and disorderly - way back then.
I guess it was all good back then.
Chess

Columbus, OH

#469154 Jul 7, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the NT, too...
"And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked."
It's in Mark, somewhere, with the Last Supper. Odd, and a bit suggestive.
Yup. Forgot about him. Mark 14 I think at Jesus' arrest.

There is another unnamed young man in Mark 10 that Jesus meets and immediately "loves".

Add in the unnamed young man Jesus raises from the dead and spends the night with in Secret Mark as well as the unnamed young man in Jesus' empty tomb in Mark 16, and you may have wisps of a significant subplot left from an earlier version of Mark -- one that is very suggestive.

Some argue that these unnamed young men are all the same character -- the prototype for both Lazarus and the Beloved Disciple in John.

Seems there was something going on.

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

Sunburnt Country

#469155 Jul 8, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hmm.
I'd not be too sure about that.
The earliest citation I can find for reckless driving is from 2 Kings:
"He hath reached them, but returneth not. And his driving is like unto the driving of Jehu, son of Nimshi: for he driveth like a madman."
LOL! I doubt they had traffic police in those days, or he would have driven over them. Just like he did to poor old Jezebel, the poster girl for dressing too worldly.

There used to be a band called Drive Like Jehu.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469156 Jul 8, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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LOL! I doubt they had traffic police in those days, or he would have driven over them. Just like he did to poor old Jezebel, the poster girl for dressing too worldly.
There used to be a band called Drive Like Jehu.
I seem to recall that stagecoach drivers were sometimes referred to as "Jehus",.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#469157 Jul 8, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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You haven't read the Secret Gospel of Mark, huh?
there is no such thing as a "secret" gospel and therefore you can take it and stick it up your toxic waste down-spout;-)

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#469159 Jul 10, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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there is no such thing as a "secret" gospel and therefore you can take it and stick it up your toxic waste down-spout;-)
And yet there is.

Odd, huh?

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#469160 Jul 11, 2014
Chess wrote:
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Yup. Forgot about him. Mark 14 I think at Jesus' arrest.
There is another unnamed young man in Mark 10 that Jesus meets and immediately "loves".
Add in the unnamed young man Jesus raises from the dead and spends the night with in Secret Mark as well as the unnamed young man in Jesus' empty tomb in Mark 16, and you may have wisps of a significant subplot left from an earlier version of Mark -- one that is very suggestive.
Some argue that these unnamed young men are all the same character -- the prototype for both Lazarus and the Beloved Disciple in John.
Seems there was something going on.
the character jesus the christ as depicted in the christian bible is openly gay.
Chess

Columbus, OH

#469161 Jul 11, 2014
karl44 wrote:
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the character jesus the christ as depicted in the christian bible is openly gay.
"Christ had his John, and I have my George."

-- King James referring to his lover, George Villiers, Earl of Buckingham.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#469164 Jul 17, 2014
So, what have I missed? ;)
Chess

Columbus, OH

#469165 Jul 17, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
So, what have I missed? ;)
Just me.

:)
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Marietta, GA

#469166 Jul 17, 2014
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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#469167 Jul 17, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:

You haven't read the Secret Gospel of Mark, huh?
waaasssuuup wrote:
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there is no such thing as a "secret" gospel and therefore you can take it and stick it up your toxic waste down-spout;-)
Sure there is.....here is a link to the text that says it exists.
http://gnosis.org/library/secm.htm

"In the document, authoritatively attributed to Clement of Alexandria, a "Secret Gospel of Mark" is mentioned. Clement presents fragments from the text of this secret gospel which he claims was at that time in the custody of the Church in Alexandria but kept secret. Perhaps the most important issue confirmed by this letter is the fact that in Clement's time "hierophantic teachings of the Lord" and Gospel texts now lost were still transmitted within the church to a select group of Christians. Fragments attributed to the Secret Gospel of Mark are shown below in italics."

Why do cover your eyes to facts? Are you scared of the truth?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469168 Jul 17, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
So, what have I missed? ;)
Fear not, brethren and sistren. I am with you yet.

Or, in the vernacular, "Hi, y'all!"

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#469170 Jul 19, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Chess Jurist wrote:
You haven't read the Secret Gospel of Mark, huh?
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Sure there is.....here is a link to the text that says it exists.
http://gnosis.org/library/secm.htm
"In the document, authoritatively attributed to Clement of Alexandria, a "Secret Gospel of Mark" is mentioned. Clement presents fragments from the text of this secret gospel which he claims was at that time in the custody of the Church in Alexandria but kept secret. Perhaps the most important issue confirmed by this letter is the fact that in Clement's time "hierophantic teachings of the Lord" and Gospel texts now lost were still transmitted within the church to a select group of Christians. Fragments attributed to the Secret Gospel of Mark are shown below in italics."
Why do cover your eyes to facts? Are you scared of the truth?
It is a fact.

About 50 years ago Morton Smith claimed to have found a partial copy of a letter from Clement of Alexandria quoting two passages from a version of the Gospel of Mark.

I believe the letter to be a genuine Clementine text.

Arguments against it in recent times have been mostly theologically motivated and failed attempts to discredited it. But enter BAR and two hired experts with mixed results, the negative result being savaged by a former student of Smith.

Regardless, I have one of the few first editions of Smith's brilliant but flawed scholarly commentary on his find, "Clement of Alexandria and a Secret Gospel of Mark" -- available for a mere $500.

For an extra $200, I'll have him sign it.

What? He's dead?

Looks like that signature will cost a bit more.

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