Why I’m no longer a Christian
Observotron

Charlotte, NC

#468450 Feb 22, 2014
Cite that, jailbird.
Lost In Transition

New York, NY

#468451 Feb 24, 2014
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
The soul is immortal...what space or place will it inhabit?

What will the soul look like?
It will occupy it's place, until it no longer has one.
Then, I don't know.

It will look like the only thing it knows.
Until it knows something else.
Observotron

Asheville, NC

#468453 Feb 25, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Cite your source.
Your main sources seems to be topix, Google, Wiki, and whatever you can pull out of water_nymph's ass.

Cite that, jailbird.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#468454 Feb 25, 2014
cup of coffee wrote:
An atheist attempted to kill 2 people this week in a church.(it happens all day everywhere), we just hear of a few each day.
Why are all of you dishonest atheists always pointing the fingers at Christians when it is YOU that commit all the heinous crimes we see on the nightly news?
Atheists are on a rampage of death and should be considered as highly dangerous
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Cite your source.
I agree.

When someone makes such a claim to delibrately admonish others, they should include their source.

Evidently c-o-c must be a troll with a Atheist agenda....*shrugs*....

Here are some links to some "Atheist killings" that happened recently.....

--none--

I honestly didn't think I would find anything recent. The poster who made the claim is probably looking to get others aggitated. If I know Atheists as well as I do, I think the poster's attempt failed.

On a side note - I did find this story - a Christian killing an Atheist in 2004
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

Then I found this article, and I thought it was an interesting comparison....
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4076

So who has been the worst throughout history: atheist regimes or religious regimes? Obviously the big numbers come from the 20th century superpowers (China, Russia, Germany) so the answer depends on how you classify those. And this is where the meat of these debates is usually found, splitting hairs on which regime is atheist, which is merely secular, which is non-Christian and thus fair game to be called atheist. Hitchens points out that Stalin's government had all the trappings of religion, including Orwell's totalitarian theocracy, and thus it's merely a play on words to say that it was not religious. Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist monk who grew up to execute Buddhist monks, along with anyone else he could lay his hands on. Whole books have been written on the occult underpinnings of Nazi Germany, the symbology of the Norse gods, to say nothing of the claims that Hitler was a Christian, Hitler was a Jew, and his own writings expressing the kinship he felt with the Muslims. A favorite counterpoint raised by Christian debaters is that these despots practiced Social Darwinism and were thus atheists by definition. In summary, the winner of these debates is the one who can convince the other that the big 20th century genocidal maniacs were motivated either by religion or by a desire to destroy religion. The entire debate is the logical fallacy of the excluded middle.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#468455 Feb 25, 2014
I'm no longer a christian because I realised somethings that I'd forgotten I already knew.

There's no deities in existence.

Talking to yourself without taking any kind of action, does nothing, this is called prayer.

Religious people are insane.

The bible is full of bloody, murder death kill and lies.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#468456 Feb 25, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
I'm no longer a christian because I realised somethings that I'd forgotten I already knew.
There's no deities in existence.
Talking to yourself without taking any kind of action, does nothing, this is called prayer.
Religious people are insane.
The bible is full of bloody, murder death kill and lies.
Let me ask you Doc, What is the expectation of prayer?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#468457 Feb 25, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text>Let me ask you Doc, What is the expectation of prayer?
For myself, I honestly don't know but christians think it's the same as helping someone or themselves.

I never understood it in that context as it changes nothing in our physical reality.

Some people believe prayer to be a form of comfort or positive self talk, in that context I can sort of see how it may make a person feel better and can also see why the jesus character told people to pray in private.

My ex mother in law is a sad case. She is miserable, addicted to morphine, in an abusive marriage, shunned by most of her family, which includes her seven children and completely delusional.

She should be in care due to health reasons I won't go into and her husband collects cater payments yet works full time and she is left alone, to hurt herself further.

He children bury their heads in the sand, go about their lives and pray for her.

She endures, babbling about god and prayer, which does nothing, no joy, no peace, nothing.

These people are christians, they protect a pedophile relative, they enabled my abusive ex, they enable their abusive father and they think they can tell me how to live and what to believe, because I dared to leave the church and got the hell away from them before they could do too much damage to my children and myself.

No deity or prayer required, I changed my life for the better, me.

All their praying got them nowhere in court either and they're lucky I didn't have them charged for kidnapping my boys.

