Why I’m no longer a Christian

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466873 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>You posted an opinion that the book of the Revelation dates from the time of Domitian.
The book itself clearly states that it is a prediction of the future.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
and
Rev. 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
So? You want to take the word of someone who was stoned on magic mushrooms? Every time anyone wrote an apocalypse, they described it as a prediction of the future. It is a characteristic of the genre. Quite a few have been written over the years, none of them mean anything.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466874 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>They are not the true scriptures. I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time on the rambling, false material.
I'm always going to err on the side of truth.
But the ONLY difference is that what you want to call "true" scripture was voted in by a committee.

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#466875 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Only God has power to give sight, to take it away, and to restore it.
Jesus is God.
Now, there's a simple solution for a simple mind. No thought required.

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#466877 Oct 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
<quoted text>
Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>They are not the true scriptures. I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time on the rambling, false material.
I'm always going to err on the side of truth.
You don't have any truth.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466878 Oct 2, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
But the ONLY difference is that what you want to call "true" scripture was voted in by a committee.
We have to go by what Jesus said, and Jesus said in John 5:39:
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466881 Oct 2, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, there's a simple solution for a simple mind. No thought required.
Don't be fooled by the simplicity of it, and don't be tripped up by the "authoritarian" tone of it.
There is such a thing as irrefutable truth. If something is bedrock truth, we should just meditate upon it, and let it percolate down into the innermost part of our being.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466882 Oct 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?

Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>They are not the true scriptures. I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time on the rambling, false material.
I'm always going to err on the side of truth.
They aren't? Oh snap!! Clearly you know which texts are and which are not, otherwise, you wouldn't have stated this.

Please post the passage(s) that states which texts are "true scriptures" and which are not. You can do this, right?

How 'bout something easier. Please post the statement by "God" which clearly has "God" dictating which texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not.

There - you now have two different angles to show me and correct me to what "God" wants me to believe.

Tell ya what duststorm....if you cannot do this request, please don't hide and run away, but come back and state openly that you can't. In the least it will show you actually attempted to prove your religion to be accurate.

I'll wait.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466884 Oct 2, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text> We have to go by what Jesus said, and Jesus said in John 5:39:
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Yes, Jesus said to search the Tanakh, the only "Bible" that existed when he said that. He would NOT have wanted people using the words of false prophets.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466885 Oct 2, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be fooled by the simplicity of it, and don't be tripped up by the "authoritarian" tone of it.
There is such a thing as irrefutable truth. If something is bedrock truth, we should just meditate upon it, and let it percolate down into the innermost part of our being.
It is irrefutable truth that Jesus was a false god...

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#466886 Oct 2, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Only God has power to give sight, to take it away, and to restore it.
Jesus is God.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch replied:
<quoted text>
Now, there's a simple solution for a simple mind. No thought required.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text> Don't be fooled by the simplicity of it, and don't be tripped up by the "authoritarian" tone of it.
There is such a thing as irrefutable truth.
And you ain’t got it.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text> If something is bedrock truth, we should just meditate upon it, and let it percolate down into the innermost part of our being.
You have no such truth; you have a book of lies. I have *read* that book of lies; that is how I know for an immutable FACT that it is a book of lies.

You want simple solutions for your simple mind; you don’t want to think, you just want to believe, because it’s so much easier. And you want the rest of us to believe as you do so you won’t feel like a lonely fool.
Shaddup

United States

#466887 Oct 2, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be fooled by the simplicity of it, and don't be tripped up by the "authoritarian" tone of it.
There is such a thing as irrefutable truth. If something is bedrock truth, we should just meditate upon it, and let it percolate down into the innermost part of our being.
Evolution!

“Nature--The Only God We Need”

Since: May 13

Christianity :TheGreatest Evil

#466888 Oct 2, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, there's a simple solution for a simple mind. No thought required.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text> Don't be fooled by the simplicity of it, and don't be tripped up by the "authoritarian" tone of it.
There is such a thing as irrefutable truth.
Which you haven't got.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text> If something is bedrock truth, we should just meditate upon it, and let it percolate down into the innermost part of our being.
You don't have any such truth. All you have is a need to believe in your book of lies.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466889 Oct 2, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Jesus said to search the Tanakh, the only "Bible" that existed when he said that. He would NOT have wanted people using the words of false prophets.
True.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466890 Oct 2, 2013
European Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
The (Catholic) bible on loosing faith:
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son...
http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-de...
Dearth...hey, Dear--erth. There's a guy here asking about "loosing" faith. Can you pick up?
duststorm

League City, TX

#466891 Oct 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:
2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
...
6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.
Elisha healed the whole host. GoJohn HAD to claim that Jesus healed someone "born" blind, GoJohn was attempting to create a false Messiah out of an itinerant preacher.
God smote all the men of Sodom with blindness as they attempted to beat on Lot's door and break in and commit abomination with the two male messengers. They were not blind from birth.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466892 Oct 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
<quoted text>
Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
You said Okay to the concept that you are without end.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466893 Oct 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
What? No actual statement by Jesus?
I asked for a specific statement made by Jesus. You can provide this, right?
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466894 Oct 4, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
<quoted text>
They aren't? Oh snap!! Clearly you know which texts are and which are not, otherwise, you wouldn't have stated this.
Please post the passage(s) that states which texts are "true scriptures" and which are not. You can do this, right?
How 'bout something easier. Please post the statement by "God" which clearly has "God" dictating which texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not.
There - you now have two different angles to show me and correct me to what "God" wants me to believe.
Tell ya what duststorm....if you cannot do this request, please don't hide and run away, but come back and state openly that you can't. In the least it will show you actually attempted to prove your religion to be accurate.
I'll wait.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466895 Oct 4, 2013
Two Greek words: Theos-nuestas=inspired=God-bre athed. All scripture is God-breathed.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466896 Oct 4, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course. They were right, IF Jesus ever tried to pretend that he was somehow equal to the God of the Bible, it would have been blasphemy, a sin worthy of stoning.
However, that is not what happened. That was invented later, by the authors who were trying to spread their religion in Rome, so they could not tell the truth and make the Romans look bad. Rather, since the Temple had already been destroyed, making the Jews the scapegoat for the death of Jesus, the authors could suck up to Rome.
The myth of Jesus being "the" Son of God, or even a god himself, was a later addition, not invented until long after Jesus was rotted in his grave.
With this post you have committed the unpardonable sin.

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