Why I’m no longer a Christian

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469539 Aug 25, 2014
Senecus wrote:
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LOL!
Jak sie masz , Mac ?
Me mum's tongue ;)
Oh, I'm pret' good, thanks.

Note that I don't actually speak Polack - I just have the odd phrase...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469540 Aug 25, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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Yeah, Oban has a lot right on its doorstep and is a great point to pick up a ferry to Mull, Skye, Lewis, Harris, etc.
I've always liked the Islay malts: Laphraoig, Ardbeg, Bowmore, Lagavulin, etc, although they can be a bit peaty for some people.
I grew up in the West of Ireland. Peat smoke is mother's milk to me...

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#469541 Aug 25, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I grew up in the West of Ireland. Peat smoke is mother's milk to me...
"In the sweet county Limerick one cold winter's night....."

“let's do this thang!”

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#469542 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
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1) Never said that it was. In my opinion you are wrong. Peacefully standing up for rights, takes much more strength than bullying your way through.
2) I never said that all Christians are disciples(.) I simply pointed out that there are female disciples found within the bible, after you said females can not be disciples. All the other topics you pulled out of your hat simply to divert the conversation away from the point you made...still stands btw.
i never diverted the conversation away from my position that there is not one example in the New Testament where Jesus commisioned a woman as a disciple to preach the Gospel nor in acts or the epistles where the apostles did. you did NOT provide an example, but you only submitted conjecure and it was extra-biblical conjecure at that!:-)

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#469543 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
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I live what I believe to be my calling, daily. I believe that God has a higher calling than you believe for women.
LOL! what could be a higher calling than to birth and nurchur souls whern they are the most impressionable??? in this respect, woman get to 'make disciples of all nations' much more than men do!

“let's do this thang!”

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#469544 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
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No. It's not true. You placed the salvation of someone else on another. When does God come in?
huh? mike said that you're better at ministering the Gospel and you mantain that you're a disciple so i was just sending some business your way.

btw - ministering the Gospel in authority and with signs following is not just about being a nicey-nice doormat person. many blasphemers are 'nice' people too but are also as far away from God as heaven is from hell;-)

“let's do this thang!”

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#469545 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
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So God leaves folks behind because they don't believe?
"depart from Me, I never knew you" - Jesus

cmon, sis! if you want to be a disciple of JESUS you're gonna hafta know Him and His Word!

“let's do this thang!”

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#469547 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
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Questions are not condemnation.
it's VERY interesting where your alliance is and how you're challenging everything i say, but not what those who are opposing Christ and i say!

i think from henceforth i'm gonna use the word "sis/sister" more discretely!

"those who are not for Me are against Me and those who do not gather with Me scatter abroad" - Jesus

“let's do this thang!”

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#469548 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
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What is grace and is it only for Christians?
how's about this - you actually read the Bible and then we'll be able to talk Bible doctrine???

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Since: Aug 10

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#469549 Aug 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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Whoa! There's that blood fixation again.
What is it with you guys and blood?
When is the penny going to drop with Christianity? Death, martyrdom, suffering, pain, loss, blood, these are not concepts with which any brand would want to be identified. If that's the core of your message, no wonder you've got a problem.
maybe NoStress can tell you why the Blood of Christ is necessary to atone for sin.....

NoStress, can you please take this?:-)

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Since: Aug 10

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#469550 Aug 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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Do you really understand what the Golden Rule is about?
It's all about ethical goodness on a reciprocal basis and you'll see it manifested in numerous religions in many different words. Jesus mentions it in the NT although he was far from being the first.
I'm sure you'll agree that wishing no harm or suffering on others is understandably a good thing. Yet harm is exactly what your god wishes on people and he expects his followers to obey him and break the Golden Rule.
Surely the merit of any religion isn't what you believe in but more about what you do? In other words, it's all about how you treat your fellow human beings. Extending the same treatment to other people that you would expect them to extend to you is undoubtedly the pinnacle of human ethical behaviour.
Also, if God/Allah/Brahma/Shiva/etc, really do exist, yet they insist that we humans must break the Golden Rule to get to Heaven; then they aren't worth thinking about.
Let's look at the god of the Bible: His main condition for us to get our pass for Heaven is not about treating our fellow humans decently and respectfully. Oh no, the Golden Rule doesn't matter to God. All that matters to him is that we love Jesus more than anyone else and with every fibre of our being.
You may like the idea of spending eternity with such a vain, egotistical, self-centred deity but not me.
i guess like in germany circa 30-40's, the golden rule applies differently according to the culture depending on what you believe. they thought it was their moral obligation to exterminate another race.

i believe God and His idea of morality which doesn't change according to culture.

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Since: Aug 10

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#469551 Aug 26, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Seether!
NoStress is a very nice person, huh? does she care enough to tell you what Christ said, that "except you repent, you shall likewise perish"???