This religion, damages people, the above is barely a tiny dot in a worldwide phenomenon of death and pain.

For something that doesn't even exist.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#468458 Feb 25, 2014
*carer payments

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#468459 Feb 25, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
For myself, I honestly don't know but christians think it's the same as helping someone or themselves.
I never understood it in that context as it changes nothing in our physical reality.
Some people believe prayer to be a form of comfort or positive self talk, in that context I can sort of see how it may make a person feel better and can also see why the jesus character told people to pray in private.
My ex mother in law is a sad case. She is miserable, addicted to morphine, in an abusive marriage, shunned by most of her family, which includes her seven children and completely delusional.
She should be in care due to health reasons I won't go into and her husband collects cater payments yet works full time and she is left alone, to hurt herself further.
He children bury their heads in the sand, go about their lives and pray for her.
She endures, babbling about god and prayer, which does nothing, no joy, no peace, nothing.
These people are christians, they protect a pedophile relative, they enabled my abusive ex, they enable their abusive father and they think they can tell me how to live and what to believe, because I dared to leave the church and got the hell away from them before they could do too much damage to my children and myself.
No deity or prayer required, I changed my life for the better, me.
All their praying got them nowhere in court either and they're lucky I didn't have them charged for kidnapping my boys.
This religion, damages people, the above is barely a tiny dot in a worldwide phenomenon of death and pain.
For something that doesn't even exist.
You said "talking to yourself w/out taking any action" Therein lies a lot of the problem. Faith w/out works is dead. one prays for help and guidance in their lives when times are bad, yet they continue to stay in the situation and not trying to remove themselves from it. I mean, if one believes, do they think it's just gonna be handed to them. Humbling ones self and opening up of the heart is a powerful step, but ya got to get up off your @$$ and take it. A lot of people want their cake and eat it to (Instant Gratification) How could one have Faith and Belief in prayer, when they don't have it for themselves. the Bible says, "Commit Thy Ways To God, Trust In Him And It Shall Come To Pass, Be Still And Know I Am God" Meaning he works in his own way in his own time. For anyone to want help from God, one has to be willing to help him, help you. I mean no disrespect to you or your ex's, but it seems they're just expecting this power to do everything for them, w/out them putting any effort to help themselves. you're a smart woman Doc and i respect you a lot for overcoming what you say you have, I know it wasn't easy, I to have overcome a lot in my life and still yet have more, Jesus and the old prophets speak highly of people that overcome, but they also speak of , Pride Coming Before A Fall. I wish you well Doc and i hope your mom-n-law can overcome her addiction because she is surely in he!!, as any addict that's been there can say, Myself included.. Thanks for the reply Doc, Peace!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#468460 Feb 26, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
cup of coffee wrote:
An atheist attempted to kill 2 people this week in a church.(it happens all day everywhere), we just hear of a few each day.
Why are all of you dishonest atheists always pointing the fingers at Christians when it is YOU that commit all the heinous crimes we see on the nightly news?
Atheists are on a rampage of death and should be considered as highly dangerous
<quoted text>
I agree.
When someone makes such a claim to delibrately admonish others, they should include their source.
Evidently c-o-c must be a troll with a Atheist agenda....*shrugs*....
Here are some links to some "Atheist killings" that happened recently.....
--none--
I honestly didn't think I would find anything recent. The poster who made the claim is probably looking to get others aggitated. If I know Atheists as well as I do, I think the poster's attempt failed.
On a side note - I did find this story - a Christian killing an Atheist in 2004
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Then I found this article, and I thought it was an interesting comparison....
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4076
So who has been the worst throughout history: atheist regimes or religious regimes? Obviously the big numbers come from the 20th century superpowers (China, Russia, Germany) so the answer depends on how you classify those. And this is where the meat of these debates is usually found, splitting hairs on which regime is atheist, which is merely secular, which is non-Christian and thus fair game to be called atheist. Hitchens points out that Stalin's government had all the trappings of religion, including Orwell's totalitarian theocracy, and thus it's merely a play on words to say that it was not religious. Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist monk who grew up to execute Buddhist monks, along with anyone else he could lay his hands on. Whole books have been written on the occult underpinnings of Nazi Germany, the symbology of the Norse gods, to say nothing of the claims that Hitler was a Christian, Hitler was a Jew, and his own writings expressing the kinship he felt with the Muslims. A favorite counterpoint raised by Christian debaters is that these despots practiced Social Darwinism and were thus atheists by definition. In summary, the winner of these debates is the one who can convince the other that the big 20th century genocidal maniacs were motivated either by religion or by a desire to destroy religion. The entire debate is the logical fallacy of the excluded middle.
"Here are some links to some "Atheist killings" that happened recently.....
--none--"

