Why I’m no longer a Christian

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#466806 Sep 27, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Please show a single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus actually says "I am God."
"Lie for Jesus!" - AssUp
THE BIBLE!

that's all you get.....:)
duststorm

League City, TX

#466807 Sep 27, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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We are ALL Sons of God. Psalm 82 said so.
Try again, Dustbunny.
Coffman's Commentary suggests that these were Jewish leaders, Jewish judges. The occupied the best seats in the synagogue, yet they rejected Christ the Messiah.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#466808 Sep 27, 2013
i'm gonna let brother STOMP have at y'all for awhile until you're ready to be more reasonable....
duststorm

League City, TX

#466809 Sep 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Many - especially those that actually did research on the subject.
Don't be so gullible that all Jewish folks believe texts written by men.
They aren't like the "ex-Christians" who actually did.
New Age, you were never born again, thus you were never a Christian.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466810 Sep 27, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
We are ALL Sons of God. Psalm 82 said so.
Try again, Dustbunny.
I can't say as I blame you for attempting to insinuate yourself into the family of God. If I were bound for that terrible place of outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth, torment, continual flames, sulphur, brimstone, I also would wish upon a star that all men, including myself, could be saved.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466811 Sep 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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That's not what you originally stated.
You are determined to be totally focused on your navel, your Self, and you read in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance that salvation is going to originate and emanate from within yourself. That is false.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466812 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>John 9, Jesus is speaking to the recently blind man who had just been cast out by the Jews:
34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
With Jesus asking this question:

"he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?"

NOTE: this is a question coming from Jesus, and not a proclamation with Jesus stating, "I am God".

You do understand the basic tenets of English, related to questions and statements, right?

BTW - if one is to reflect accurately, that this texts is attributed to some guy named "John" and this is his writing, it would also cause them to understand that it is not Jesus doing the writing, thus it is really only "John" making statements about Jesus.

You do understand textual criticism and the aspects it has upon the Bible, right?

Keep trying.

Eventually you will have to be honest and admit that there isn't any statement by Jesus.

You can be honest, right? We'll see ifyou can.

Well, in the least I will, because I really dislike liars who try to mislead others who are honestly trying to learn about religion.

I will call you out for any misinformation you try to convey.

Be alert.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466813 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Does this help:
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Nope - strike three.

Just so you better understand Jesus, this passage indicates that Jesus is trying to tell all those who are listening to him, that they should believe in his what he states, no matter what.

Since you have only allowed certain men to dictate what you are to believe, you hjave totally misunderstood Jesus.

A good starting point for you to better understand Jesus and what he taught would be to believe in ALL Of what he taught, and not just what men or you want.

Keep trying.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466814 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
John 9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
Maybe you need to understand that cherry picking a passage here and there is NOT what you should be doing.

Jesus' metaphor of healing a blind man, is very similar to when he told the thief, while on the cross, that "Today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).
- Jesus' healing the blind man shows that a through believing in Jesus, allows you to be part of that paradise when the time for death occurs.

Did he actually make "the blind man see" - metaphorically, yes, for the man chose to believe in "God", because of Jesus.

Move past the words and understand their meanings.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466815 Sep 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

The Bible was written by men, and does not contain any passages that states which texts are of "God's inspiration".
You can pull a fast one over the gullible, but you won't with me.
Wanna try again?
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
(oh good grief & why do i bother?) yes, i'll try again:
why do you refuse to receive the biographies/gospels from the hand-picked eye-witnesses of Christ, but intstead only receive the subversive attacks against them written by men hundreds to millenia years after Christ?
Diverting from the question will not get you to the answer you seek.

Your response did not answer my question at all.

Where does "God" specifically state which texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466816 Sep 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Many - especially those that actually did research on the subject.
Don't be so gullible that all Jewish folks believe texts written by men.
They aren't like the "ex-Christians" who actually did.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age, you were never born again, thus you were never a Christian.
Yes I was.

Besides, how would you know if I were or weren't?

Are you psychic? Have you ever met me?

Stop diverting and bullshitting your way through this, it really shows your ignorance of understanding Christianity.

You placing your opinion upon me, is judging me. You aren't supposed to do that, unless "ye be judged".

In essence, I could care less what you say about me, to me, or of me.....as I know you are only making "cries of help" through them, due to your lack of understanding Jesus completely.

Back to Christianity 101 for you.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466817 Sep 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

That's not what you originally stated.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>You are determined to be totally focused on your navel, your Self, and you read in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance that salvation is going to originate and emanate from within yourself. That is false.
Ah yes - I've seen this tactic by so-called "Christians" - let's change the topic to start making insults and admonish another.

You are good at it. You should be ashamed to call yourself "Christian" if you act like this.

What are you afraid of if you were to believe in all of what Jesus taught?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#466818 Sep 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The Bible was written by men, and does not contain any passages that states which texts are of "God's inspiration".
You can pull a fast one over the gullible, but you won't with me.
Wanna try again?
<quoted text>
Diverting from the question will not get you to the answer you seek.
Your response did not answer my question at all.
Where does "God" specifically state which texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not?
brother Stomp, can you please field this question for me and give this guy the kind of answer he deserves?

thank you!:-)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466819 Sep 27, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
brother Stomp, can you please field this question for me and give this guy the kind of answer he deserves?
thank you!:-)
Diversion.

What are you afraid of with answering it truthfully?

Or is it that you need to be dishonest and avoid answering it with truth altogether?

*sighs*

I understand your dismay. There isn't any statement by "God", but plenty by men.

Sad that humans have to believe men over "God", huh? And you being one of them, you just can't fathom being truthful about it, because it causes your belief to fail you.

Bummer for you.

Psst - the dismay won't last long, as long as you don't let it.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466820 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
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I understood that you were portraying yourself as a Jew. Is that not correct?
That is not correct. I have never claimed to be Jewish.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466821 Sep 27, 2013
Gut Stomper wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet their calendar says its the 23rd of Tishrei, 5774. And they claim they have been counting since creation. Go figger.
Not surprising, since belief in the myth greatly predates understanding of reality.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466822 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>John 9, Jesus is speaking to the recently blind man who had just been cast out by the Jews:
34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Once again, Jesus did NOT say that he was a god in that passage. What "John" wrote was a claim to be a Son of God. Big woop. Any and every observant male Jew is a Son of God.

The author of the gospel called John was the last of the gospel writers, and he wrote more than 60 years after Jesus died, possibly as late as a century after the "fact". There are numerous errors in the text. As such, it was not written by anyone who actually knew Jesus, nor had he been a Jew before writing it.

GoJohn was written as a religious tractate, NOT a historical record of events.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466823 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
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John 9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
More to the point, there is no evidence that such an event ever actually took place.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466824 Sep 27, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
(oh good grief & why do i bother?) yes, i'll try again:
why do you refuse to receive the biographies/gospels from the hand-picked eye-witnesses of Christ, but intstead only receive the subversive attacks against them written by men hundreds to millenia years after Christ?
None of the gospels were written by eye witnesses.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466825 Sep 27, 2013
duststorm wrote:
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John 9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw...

The author of GoJohn lied.

As I understand it, there is NOT ONE miracle attributed to Jesus that had not been previously ascribed to one of the prophets in the Old Testament.

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