Why I知 no longer a Christian

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Sep 27, 2013
 
im a villije odiot slimey spamm trolle and i aint foolin no one i hv anel worts

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Liam R wrote:
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Gee, you mean that a group of people who KNEW what the prophecies concerning the Messiah said recognized the fact that Jesus failed to fulfill the prophecies?
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<quoted text>Jesus fulfilled the prophecies......
Jesus never existed. He's a myth, based on older myths.

Get an education.
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Of course. They were right, IF Jesus ever tried to pretend that he was somehow equal to the God of the Bible, it would have been blasphemy, a sin worthy of stoning.
However, that is not what happened. That was invented later, by the authors who were trying to spread their religion in Rome, so they could not tell the truth and make the Romans look bad. Rather, since the Temple had already been destroyed, making the Jews the scapegoat for the death of Jesus, the authors could suck up to Rome.
The myth of Jesus being "the" Son of God, or even a god himself, was a later addition, not invented until long after Jesus was rotted in his grave.
And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

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Liam R wrote:
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Of course. They were right, IF Jesus ever tried to pretend that he was somehow equal to the God of the Bible, it would have been blasphemy, a sin worthy of stoning.
However, that is not what happened. That was invented later, by the authors who were trying to spread their religion in Rome, so they could not tell the truth and make the Romans look bad. Rather, since the Temple had already been destroyed, making the Jews the scapegoat for the death of Jesus, the authors could suck up to Rome.
The myth of Jesus being "the" Son of God, or even a god himself, was a later addition, not invented until long after Jesus was rotted in his grave.
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<quoted text>And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
It's still nothing but myth. You just don't want to understand that, do you?

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Sep 28, 2013
 
Where's T-Town? I kinda miss that muddy little fur ball.

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Sep 28, 2013
 
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
It took me a moment to recognize that as the hallucination of John. Too bad for you that it does nothing to help your point...
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It took me a moment to recognize that as the hallucination of John. Too bad for you that it does nothing to help your point...
It is a vision and a prediction of what's to come.
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2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw...
The author of GoJohn lied.
As I understand it, there is NOT ONE miracle attributed to Jesus that had not been previously ascribed to one of the prophets in the Old Testament.
Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.

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Sep 28, 2013
 
duststorm wrote:
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All. The answer is: all
But you don't believe these.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

Why not?

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Sep 28, 2013
 
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Except Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Actually, the gospels are only attributed to "Mark", "Matthew", and "John".

Luke has been acknowledged as his author, unfortunately, Luke is a third hand source, so it may not be as reliable as the others.

Luke if you read it contextually, is almost verbatim of Mark, as is Matthew, so it is suspicious that is an original story, but just one that was copied.

One could also include that Luke contains many of the GoThomas sayings, so Thomas may also been a source for Luke when he wrote it.

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duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>It is a vision and a prediction of what's to come.
Nope; just an hallucination. Or an outright lie in order to frighten people into submisison, take your pick.

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duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.
Proof that you do not believe in a god; you believe in your buybull. Your "god" is nothing more than paper and ink.

How pathetic is that?
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duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.
sounds like aliens to me.

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Sep 30, 2013
 
duststorm wrote:
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John 9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
then again it could mean that the dude was just narrow minded and refused to see what was in front of him. until another human said something to him that helped him see things in a different way.

or it could have been conversion disorder.

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duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>It is a vision and a prediction of what's to come.
It is proof that the isle of Patmos had a good supply of magic mushrooms.

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duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.
Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:

2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
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6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.

Elisha healed the whole host. GoJohn HAD to claim that Jesus healed someone "born" blind, GoJohn was attempting to create a false Messiah out of an itinerant preacher.

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Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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Nope; just an hallucination. Or an outright lie in order to frighten people into submisison, take your pick.
Or political diatribe against the Caesar in Rome...(Domitian, at that time.)
In the province of Asia imperial cult was promoted with special zeal. Under Domitian, Ephesus received a new imperial temple. Thus it was precisely in the province of Asia, the classical land of the imperial cult, that at the time of Domitian all the prerequisites were present for a severe conflict between Christianity and the state cult, which is what Rev has in view (cf. also I Pet). The seer nowhere points directly to Domitian as the then reigning emperor, and the Antichrist, the "beast" (13:1 ff, etc.), does not bear the features of any specific ruler but rather those of the demonic form of Nero redivivus, which was still a popular expectation in that time. But the temporal scene which Rev sketches fits no epoch of primitive Christianity so well as the time of the persecution under Domitian.
From here:
http://earlychristianwritings.com/revelation....
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Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:
2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
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6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.
Elisha healed the whole host. GoJohn HAD to claim that Jesus healed someone "born" blind, GoJohn was attempting to create a false Messiah out of an itinerant preacher.
Only God has power to give sight, to take it away, and to restore it.
Jesus is God.
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Liam R wrote:
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Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:
2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
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6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.
Elisha healed the whole host.
Where do you get that Elisha healed the whole host? He asked the Lord to open their eyes.
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Liam R wrote:
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Or political diatribe against the Caesar in Rome...(Domitian, at that time.)
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From here:
http://earlychristianwritings.com/revelation....
You posted an opinion that the book of the Revelation dates from the time of Domitian.
The book itself clearly states that it is a prediction of the future.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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Rev. 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

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