LOL! more people have been mass-murdered under recent atheist/socialist/communist rule than all people murdered throughout history combined!

go back to your lying hole, liar!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#468461 Feb 26, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
"Here are some links to some "Atheist killings" that happened recently.....
--none--"
LOL! more people have been mass-murdered under recent atheist/socialist/communist rule than all people murdered throughout history combined!
go back to your lying hole, liar!
I guess we have a difference of opinion on what "recent" actually means.

IMO - recent is within 5 years. For my last response related to this, I went back 10 years as being recent.

Give it up waaasssuuup - your version is only yours.

from dictionary.com

re·cent/&#712;ris&#601 ;nt/[ree-suhnt]
adjective
1. of late occurrence, appearance, or origin; lately happening, done, made, etc.: recent events; a recent trip.
2. not long past: in recent years.
3. of or belonging to a time not long past.
4.( initial capital letter ) Geology . noting or pertaining to the present epoch, originating at the end of the glacial period, about 10,000 years ago, and forming the latter half of the Quaternary Period; Holocene. See table under geologic time.

**********

Making an exception for just the "epoch" definition - you have failed miserably.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#468462 Feb 26, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text>You said "talking to yourself w/out taking any action" Therein lies a lot of the problem. Faith w/out works is dead. one prays for help and guidance in their lives when times are bad, yet they continue to stay in the situation and not trying to remove themselves from it. I mean, if one believes, do they think it's just gonna be handed to them. Humbling ones self and opening up of the heart is a powerful step, but ya got to get up off your @$$ and take it. A lot of people want their cake and eat it to (Instant Gratification) How could one have Faith and Belief in prayer, when they don't have it for themselves. the Bible says, "Commit Thy Ways To God, Trust In Him And It Shall Come To Pass, Be Still And Know I Am God" Meaning he works in his own way in his own time. For anyone to want help from God, one has to be willing to help him, help you. I mean no disrespect to you or your ex's, but it seems they're just expecting this power to do everything for them, w/out them putting any effort to help themselves. you're a smart woman Doc and i respect you a lot for overcoming what you say you have, I know it wasn't easy, I to have overcome a lot in my life and still yet have more, Jesus and the old prophets speak highly of people that overcome, but they also speak of , Pride Coming Before A Fall. I wish you well Doc and i hope your mom-n-law can overcome her addiction because she is surely in he!!, as any addict that's been there can say, Myself included.. Thanks for the reply Doc, Peace!
See, that's circular reasoning to me.

"Faith without works is dead."

Work is possible without faith.

Talking to yourself is possible without works and faith.

Faith in something non existent is unnecessary for many.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#468463 Feb 26, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
See, that's circular reasoning to me.
"Faith without works is dead."
Work is possible without faith.
Talking to yourself is possible without works and faith.
Faith in something non existent is unnecessary for many.
Yes it is very possible. One must at least have Faith in themselves. One must Believe he can Overcome anything with Faith in himself, and Hope that one has made the right choices for all those involved. Knowing in how to live and doing the right thing is something every human should have enough common sense (everyday knowledge) to do w/out any o/side influence. Prayer gives Hope to those who need something to believe in. Sometimes I think that my mothers Prayers have keep me Alive!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#468464 Feb 27, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess we have a difference of opinion on what "recent" actually means.
IMO - recent is within 5 years. For my last response related to this, I went back 10 years as being recent.
Give it up waaasssuuup - your version is only yours.
from dictionary.com
re·cent/&#712;ris&#601 ;nt/[ree-suhnt]
adjective
1. of late occurrence, appearance, or origin; lately happening, done, made, etc.: recent events; a recent trip.
2. not long past: in recent years.
3. of or belonging to a time not long past.
4.( initial capital letter ) Geology . noting or pertaining to the present epoch, originating at the end of the glacial period, about 10,000 years ago, and forming the latter half of the Quaternary Period; Holocene. See table under geologic time.
**********
Making an exception for just the "epoch" definition - you have failed miserably.
apparently you're not considering what's going on right now in north korea and behind the bamboo and islamic curtains!