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#469552 Aug 26, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i guess like in germany circa 30-40's, the golden rule applies differently according to the culture depending on what you believe. they thought it was their moral obligation to exterminate another race.
i believe God and His idea of morality which doesn't change according to culture.
The Germany of 1930s and 1940s was an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Much more so than the US is now.

The vast majority of the German population was Christian, as was the religious clergy.

The ethics and morals of an overwhelmingly Christian country were all that stood between the Jews and death.

In other words, nothing at all.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#469553 Aug 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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"In the sweet county Limerick one cold winter's night....."
Hehehe.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#469554 Aug 26, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:

I live what I believe to be my calling, daily. I believe that God has a higher calling than you believe for women.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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LOL! what could be a higher calling than to birth and nurchur souls whern they are the most impressionable??? in this respect, woman get to 'make disciples of all nations' much more than men do!
....then why does the Bible speak as if thy are 2nd class citizens....

1 Corinthians 14:34
NIV: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

1 Timothy 2:12
NIV: I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

I guess all the women here are in the wrong. Shame on you!!

:o)

FYI - I don't believe that these passages are true in any respect, ladies.....you can go anywhere and say anything you wish. Just don't let men or the Bible tell you what you should do.

This is a clear indication that many so-called "Christian" women don't believe the Bible either and thus are not telling the truth when they say they do.

I wonder why men think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus:

(114)

(1) Simon Peter said to them: "Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life."
(2) Jesus said: "Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male,
so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you."
(3)(But I say to you): "Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#469555 Aug 26, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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maybe NoStress can tell you why the Blood of Christ is necessary to atone for sin.....
NoStress, can you please take this?:-)
Whoops! Nearly missed this one.

Yes, it would be interesting to know how it is an omnipotent cosmic mega-being is unable to just forgive everyone their misdemeanours.

What kind of parent plots and schemes to have his son painfully killed?

When I say "killed". I use it in its least possible sense.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#469556 Aug 26, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
i believe God and His idea of morality which doesn't change according to culture.
Yet the Bible tells us how God instructed his followers to kill other human beings.

Where does that fit in the Golden Rule?

It doesn't.

If you think about it, the god of the Bible must have known about the Golden Rule and how it is one of the highest measures of good ethical behaviour. What can any church, mosque, synagogue, temple, etc, teach me that is more important than the Golden Rule? Yet God chose to ignore it until the New Testament.

At this point it may be useful to bear in mind that during the time that God was ignoring the Golden Rule, other belief systems (Hinduism, Jainism) were advocating its use.

I know that the NT is a big improvement on the OT. Perhaps those that wrote the scrolls realised that they needed to catch up with other religions. However, it doesn't change the fact that the Bible tells us how the supreme creator being of the universe once wanted people who believed in other gods to be killed. Surely you can see that as a flagrant denial of the Golden Rule? For me, that alone is reason enough to find the god of the Bible a wholly unacceptable deity.

Think about the hundreds of thousands of books that have been written about Christianity. In all the centuries that these books were written, how many are dedicated to what really matters (The Golden Rule). I suspect that the answer is very few indeed.

In summary: the NT tells us that the main condition for getting into Heaven is not that we observe the Golden Rule. Instead, it's that we love Jesus, and to God, that is more important than following the Golden Rule. It's not nice to harm your fellow humans but as long as you end up loving Jesus with all your heart then you'll be ok for your ticket to Heaven.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#469557 Aug 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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The Germany of 1930s and 1940s was an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Much more so than the US is now.
The vast majority of the German population was Christian, as was the religious clergy.
The ethics and morals of an overwhelmingly Christian country were all that stood between the Jews and death.
In other words, nothing at all.
hi there satan posing as khutra - nice try!;-)

hey NoStress - here's another one of your friends calling Christ and christians murderers. i think he needs a hug.....

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#469558 Aug 26, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
NoStress4me wrote:
I live what I believe to be my calling, daily. I believe that God has a higher calling than you believe for women.
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....then why does the Bible speak as if thy are 2nd class citizens....
1 Corinthians 14:34
NIV: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
1 Timothy 2:12
NIV: I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
I guess all the women here are in the wrong. Shame on you!!
:o)
FYI - I don't believe that these passages are true in any respect, ladies.....you can go anywhere and say anything you wish. Just don't let men or the Bible tell you what you should do.
This is a clear indication that many so-called "Christian" women don't believe the Bible either and thus are not telling the truth when they say they do.
I wonder why men think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus:
(114)
(1) Simon Peter said to them: "Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life."
(2) Jesus said: "Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male,
so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you."
(3)(But I say to you): "Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."
umm....i'm not allowed to talk to new age warlocks

STRANGER DANGER.....STRANGER DANGER!!!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#469559 Aug 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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Whoops! Nearly missed this one.
Yes, it would be interesting to know how it is an omnipotent cosmic mega-being is unable to just forgive everyone their misdemeanours.
What kind of parent plots and schemes to have his son painfully killed?
When I say "killed". I use it in its least possible sense.
cmon satan, you know the drill....now get thee behind me so you can sniff my farts as i walk victoriously and own and occupy the world for Jesus.....

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