btw - IMO islam is more of a brutal socialist regime than it is religious one cuz the True God is non-existant in it's philosophies.

also, i apologize for my harsh personal remarks previously, but absurd accusations from folks often get the best of me:-)

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#468465 Feb 27, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> Yes it is very possible. One must at least have Faith in themselves. One must Believe he can Overcome anything with Faith in himself, and Hope that one has made the right choices for all those involved. Knowing in how to live and doing the right thing is something every human should have enough common sense (everyday knowledge) to do w/out any o/side influence. Prayer gives Hope to those who need something to believe in. Sometimes I think that my mothers Prayers have keep me Alive!
Very possibly your concern for your mother has kept you strong and on the right path. Fear that you may let her down, knowing how much your mother loves you and wishes for you to be well. Her happiness is forever tied up with the success and failure of her children, with or without prayer or god.

And yes, every human should have enough common sense to live a decent life without influence.
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Marietta, GA

#468466 Feb 27, 2014
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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#468467 Feb 27, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess we have a difference of opinion on what "recent" actually means.
IMO - recent is within 5 years. For my last response related to this, I went back 10 years as being recent.
Give it up waaasssuuup - your version is only yours.
from dictionary.com
re·cent/&#712;ris&#601 ;nt/[ree-suhnt]
adjective
1. of late occurrence, appearance, or origin; lately happening, done, made, etc.: recent events; a recent trip.
2. not long past: in recent years.
3. of or belonging to a time not long past.
4.( initial capital letter ) Geology . noting or pertaining to the present epoch, originating at the end of the glacial period, about 10,000 years ago, and forming the latter half of the Quaternary Period; Holocene. See table under geologic time.
**********
Making an exception for just the "epoch" definition - you have failed miserably.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
apparently you're not considering what's going on right now in north korea and behind the bamboo and islamic curtains!
btw - IMO islam is more of a brutal socialist regime than it is religious one cuz the True God is non-existant in it's philosophies.
also, i apologize for my harsh personal remarks previously, but absurd accusations from folks often get the best of me:-)
Don't switch up the discussion - we were talking about kills by Atheists. I couldn't find any in the past ten years - recent history - and here you are including other religions.

C'mon waaasssuuup - I told you many times, if you make the claim, I will expect you to follow-up with honesty and provide the sources for your claim.

I couldn't find any killings, but here you are giving me your opinion WITHOUT ANY evidence.

You'll have to do better than this.

And yes - thank you for the apology.

Cheers!

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#468468 Feb 27, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
apparently you're not considering what's going on right now in north korea and behind the bamboo and islamic curtains!
btw - IMO islam is more of a brutal socialist regime than it is religious one cuz the True God is non-existant in it's philosophies.
also, i apologize for my harsh personal remarks previously, but absurd accusations from folks often get the best of me:-)
The mere absence of any true Gods in Islam does not render it a non-religion, any more than the lack of any true Gods makes Christianity a non-religion.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#468469 Feb 27, 2014
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
The mere absence of any true Gods in Islam does not render it a non-religion, any more than the lack of any true Gods makes Christianity a non-religion.
lol! the lack of your ability to save yourself makes yours a very weak and pathetic religion;-)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#468470 Feb 27, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess we have a difference of opinion on what "recent" actually means.
IMO - recent is within 5 years. For my last response related to this, I went back 10 years as being recent.
Give it up waaasssuuup - your version is only yours.
from dictionary.com
re·cent/&#712;ris&#601 ;nt/[ree-suhnt]
adjective
1. of late occurrence, appearance, or origin; lately happening, done, made, etc.: recent events; a recent trip.
2. not long past: in recent years.
3. of or belonging to a time not long past.
4.( initial capital letter ) Geology . noting or pertaining to the present epoch, originating at the end of the glacial period, about 10,000 years ago, and forming the latter half of the Quaternary Period; Holocene. See table under geologic time.
**********
Making an exception for just the "epoch" definition - you have failed miserably.
<quoted text>
Don't switch up the discussion - we were talking about kills by Atheists. I couldn't find any in the past ten years - recent history - and here you are including other religions.
C'mon waaasssuuup - I told you many times, if you make the claim, I will expect you to follow-up with honesty and provide the sources for your claim.
I couldn't find any killings, but here you are giving me your opinion WITHOUT ANY evidence.
You'll have to do better than this.
And yes - thank you for the apology.
Cheers!
okay lets cut to the chase:

what the hell is it that you believe again???

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